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03-18-2011, 06:50 PM
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Eller/Desharnais

Simple question, if we ever got rid of Gomez(say in the summer), would you be confident giving Eller and Desharnais the 2nd and 3rd line roles or would you feel by even next year they aren't ready?

It's hypothetical and has really nothing to do with Gomez, just how you perceive the two players.

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03-18-2011, 07:03 PM
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Maybe Eller is ready, Desharnais really isnt.

But I dont think Eller will be ready for full time top6 opposition next year.

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Yes anything to get rid of that 7 mill + cap hit

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I think it depends on the quality of wingers we can provide them. Gomez gone means 7.4M of free cap space; if Pierre Gauthier can provide big, scoring wingers to both of them, I would be confident. However, if he asks them to play with Moen or White, I don't think they will have the ability to provide enough offensive output.

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If we could get rid of gomez I would be happy with Gill at centre.

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Simple question, if we ever got rid of Gomez(say in the summer), would you be confident giving Eller and Desharnais the 2nd and 3rd line roles or would you feel by even next year they aren't ready?

It's hypothetical and has really nothing to do with Gomez, just how you perceive the two players.
I think both DD and Eller could get 40 pts next year. Maybe more. DD is impressing me offensively but still needs to improve his defensive game. Eller's whole game impresses. Habs would be stronger tho if they could find a replacement for Gomez and come back with Eller as the 3rd line centre and DD as the 4th line, PP specialist. DD could do for us on the 4th line what Streit did when we finished first in the East. Give us talent and a threat on the 4th line.

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I really like what I've seen from DD. I think he's a constant threat and he's so strong on the puck. Brilliant passer. Would be pretty frustrated if he wasn't on the team next year, at the very least on the fourth line.

Can he be counted on for the 2nd line role? Not yet, but perhaps in the future. I feel he's improved a lot in his time here, and has responded fairly well to added responsibility.

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03-18-2011, 09:13 PM
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Eller needs to fix this stupid habit of taking dumb penalties and he could be effective.

As we speak, Desharnais>Eller, but who knows next year?

That being said, I'd be confident with both of them if that means I don't have to see Gomez ever again in a Habs uniform.

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absolutely have no problem going into next season with Eller penciled in as the #2 centre behind Pleks.

i'm anticipating that he'll have a great offseason and come into next year that much stronger and capable of translating his obvious skill/hockey sense to more consistent production.

as for DD, given that Eller is a rookie, and that the 4th line spot will likely/hopefully go to White, I think I'd rather see a solid defensively-minded/faceoff winning 3rd line centre behind Eller/Pleks.

I would be ok with Pleks-Eller-DD-White, though I'd prefer Halpern (or an upgrade on him) in that spot.


unfortunately, the odds of being able to move Gomez are slim to none...

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Eller needs to fix this stupid habit of taking dumb penalties and he could be effective.

As we speak, Desharnais>Eller, but who knows next year?
Totally agreed !
I find that Eller has taken too much stupid penalties.
And yes, at time being Desharnais seems a bit better than Eller.

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If we could spend the extra money to upgrade our wingers I'd feel comfortable with those 2 as our second and third line centers as long as we get a veteran like Halpern or someone similar to center the fourth line and fill in on the third once in a while.

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Eller - Gionta
Gagne/Laich - Desharnais - Pouliot
Moen - X - White

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If we could spend the extra money to upgrade our wingers I'd feel comfortable with those 2 as our second and third line centers as long as we get a veteran like Halpern or someone similar to center the fourth line and fill in on the third once in a while.

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Eller - Gionta
Gagne/Laich - Desharnais - Pouliot
Moen - X - White
I really like that line up! but I'd switch kostitsyn with Gionta IMO

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If we could spend the extra money to upgrade our wingers I'd feel comfortable with those 2 as our second and third line centers as long as we get a veteran like Halpern or someone similar to center the fourth line and fill in on the third once in a while.

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Eller - Gionta
Gagne/Laich - Desharnais - Pouliot
Moen - X - White
I'd consider Maxime Talbot for "X".

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If it means we keep Markov and Hamrlik and Wiz, I'll all for it. But if there's a way, I'd rather Eller have his possible sophmore slump with Gomez around.

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Do I think they're ready for the role? Not completely. But neither is Gomez, so yes.

Trade or send Gomez down.

Sign a big winger (Laich is my #1 choice, or even Higgins) to play with DD & Pouliot. 4th line of White, Darche, Moen, & Pyatt.

Re-sign Hamrlik & Wiz. Trade Spacek.

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Right now neither one can provide what Gomez brings despite his warts. DD will never be a 2nd line center, Eller maybe if he continues to improve.

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Neither are even close to being ready, which is why we're keeping Gomez.

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They might not be ready but Gomez looks done. Just awful this year.

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Eller needs to fix this stupid habit of taking dumb penalties and he could be effective.

As we speak, Desharnais>Eller, but who knows next year?

That being said, I'd be confident with both of them if that means I don't have to see Gomez ever again in a Habs uniform.
Euuuh, no.

Personally, I'd have no problem with Eller as the 2nd center. I don't know just how well he, or DD, would faire off versus better opposition, game in and game out, but it's a risk I'm willing to take.
The defensive game of Eller has improved by leaps since the beginning of the season, and I'm very glad we got this kid. With added muscles next season, I believe he can have a great season.
I'm not one to knock on Gomez, I believe he's having a bad year, just like Cammy is having a bad one as well, and do feel he'll go back to his regular 55-60pts ways next year. But I'd have no issues with living or dying with our younger guys next year and with the added space, get some bigger wingers.

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Blues fan here, what do you guys think about Eller. I was bummed to see him traded in the offseason. I understand you have to give to get(Halak), still he was an exciting prospect. Watched him at a Blues prospect camp with a surgically repaired shoulder that was about 70% healed and matched him do a 360 and bury a one timer off the top bar at full speed and was absolutely floored by his speed and skill!

Anyway, hows he been thus far. Has he been playing as a two way center as he was billed coming up through our system? I felt his ceiling is a good 2nd line center and a great 3rd liner on a deep team. Do you feel that is still his ceiling or has he shown that he could be better. Any info would be appreciated!

Get well max!


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I really like what I've seen from DD. I think he's a constant threat and he's so strong on the puck. Brilliant passer. Would be pretty frustrated if he wasn't on the team next year, at the very least on the fourth line.

Can he be counted on for the 2nd line role? Not yet, but perhaps in the future. I feel he's improved a lot in his time here, and has responded fairly well to added responsibility.
Martin doesn't trust him yet--and unfortunately Desharnais doesn't really get any opportunities to prove he can handle top 6 forwards and top pairing d-men. Personally i think they should switch Gomez and Desharnais in the lineup right now, but it always seems like Martin is afraid to rock the boat with a veteran so it will probably never happen. I feel like it's going to take a clear mistake by Gomez, where he literally turns the puck over blatantly that results in a goal, that that change might happen.

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Blues fan here, what do you guys think about Eller. I was bummed to see him traded in the offseason. I understand you have to give to get(Halak), still he was an exciting prospect. Watched him at a Blues prospect camp with a surgically repaired shoulder that was about 70% healed and matched him do a 360 and bury a one timer off the top bar at full speed and was absolutely floored by his speed and skill!

Anyway, hows he been thus far. Has he been playing as a two way center as he was billed coming up through our system? I felt his ceiling is a good 2nd line center and a great 3rd liner on a deep team. Do you feel that is still his ceiling or has he shown that he could be better. Any info would be appreciated!

Get well max!
Hes come along nicely since being given an offensive threat on the wing. He was struggling in the first half only getting 5-8 minutes a game but now hes been given more ice time. Hes showing flashes of pure brilliance. You can see he is pretty confident now. His give and go game needs a bit more work and he needs to learn to finish some times. Once he fills out more a lot of people thinks he can be a poor mans mikko koivu. I see him as a very good 2nd line center once he gets his passing game down.


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Blues fan here, what do you guys think about Eller. I was bummed to see him traded in the offseason. I understand you have to give to get(Halak), still he was an exciting prospect. Watched him at a Blues prospect camp with a surgically repaired shoulder that was about 70% healed and matched him do a 360 and bury a one timer off the top bar at full speed and was absolutely floored by his speed and skill!

Anyway, hows he been thus far. Has he been playing as a two way center as he was billed coming up through our system? I felt his ceiling is a good 2nd line center and a great 3rd liner on a deep team. Do you feel that is still his ceiling or has he shown that he could be better. Any info would be appreciated!

Get well max!
I'm drinking the Kool-Aid and dreaming of him and Patches both posting an 80 point season next year as linemates. I think he's going to be a legit 1st liner in due time.


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