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03-20-2011, 03:18 PM
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Callahan is a top of the line second liner

I know everyone wants to claim that Callahan is just a very good third liner because he doesn't have the creativity of Wolski, but neither did Adam Graves, and he was a first liner for most of his career.

Much like a pitcher is not judged purely on his "stuff", neither can a hockey player be judged just on creativity.

Cally is a very technically sound player, a coach's dream. He goes out and does the right thing, then sits down and waits for the next shift.

The kid scored 41 goals in the previous two seasons, and this year he's on pace for over 35 goals and over 70 points. That's a hell of a lot for a third liner!

The average player who plays on the first line does not get 70+ points. And hardly any of them have the defense and the intangibles that Callahan has.

A guy does not score as much as Callahan does while doing all the other things right and remain just a "great third liner."

He's a great second liner. And if he can keep up this 30+ goal/70+ point pace in future seasons, then he's a first liner.

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I've been hard on Cally this year, Dubi too as they miss alot of easy chances.. but 46 pts in 53 games is very solid.

Really thinkin positive on how much better we can be next season

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Callahan is my hero seriously one of the best players I've had the privilege to watch

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rangers better hope they can sign dubi and cally before arbitration

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Callahan has been our second best player behind Hank this year.

You hope next year Gabby is better than him, but you can't have a problem with a third liner becoming a legitimately great second liner, especially when that guy is a guy like Cally, who's the consummate hockey player, great guy, and the man most of us want to wear the C.

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I said it yesterday. I'll say it again today.

Ryan Callahan is a first line Right Wing.

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Callahan has been our second best player behind Hank this year.

You hope next year Gabby is better than him, but you can't have a problem with a third liner becoming a legitimately great second liner, especially when that guy is a guy like Cally, who's the consummate hockey player, great guy, and the man most of us want to wear the C.
Ryan Callahan = Mike Richards

Same build, same two-way game. Callahan might not have the same skills Richards has with the puck, but numbers do not lie.

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He could've gotten 65-70 points this year without injury. Them's are borderline 1st line numbers.

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Ryan Callahan = Mike Richards

Same build, same two-way game. Callahan might not have the same skills Richards has with the puck, but numbers do not lie.
I can see that comparison sorta. I don't want to say Callahan is a first liner just yet, but if he can play the way he's been playing this year for an entire 82 games next year he sure as hell might be.

Shades of Adam Graves, for sure.

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thank god both him and dubi got injured. those kinds of numbers would be 5m+ in contract negotiations

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Callahan has gone through an amazing transformation. What once was a very good 3rd liner has turned into a very good 2nd liner/solid 1st line potential player. His skating has improved-- as has his shot. But, by far it's his will that will always separate him from the others. It's that relentless will & heart he shows game in and out. He's easily the 2nd coming of Graves for us.

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What does 46 points in 53 games extrapolate out to?

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What does 46 points in 53 games extrapolate out to?
71 points

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71 points
That's awesome.

If he could actually get to that number, we've got two legitimate star RW's on our hand.

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71 points
That's just ****ing nuts.

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Mark my words 13'-14' is our season Our ENTIRE core is progressing rapidly and I feel by then we will at the very least be standing very firmly on home ice.

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What does 46 points in 53 games extrapolate out to?
Here's the formula for point projections:

Divide the total number of points by the total number of games played and multiply by 82.... However, if you want to calculate what a player is projected to finish with accounting for time missed, you would then multiply by the total # of games that could be played given the injuries....

Callahan projected to finish the season with 53 points despite missing 20 games.... Impressive! Mid-way through the season I was guessing Dubinsky would be getting the bigger contract this summer but now I'm not so sure.

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What does 46 points in 53 games extrapolate out to?
See... you use the word extrapolate but can't do basic math. Priceless

It is so hard to dislike this team with all of its homegrown talent, young American kids, and goaltender. Especially when we're on a 4 game winning streak here.

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there is always a problem with projecting points in that you never know if a player would be that consistent over the whole season...more games means more chances to have slumps.

That said, I'll admit I didn't think Callahan was a truly legit 2nd line player, but he's proving me wrong and becoming my favorite Rangers player. You'll be hard pressed to find a guy in the league who works harder and has the skill to get rewarded for it.

Hopefully Sather can lock him and Dubinsky up long term

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See... you use the word extrapolate but can't do basic math. Priceless

It is so hard to dislike this team with all of its homegrown talent, young American kids, and goaltender. Especially when we're on a 4 game winning streak here.
English class always > math class for me.

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See... you use the word extrapolate but can't do basic math. Priceless

It is so hard to dislike this team with all of its homegrown talent, young American kids, and goaltender. Especially when we're on a 4 game winning streak here.
I'm very curious to see how many Rangers are chosen to represent the US next Olympics.

I imagine Cally again, and I definitely can see Dubinsky, and maybe McDonagh and Stepan too.

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I'm very curious to see how many Rangers are chosen to represent the US next Olympics.

I imagine Cally again, and I definitely can see Dubinsky, and maybe McDonagh and Stepan too.
For our sake, I hope Kreider makes it too

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For what he adds in defense and checking, as well as being a 70+ point player, and the spark of our offense, Callahan is imo a first liner no question. Not everyone goes out and gets 110 points anymore. This day and age, 70 points is first line on alot of teams.

Here's the actual numbers;

46 points / 53 games = 0.867924528 points per game

0.867924528 PPG X 82 games = 71.1698113 Points in an 82 game season.

What's .1698113 points anyway, a stickhandle?

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He could've gotten 65-70 points this year without injury. Them's are borderline 1st line numbers.
I agree. 65-70 points is a first line NHL player in this era. Callahan is a real good
hockey player that could play on a first line.

However, the way Callahan plays we have to expect injuries will just happen so
these stats projections for 82 games may never happen.

He is not the biggest guy in the NHL and his all out play has to wear on him.

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