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06-22-2011, 03:14 PM
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McKeen's Top 30 List: http://mckeenshockey.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1233065

Woodlief's mock draft: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...hl-draft_n.htm

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7. Winnipeg — Ryan Strome. They will be looking to make a splash, and would like to add some flash-'n-dash to the lineup. Strome may be the most likely of the top prospects to bust, but he's also got a really high impact skill level that could energize the new fan base.
BTW, Couturirer drops to #10. Not sure about that.

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Why is Strome most likely to bust compared to the others?

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Why is Strome most likely to bust compared to the others?
I personally don't think he is. In my opinion, in no specific order, Couturier could bust or be a bit of a disappointment, Larsson could bust/disappoint, Huberdeau could bust/disappoint, Zibanejad could bust/disappoint, and so on.

I really don't see any of these guys as a slam dunk, per say. The one guy I do like, however, is Gabriel Landeskog, I think this kids gunna be a real good player. If I had the no. 1 pick, he'd be my guy, even over Nugent-Hopkins. In 3-5 years, i'm looking forward to looking back and seeing how things played out with this draft class.

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Why is Strome most likely to bust compared to the others?
He's much more of an offensive-role only player. Couturier already has a sound grasp of defensive hockey, so too Landeskog and Zibanejad. They could fit in checking line roles if for some reason their offense doesn't develop (unlikely, but still). Huberdeau and RNH seem to be getting the benefit of their offensive projections being far more slam-dunk than Strome's. That said, Strome's such a dynamic skater and can make plays at top speed... he's a blast to watch (Niagara is the closest OHL team for me at 40-odd minutes depending on the border traffic so I've seen him a few times live). If he can translate that full to the NHL, he's going to give teams fits with that explosiveness and a good head for the game. But if he doesn't, where does he fit down the line? Thus the questions about bust-potential.

Personally, Murphy is the guy who I'd be most worried about in the top 10. Great offensive mind and physical tools but at that size... it's a little scary.

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Explosive skater.. good hands.. good hockey IQ.. playmaker/shooter hybrid.

Yeah, I'd pick Strome. Defensive hockey can be taught.

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06-22-2011, 04:02 PM
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I personally don't think he is. In my opinion, in no specific order, Couturier could bust or be a bit of a disappointment, Larsson could bust/disappoint, Huberdeau could bust/disappoint, Zibanejad could bust/disappoint, and so on.

I really don't see any of these guys as a slam dunk, per say. The one guy I do like, however, is Gabriel Landeskog, I think this kids gunna be a real good player. If I had the no. 1 pick, he'd be my guy, even over Nugent-Hopkins. In 3-5 years, i'm looking forward to looking back and seeing how things played out with this draft class.
I'd LOVE to get Landeskog.

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06-22-2011, 04:11 PM
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Here's the NHL's mock drafts. I know they're not the best example of mock drafts....


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=566096

3 of the 4 of their mocks have Couturier sliding.

Morreale
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=69703

Kimelman
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=69704

Hoffner
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=69706

Persaud
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=69707


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Here's the NHL's mock drafts

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=566096

3 of the 4 of their mocks have Couturier sliding.
I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about but I feel like Deven Persaud is WAY off, suggesting that we'd reach to pick a player at a spot that is currently the deepest on our roster.

Interesting how 3 of 4 mocks have us passing on Couturier.

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I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about but I feel like Deven Persaud is WAY off, suggesting that we'd reach to pick a player at a spot that is currently the deepest on our roster.

Interesting how 3 of 4 mocks have us passing on Couturier.
Their mocks are usually terrible. I just thought I'd post them anyways

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Lmao@ taking Siemens...

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Explosive skater.. good hands.. good hockey IQ.. playmaker/shooter hybrid.

Yeah, I'd pick Strome. Defensive hockey can be taught.
I think Strome is OUR GUY!!!!!! You're right, defensive hockey can be taught. Maturity will play a large role in his effectiveness at the NHL level.

I would like to see him play a minimum of 1 more year in the OHL and then even a full season or 2 in the AHL. I would like to see him explode when he makes the NHL rather than have the kid struggle to learn the pro game on the fly.

His potential reminds me a lot of this year's big free agency prize ... Brad Richards. I'll take that at # 7 any day of the week.

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06-23-2011, 09:28 AM
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Interesting article from the Winnipeg Sun regarding the draft and potential moves, daily conversations with other GM's, etc.

I don't see this as any indication of anything, just typical, run of the mill motions that happen this time of year, but one quote from Cheveldayoff really got me... hoping and wishing.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2011/06/2...ping-ears-open

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Is it conceivable Winnipeg could find a way to move up the draft board?

“Some of the teams we’ve talked to certainly are above us,” said Cheveldayoff. “Do we have the opportunity, do we have the want to do that? We’ll see. You have to be somewhat fluid on how you want to approach these things.

“If my staff says to me, ‘we have to get this guy’ then we’re going to make every effort we possibly can to get him.”
Boy oh boy would I love nothing more than to move up and grab Gabriel Landeskog.

I said yesterday, if I had the no. 1 overall pick, Gabriel Landeskog would be my guy, no questions asked. I know we've got Ladd and Kane at LW, perhaps Landeskog could shift to the RW slot even being a left handed shot. I think these things can be worked around, especially with a player of Landeskog's ilk. We've heard our model here stems around character, and Landeskog is deemed a future captain by all indications.


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Just watched TSN profile Ryan Strome, further cementing to me how happy I would be if we drafted him.

Strome or Couturier, and i'd be exceptionally pleased.

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06-23-2011, 06:52 PM
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If at 7, Hamilton and Strome are both available, maybe a trade could be worked out with Philly for them to take Hamilton? 7 for 8 & 68?

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The TSN panel has us taking Zibanejad (which makes me happy). They're saying we're probably not going to get a crack at Couturier or Strome.

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Pierre McGuire and Craig Button just listed how they thought the first 10 or so picks would go, and here's what they believe will be the order. I'd say its a pretty good guess.


1. Edmonton - Nugent-Hopkins
2. Colorado - Huberdeau
3. Florida - Landeskog
4. NJ - Larsson
5. NYI - Strome
6. Ottawa - Couturier
7. Winnipeg - Zibanejad

Button says we won't get a shot at Couturier or Strome. Guess we'll see.

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My top-7:

EDM - RNH
COL - Larsson
FLA - Huberdeau
NJ - Landeskog
NYI - Hamilton
OTT - Strome

IMO, we'll have a choice between Couturier and Zibenjad.

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Pierre McGuire and Craig Button just listed how they thought the first 10 or so picks would go, and here's what they believe will be the order. I'd say its a pretty good guess.


1. Edmonton - Nugent-Hopkins
2. Colorado - Huberdeau
3. Florida - Landeskog
4. NJ - Larsson
5. NYI - Strome
6. Ottawa - Couturier
7. Winnipeg - Zibanejad

Button says we won't get a shot at Couturier or Strome. Guess we'll see.
I'd take Armia before Zibanejad.

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I'd take Armia before Zibanejad.
I'm the opposite, i'd rather Zibanejad. Tomorrow is going to be exciting!

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I'd take Armia before Zibanejad.
Coming from a guy who has a mancursh on Armia, Zibenjad is the better choice. It's basically give or take a few points when comparing upside, but Zibenjad blows Armia out of the water in terms of strength, physicality, and defensive hockey.

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Coming from a guy who has a mancursh on Armia, Zibenjad is the better choice. It's basically give or take a few points when comparing upside, but Zibenjad blows Armia out of the water in terms of strength, physicality, and defensive hockey.
I just see Zibanejad having less upside. Armia has the potential to be something like Alex Semin (but he's Finish so he can't be a pansy like Semin).

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I agree with Armia's upside -- in fact, I thought of him immediately when I've watched Armia.

He's definitely a project, though. He has the physical strength of a 4 year old. Zibenjad is much more physically developed than Armia, and is much more in the "safe mold". Worst comes to worst, he's a 3rd line center in the Mike Fisher mold. Best case scenario, Mike Richards. The similarities he has with those two players are uncanny. It's a question of whether he reaches the offensive upside of Mike Richards, though.

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I agree with Armia's upside -- in fact, I thought of him immediately when I've watched Armia.

He's definitely a project, though. He has the physical strength of a 4 year old. Zibenjad is much more physically developed than Armia, and is much more in the "safe mold". Worst comes to worst, he's a 3rd line center in the Mike Fisher mold. Best case scenario, Mike Richards. The similarities he has with those two players are uncanny. It's a question of whether he reaches the offensive upside of Mike Richards, though.
I agree with you. It's all preference really, I never like taking the safe pick. I'm hoping for Couturier or Strome tomorrow though.

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I would consider Couturier a "safe" pick. His downside is probably that of a current David Legwand, but not as good of a skater.

Strome is a boom-or-bust. Either an AHLer, or a slightly more skilled Tyler Ennis.

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