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04-16-2011, 03:48 PM
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Tallon has been stacking up on draft picks the last couple years. 1st + Prospect for Weiss?
I want Dudley to trade up with Florida so that Atlanta can draft Landeskog.
Unfortunately it will probably take Bogosian to do it.
Something like:
To ATL: Pick 3, Kulikov
To FLA: Pick 7, Bogosian

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04-16-2011, 05:18 PM
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how can anything short of myself playing defense be any worse than any year of Thrasher defense? We suck every year! maybe a couple of rookies with some nuts in the corners would be a good thing.
Fair enough point. Can't get much worse then last year really.

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04-16-2011, 07:03 PM
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Only 2 of our 6 top defensemen are drafted by us. I don't think that is that big of a number seeing as how high we have always drafted. Enstrom was an absolutely steal late and bogo has been quite the dissappointment imo, I don't trust our luck with d-men.

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Only 2 of our 6 top defensemen are drafted by us. I don't think that is that big of a number seeing as how high we have always drafted.
It's not that small of a number either. Probably right about average.

A few years ago, Jeff Schultz wrote a withering article in the AJC about Don Waddell's incompetence in building a team. His pivotal piece of evidence? We only had two defensemen on our roster that had been drafted by the team. The problem? Anaheim, the team that had just won the Cup, had zero on theirs.

Arbitrary targets like 'number of drafted defensemen on the roster' are pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

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04-20-2011, 12:22 PM
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We are definitely getting a RW. Dudley seems pretty content with the Ladd-Little-Wheeler line being half our top 6 for the next several years; Kane-Burmistrov-?? is the 2nd part to that equation. Whoever we may draft at 7, might not step in immediately, but they will be drafted with the intent of fulfilling that organizational need.

We could trade way down to like 15 to address the 2nd line RW vacancy and draft a guy like Nicklas Jensen, Tyler Biggs, or maybe Armia.

If Huberdeau or Strome is still available , and we decide to stay at 7, I say go Huberdeau or Zibanajad.

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We are definitely getting a RW. Dudley seems pretty content with the Ladd-Little-Wheeler line being half our top 6 for the next several years; Kane-Burmistrov-?? is the 2nd part to that equation. Whoever we may draft at 7, might not step in immediately, but they will be drafted with the intent of fulfilling that organizational need.

We could trade way down to like 15 to address the 2nd line RW vacancy and draft a guy like Nicklas Jensen, Tyler Biggs, or maybe Armia.

If Huberdeau or Strome is still available , and we decide to stay at 7, I say go Huberdeau or Zibanajad.
Jeez Louise. You don't draft for position - especially not with this degree of exactitude. We don't know if the Ladd-Little-Wheeler line will last several games, let alone several years. You don't trade down because the best player available doesn't fill a "need".

If a positional need is glaring and immediate enough, you address it via free agency or trade.

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04-20-2011, 03:03 PM
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/marks...o-defence.html

CBC has us taking Duncan Siemens.

Also, Couturier falling to 9th, Joel Armia going at 29 and Jaime Oleksiak in the top 10. Huhwhat.

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CBC has Murphy listed for ATL

all of that could play out though...i have Armia furthur down the line too...and Oleksiak is another climber, wouldnt be shocking for him go from mid teens to 8.

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The Thrashers need a difference maker on the back end and Murphy fits the bill.


Guess they've never heard of Enstrom or Byfuglien. 50+ points in his 3rd and 4th years in the league and he still doesn't get any repsect.

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If Couturier falls to 7 and we pass, I'm pissed.

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Guess they've never heard of Enstrom or Byfuglien. 50+ points in his 3rd and 4th years in the league and he still doesn't get any repsect.
Seriously. And we have deep defense in the system. It's like they didn't even care to look into our organizational needs.

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04-20-2011, 03:58 PM
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i would be absolutely shocked if we took anything but the best goal scorer available

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CBC has us taking Duncan Siemens.

Also, Couturier falling to 9th, Joel Armia going at 29 and Jaime Oleksiak in the top 10. Huhwhat.
Woah.

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04-20-2011, 05:02 PM
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defense i don't want

between enstrom, byfuglien, hainsey, bogosian, stuart, kulda, postma, and zubarev i feel like we have that covered

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04-22-2011, 07:09 PM
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Oilers fan here.

Would you consider swapping picks with Edmonton?

Im thinking something like EDM 2011 first for Thrasher's 2011 first + 2012 first.

You like?

Then you could get the player you really want.

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counter offer: to ATL: Hemsky, EDM 1st 2011
to EDM: Bogosian, ATL 1st 2011, ATL 1st 2012

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counter offer: to ATL: Hemsky, EDM 1st 2011
to EDM: Bogosian, ATL 1st 2011, ATL 1st 2012
Why would you make a counter offer that favors the other team? Hemsky doesn't have that much value with Atlanta because he will be a "RENTAL"

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04-22-2011, 07:52 PM
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Guess they've never heard of Enstrom or Byfuglien. 50+ points in his 3rd and 4th years in the league and he still doesn't get any repsect.
ya, great insight by the 'all knowing' Canadian media into our strongest position. And we're going to Winnipeg next week too.


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counter offer: to ATL: Hemsky, EDM 1st 2011
to EDM: Bogosian, ATL 1st 2011, ATL 1st 2012
That's even better.

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There's no way we trade up in this draft.....Quite possibly the worst draft year since 1999...I'll keep Bogosian AND our pick, thank you very much!

The only thing I'd do is actually trade DOWN, get a Top 6 roster player, and be in position to take Joel Armia.

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There's no way we trade up in this draft.....Quite possibly the worst draft year since 1999...I'll keep Bogosian AND our pick, thank you very much!

The only thing I'd do is actually trade DOWN, get a Top 6 roster player, and be in position to take Joel Armia.
Pretty sure it will be better than 2007, but ya, it isnt a great draft.

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It's far too early to tell how good this draft will be. Whilst there isn't a clear #1 elite talent (Stamkos, Tavares, Hall etc) i think it's widely believed that there are some great talents in this years draft.

I don't think we should draft a d-man unless Larsson is available (highly unlikely), so we should go for the best forward available. It seems at the minute to be shaping up like this;

Tier 1
Larsson, RNH, Landeskog - Most likely all gone by the time we pick.

Tier 2
Couturier, Huberdeau, Strome - If any of these guys are left then we pick them.

If none of the above are available then i'd like to see us take Mika Zibanejad - been rising all year and seems to be getting better and better, has #1 centre potential.

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Why would you make a counter offer that favors the other team? Hemsky doesn't have that much value with Atlanta because he will be a "RENTAL"
1. We get the final piece to our top 6 to finally get us into the playoffs.

Kane-Burmistrov-Hemsky

2. We draft Ladeskog, who will be ready by the 2012-2013 season, to fill in as top 6 RW in the event Hemsky decideds NOT to resign with us.

3. Bogosian is about good as gone and I think Postma and/or Zubarev can fill the void

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It's far too early to tell how good this draft will be. Whilst there isn't a clear #1 elite talent (Stamkos, Tavares, Hall etc) i think it's widely believed that there are some great talents in this years draft.

I don't think we should draft a d-man unless Larsson is available (highly unlikely), so we should go for the best forward available. It seems at the minute to be shaping up like this;

Tier 1
Larsson, RNH, Landeskog - Most likely all gone by the time we pick.

Tier 2
Couturier, Huberdeau, Strome - If any of these guys are left then we pick them.

If none of the above are available then i'd like to see us take Mika Zibanejad - been rising all year and seems to be getting better and better, has #1 centre potential.
I'm leaning towards us possibly taking Zibanejad. No idea how things are going to go down though. Could see someone taking Murphy in the top 4. Could see the defensemen fall like last year with the likely exception of Larsson. Armia could go anywhere from 7th or 8th to in the early 20's. If you go back and look at mock drafts from last year, no one had Burmi higher then 10th and we took him at 8th. Teams will make the neccessary reach to get their guy. So much up in the air really.

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1. We get the final piece to our top 6 to finally get us into the playoffs.

Kane-Burmistrov-Hemsky

2. We draft Ladeskog, who will be ready by the 2012-2013 season, to fill in as top 6 RW in the event Hemsky decideds NOT to resign with us.

3. Bogosian is about good as gone and I think Postma and/or Zubarev can fill the void
We still don't need to add THAT much to make that trade. It's too lopsided towards Vancouver.

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ya, great insight by the 'all knowing' Canadian media into our strongest position. And we're going to Winnipeg next week too.


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Unfortunately, it isn't our strongest position. We score goals, it's keeping them out of the net that is our issue. We have some depth there, yes. But our bottom 6 also has a ton of depth. Look where that got us?

I would prefer a defencemen getting drafted, and using one of ours (bogosian/Oduya) To go get a top 6 forward (With us adding some stuff).

I'd do the edmonton trade if it involved cog's/omark coming back. Draft Laarson to replace bogo, and get either a center, or a guy who can take shremp/stewart spot on the roster who is an RFA still. Yeah, Hemsky might be a 1 year rental, or maybe he does a buff/stuart and signs within a couple weeks before the season starts.

Ladd/Lilttle/Hemsky
Wheeler/Burmi/Cogs/Kane
Stapes/Burmi/Cogs/Antro
Boulton/Slater/Thorburn
Dvorak.Kling/Mach/Cormier switching out with stapes/boulton if he resigns (Since everyone here seems to love Dvorak)

Enstrom/Buff
Hainsey/Laarson
Stuart/Zub/Kulda/Postma/Oduya

I'd like to see what we can get for stewart/antro at the end of the day, as well as the other one of oduya/bogosian.

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