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03-23-2011, 01:11 PM
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Move/drop Gomez...

Glencross-Plekanec-Cammalleri
Pacioretty-Eller-Gionta
Pouliot-Desharnais-Kostitsyn
Moen-Konopka-White

Gill-Subban
Markov-Gorges
Vandermeer-Wizniewski

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03-23-2011, 01:20 PM
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You don't give 10 years to a guy like Wiz. Are you nuts?
I'd rather risk 4 mil on him then 6 mil over 6 years, which is what he'll want.

4 mil over 10 at worst you buy him out and it's not so bad on the cap. 5.5-6 mil over 6 (which is likely what he'll be gunning for) could be even more disastrous for us imo. Heck just look at how Markov turned out, and aside from some fluke injuries the guy is a guaranteed thing.

I see Wiz being quite useful for at least 7 of those years either way. I think it's worth it to keep him the final 3 years when he's "meh" to get him for so cheap for what he puts up those other years.

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03-23-2011, 01:41 PM
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He'll barely get 4M on the open market and you want to give him 4M for 10 years!? He's not going to get 6M a year based on maybe 1.5 good years. He's still not great defensively. He's not a first pairing guy. He's second pairing. Those guys don't get 6M a year so you're worrying about nothing IMO.

This isn't a player that you give 10 years to so you don't overpay. You just don't overpay, period and that's it.

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03-23-2011, 02:17 PM
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He'll barely get 4M on the open market and you want to give him 4M for 10 years!? He's not going to get 6M a year based on maybe 1.5 good years. He's still not great defensively. He's not a first pairing guy. He's second pairing. Those guys don't get 6M a year so you're worrying about nothing IMO.

This isn't a player that you give 10 years to so you don't overpay. You just don't overpay, period and that's it.
Oh yes he will! I think he will get 5 easily on the market.

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03-23-2011, 02:24 PM
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Just curious if all things aside, if Wiz was willing to sign at a discount but a 10 year deal. Would people here be willing to take the risk? Remember if he's on long term injury we don't have him counting against the cap anyways. Something front loaded and maybe 4 million per when the dust settles?

Options hypothetically being:

1) Sign Wiz 10 years 4 mil per
2) Sign Wiz 4-6 years 5.5-6 mil per
3) Let Wiz walk

Reason I ask is that if we do this we might as well showcase Weber early next season and package him together maybe with a struggling player in our top 9 (Pouliot?) and a pick or two in order to land a top 6 player. (Not a shabby top 6 obviously, a pretty good one)
I'd sign Subban for 10 years but not Wisniewski. I think the longest you go for a player like that is 4-5 years and if you go 5 the cap hit drops by 0.5 mil(20 mil for 4 years vs 22.5 for 5 years).

As much as Wisniewski is making good contributions this year, he is a player that you don't go after at all costs. If Markov comes back healthy and Subban/Weber continue to progress then you have 5 mil invested in Wiz when you could better use it on a forward(Laich, Jokinen?).

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03-23-2011, 02:26 PM
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Move/drop Gomez...

Glencross-Plekanec-Cammalleri
Pacioretty-Eller-Gionta
Pouliot-Desharnais-Kostitsyn
Moen-Konopka-White

Gill-Subban
Markov-Gorges
Vandermeer-Wizniewski

Price
Auld
If all you are going after is Glencross Konopka and Vandermeer there is no reason to do anything with Gomez. That roster would be a 45-48 mil cap hit without Gomez. Glencross is a nice 3rd liner but not a top 6 guy on a playoff team IMHO.

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03-23-2011, 02:56 PM
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If all you are going after is Glencross Konopka and Vandermeer there is no reason to do anything with Gomez. That roster would be a 45-48 mil cap hit without Gomez. Glencross is a nice 3rd liner but not a top 6 guy on a playoff team IMHO.
Don't want Gomez on the team and Eller has to play on the top 2 lines.

If Glencross can get 20 with Calgary he can certainly play with two guys who are playing with Halpern currently.

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03-23-2011, 08:24 PM
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my first pick up on July 1 at 12:01 AM

Anton Babchuk

huge ...a UFA ...and Calgary will probably let him walk

a solid second pair dman and he probably will come at reasonable money

I think he can be a solid addition only 26


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03-23-2011, 08:28 PM
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Anton Babchuk

huge ...a UFA ...and Calgary will probably let him walk

a solid second pair dman and he probably wont will come at reasonable money

I think he can be a solid addition and and only 26
Will he or won't he? I think he won't. The KHL will likely offer him something nice. Maybe not Omsk, but another team.

If we do pick him up, then Hamrlik and Gill would go. Not sure...

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03-23-2011, 08:33 PM
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Let's get realistic. Eller's career potential as a #1 centre is very debatable and your saying he's one as soon as next season?
if you give him Plek`s minutes and with proper linemates I bet he outscores Pleks

not the cup of coffee he gets now

funny how good or bad Pleks..Cammy or Gionta play they could do no wrong and get the ice time and PP ..

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03-23-2011, 09:49 PM
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He'll barely get 4M on the open market and you want to give him 4M for 10 years!? He's not going to get 6M a year based on maybe 1.5 good years. He's still not great defensively. He's not a first pairing guy. He's second pairing. Those guys don't get 6M a year so you're worrying about nothing IMO.

This isn't a player that you give 10 years to so you don't overpay. You just don't overpay, period and that's it.
Seabrook just received almost six million and while he is the better player, Wiz i having the best season of his career by far. There absolutely no doubt on the open market he will fetch five million. and up.

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if you give him Plek`s minutes and with proper linemates I bet he outscores Pleks

not the cup of coffee he gets now

funny how good or bad Pleks..Cammy or Gionta play they could do no wrong and get the ice time and PP ..
I would take that bet and run. You are basically claiming Eller in a single season is similar to Kesler, Richards (Philly), Carter and other players of such caliber. That is a ridiculous and unrealistic conclusion. The kid is coming along and may be a 70-80 player but if he is our first line center next season. We are not contending for much of anything. He is just not there yet.

Our number one necessity is to rid ourselves of Gomez and acquire a legitimate scoring winger, preferably a physical one. What I would not give to have Ryan Clowe, although we may be able to lure Setoguchi out from San Jose. He has been streaky as of late but has the ideal size and plays a hell of a game even when not scoring.

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03-23-2011, 10:35 PM
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Anton Babchuk

huge ...a UFA ...and Calgary will probably let him walk

a solid second pair dman and he probably will come at reasonable money

I think he can be a solid addition only 26
How about top 10 scoring defenseman Christian Ehrhoff? I think the Canucks will let him go too.

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03-23-2011, 11:27 PM
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Something like:

XXXX-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cammalleri* ( * = just because I have no choice )
Moen-Eller-Kostitsyn
Darche-XXXX-White

Markov-Gorges
Subban-Gill
Hamrlik-Spacek

Price
XXXX

Would be a pretty good line-up on defense at least and 3 good lines depending who the XXXX are.

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03-24-2011, 01:29 AM
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Just curious if all things aside, if Wiz was willing to sign at a discount but a 10 year deal. Would people here be willing to take the risk? Remember if he's on long term injury we don't have him counting against the cap anyways. Something front loaded and maybe 4 million per when the dust settles?

Options hypothetically being:

1) Sign Wiz 10 years 4 mil per
2) Sign Wiz 4-6 years 5.5-6 mil per
3) Let Wiz walk

Reason I ask is that if we do this we might as well showcase Weber early next season and package him together maybe with a struggling player in our top 9 (Pouliot?) and a pick or two in order to land a top 6 player. (Not a shabby top 6 obviously, a pretty good one)
If those were the only options, then WITHOUT A DOUBT i'd pick option 3.

No way I'd want the habs to give a player like Wiz a 10 year contract... even @ 3M/per.

Right now, his offensive contributions are what make him useful, if that were to dry up, he immediately becomes an average bottom pairing dman. The risk is way too big, all it would take is a serious injury that he comes back from, but that limits his shooting/skating ability.

but I don't think there is any realistic chance the habs (or any team) would consider doing option 1...

Option 2 is what I am afraid of. A multi-year deal in the 5M$+ range (imo, even 4.5M$+ multi-year is too much).

He's just too inconsistent defensively to be worth that imo.

So yeah, if those are the three options, than thanks but no thanks.

Babchuk, as someone else mentioned, would be a cheaper and more suitable option in that case.

and if we are going to spend that much, I'd rather target a guy like Pitkannen or even Erhoff, both of which provide similar offensive assets while being far more effective defensively.

I think if Wiz is out for top "market" value, then we have no reason to sign him... I only want him back if he wants to be part of this franchise bad enough to take a little bit less than the UFA market will pay him, but I certainly understand if he doesn't.

I HOPE PG sees it the same way.

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03-24-2011, 02:05 AM
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I'd unload Gomez if there were takers but I also wouldn't be surprised if he bounced back if paired up with Patches and Gio.

Take what you saw tonight and imagine injecting Markov, Gorges, Pleka, Patches in it. Solid.
Pac-Gomez-Gio-Markov is gonna be a killer line next season.

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seriously I wouldnt bring back anyone else on D ...Markov is broken....
Tell that to Justin Williams. He seems to think Markov will do just fine. He had the exact same injury and operation (not the same operation Markov previously had), and look how he is doing now. Who knows better about that injury/surgery, you or Williams who actually went through it?

Seriously, he's one of the best dmen in the league, you just don't let him walk away on the whim of your pseudo-knowledge of Markov's state as a hockey player. You give him a try, he goes on LTIR again, you have cap space, insurance takes care of the rest. It's a low risk high reward signing, the oldest present Habs member. IMO, it would be foolish not to do it, especially with so many Dmen going away who you'll already have to replace because of the age factor.

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Anton Babchuk

huge ...a UFA ...and Calgary will probably let him walk

a solid second pair dman and he probably will come at reasonable money

I think he can be a solid addition only 26
Not a bad player with a great shot, but I'd offer Wiz a contract first, if he doesn't wanna stay here than maybe go after Babchuk

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03-24-2011, 08:31 AM
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I'd sign Subban for 10 years but not Wisniewski. I think the longest you go for a player like that is 4-5 years and if you go 5 the cap hit drops by 0.5 mil(20 mil for 4 years vs 22.5 for 5 years).

As much as Wisniewski is making good contributions this year, he is a player that you don't go after at all costs. If Markov comes back healthy and Subban/Weber continue to progress then you have 5 mil invested in Wiz when you could better use it on a forward(Laich, Jokinen?).
Fair enough. As per Subban though I highly doubt he signs a contract until he's practically UFA.

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Anton Babchuk

huge ...a UFA ...and Calgary will probably let him walk

a solid second pair dman and he probably will come at reasonable money

I think he can be a solid addition only 26
Babchuk is not a top 4 defenseman, he's a #5-6 and PP specialist...bigger version of MAB who is a bit better defensively.

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Was playing NHL 11 and this lineup was absolute dynamite:

Cammalleri-Plekanec-Pacioretty
Kostitsyn-Eller-Gionta
Pouliot-Gomez-Moen
Darche-White-Crombeen

Markov-Subban
Gorges-Wisniewski
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