Honestly, I think it's more to do with the team, and the players personality.. than the actual color or race of the person.
I take Mike Richards words at face value. I think the guy was totally butthurt about it and whining. But he said stuff like "here is this rookie who is skating circles around us and he seems as comfy as a vet out there". Then he added that bit about "so much as thinks he is better".....which is just a presumption on his part. But stuff like that eats guys up. I am not a big Cherry fan but I make a distinction between his comments and Richards. I don't think Cherry was threatening him, just letting him know that people are out to get him, and he is right. Have you watched the games? Lots of guys are out to get him. Richards though....he was pissed....he was making threats.
Another thing that works against Subban is the media made him a focal point all year. Especially after the comments from Richards and Cherry. Yeah, he slashes guys once in a while. I haven't seen too many players who don't. But now you have people looking for it from PK.
I take Mike Richards words at face value. I think the guy was totally butthurt about it and whining. But he said stuff like "here is this rookie who is skating circles around us and he seems as comfy as a vet out there". Then he added that bit about "so much as thinks he is better".....which is just a presumption on his part. But stuff like that eats guys up.
Exactly, that's what I was saying earlier. It's more to do with the fact that, this young guy who is supposed to be intimidated, and has apparently alot to learn.. but yet he's chirping people, getting into players faces, skates around them and takes the puck off them.. it pisses them off that this young guy who is supposed to be green.. is outplaying them.
What's the reason that people were upset at
Pacioretty's shove?
Price's shootout gestures (Tampa and Pittsburgh)
Lapierre's antics
I think it's too easy for people to believe that racism is the reason why people dislike PK and believe it has nothing to do with his cocky attitude along with his hockey skills
For sure he has been better in the 2nd half of the year especially after being benched, but there was a little stretch IIRC after him being benched that he did have 3-4 horrible games in a row and people were blaming Martin for that. Glad he has found his game, lots of people forget that he is a rookie playing 20+ minutes a night!
Yes but those 3-4 terrible games are all part of the learning curve. That was his lesson that he couldn't get away with everything, then he started to calm down and just like Gainey said started to "just play". Its working wonders for him. Also worth noting is that JM has consistently changed PK's ice time based on what he earned and could handle as a rookie mentally/ lesson wise. Then once PK settled down JM has given PK all the ice time in the world, a decent amount of PP time, PK time for his great work on his defensive game and hasnt done any of the discipline stuff in a while, theres been no need for it. This is the opposite reaction from what Sergei did with the organization. He took it personally instead of learning from his lessons. At the end of the day the team is not out to get you in most cases, you excelling makes them excel.
Seems like he handled PK's attitude perfectly. We are now left with a young confident player who plays on the edge and no longer consistently over it. This can be seen in the crazy fact he leads PIM, Hits, 5th in blocks, 1st goals, 3 assists (2 off lead), and 1st in points for rookie defensmen. Its crazy to think how much hes improved and grown under the system.
I think it's too easy for people to believe that racism is the reason why people dislike PK and believe it has nothing to do with his cocky attitude along with his hockey skills
I don't find the cocky label really fits him though. I really do not find him that cocky. I think though, all it really took with PK, was for a few people to say it. Combine that with the fact that the media put a spotlight on him ever since, and now you have people looking for it. And you find what you look for.
Exactly, that's what I was saying earlier. It's more to do with the fact that, this young guy who is supposed to be intimidated, and has apparently alot to learn.. but yet he's chirping people, getting into players faces, skates around them and takes the puck off them.. it pisses them off that this young guy who is supposed to be green.. is outplaying them.
What's the reason that people were upset at
Pacioretty's shove?
Price's shootout gestures (Tampa and Pittsburgh)
Lapierre's antics
I think it's too easy for people to believe that racism is the reason why people dislike PK and believe it has nothing to do with his cocky attitude along with his hockey skills
I don't think most people paid attention to Pacioretty's shove or Pacioretty until after Chara went raaage.
I wouldn't listen to what commentators of fans of this board say. If you recall a while ago, you had people claiming J-Bo was a top5D and in every way superior to Markov. Now that he's getting actual coverage on TV, people realize how insanely idiotic that statement was. Another example would be Vancouver fans claiming Koivu and Morrison were equal offensively, with Morrison having an all around game that was superior. Every sheep agreed obviously, disregarding the fact Morrison was playing with BERTUZZI AND NASLUND during their prime (were talking 100point wingers) while failing to outproduce Koivu who was playing with "I was on pace for 70 points in the preseason so pay me like that" Bulis and Zednik post McLaren.
Literally every label or evaluation given on this board is wrong. If you see popular opinion go in one way here, it is without a doubt wrong and likely to be the opposite of reality unless it's a superstar player. People are just dumb that way and have no capacity to properly evaluate real life events around here. This is even truer when it comes to the simple act of reading an article.
Didn't Leaf fans claim Ian White was better the Plekanec?
I wouldn't listen to what commentators of fans of this board say. If you recall a while ago, you had people claiming J-Bo was a top5D and in every way superior to Markov. Now that he's getting actual coverage on TV, people realize how insanely idiotic that statement was. Another example would be Vancouver fans claiming Koivu and Morrison were equal offensively, with Morrison having an all around game that was superior. Every sheep agreed obviously, disregarding the fact Morrison was playing with BERTUZZI AND NASLUND during their prime (were talking 100point wingers) while failing to outproduce Koivu who was playing with "I was on pace for 70 points in the preseason so pay me like that" Bulis and Zednik post McLaren.
Literally every label or evaluation given on this board is wrong. If you see popular opinion go in one way here, it is without a doubt wrong and likely to be the opposite of reality unless it's a superstar player. People are just dumb that way and have no capacity to properly evaluate real life events around here. This is even truer when it comes to the simple act of reading an article.
When Mike Richards complains of lack of respect, is that coming from the guy who almost ended Booth's playing career with a VERY late blind side hit?
I am not saying I agree with Mike Richards. I am saying I think his words pretty much tell why he was butthurt.
Stuff like: he comes into this league and plays like that
so much as thinks he is better (not that PK thought that)
He sounds like a guy who feels like he got pantsed and is whining about it. I am not taking his side here. I know the respect thing is hypocritical and pretty whiny.
I think it also has to do with Subban's ice time. Normally a 3rd or 4th line yapper would get 5-10 mins / game. Subban gets somewhere between 22-28 minutes, and usually facing the other team's top line. So Subban gets to yap much more, and mostly towards the other team's star players.
When Mike Richards complains of lack of respect, is that coming from the guy who almost ended Booth's playing career with a VERY late blind side hit?
I know it's hypocritical. And I think it is a stupid thing to whine about. But I do think that is what he was whining about, not that PK is black. He comes off sounding like a five year old.
He is a true phenom and last night was just the latest example. Most of his amazing play doesn't even show up on the stat sheet, which is true of many great players in sports and NHL defensemen in particular.
Overall, he has been one of the best storylines of the Habs since the playoffs last year, yet incredibly, has gone under the radar because of all the other compelling stories surrounding this exciting team. Although he had been hyped like crazy before his professional debut, he has surpassed most if not all of our unrealistically high expections.
Lastly, and I hate to end on a sour note, I strongly feel that some of the criticism leveled against him for his on-ice demeanor and style of play is both unwarranted and motivated by unconscious racial bias. This will only continue as he continues to turn heads around the league (literally and figuratively) and becomes more of a household name.
It is a fact that in all major sports, including those where black athletes constitute the majority, that bias and stereotypes exist. Hockey players, media, and fans are not immune from that. I don't have to spell these stigmas out for you but they have existed historically and sadly continue to exist today, albeit in more subtle forms. PK deserves praise for playing with the utmost skill and leadership, while refusing to adjust his game to appease his critics.
PK will continue to mature and thrive. He and the Habs will have the last laugh. Go PK go!
Except Jarome Iginla is one of the most respected players in the game and was voted best leader in the NHL?
And PK is and will only be a house-hold name for Habs fans.
Also PK shouldn't refuse to adjust his game to appease his critics when his critics are his fellow players. No one likes him because of his antics and behaviour problems not because of his skin colour.
Except Jarome Iginla is one of the most respected players in the game and was voted best leader in the NHL?
And PK is and will only be a house-hold name for Habs fans.
Also PK shouldn't refuse to adjust his game to appease his critics when his critics are his fellow players. No one likes him because of his antics and behaviour problems not because of his skin colour.
Sadly in some cases it's probably a combination of both and if anyone thinks otherwise they're only fooling themselves IMO.
Prepare yourself for many years of hating PK Subban Leaf fan.
Except Jarome Iginla is one of the most respected players in the game and was voted best leader in the NHL?
And PK is and will only be a house-hold name for Habs fans.
Also PK shouldn't refuse to adjust his game to appease his critics when his critics are his fellow players. No one likes him because of his antics and behaviour problems not because of his skin colour.
Mulattos have a higher standing than "pure" ones, at least on a subconscious level.
He will be a star. He's good on offense and defense. He finishes his checks and is strong on the puck.
Sadly in some cases it's probably a combination of both and if anyone thinks otherwise they're only fooling themselves IMO.
Prepare yourself for many years of hating PK Subban Leaf fan.
That's what I am worried about. He is a decent player but I hate his antics so much. I mean Sidney Crosby learned to stop diving and running his mouth. Subban better learn aswell.
That's what I am worried about. He is a decent player but I hate his antics so much. I mean Sidney Crosby learned to stop diving and running his mouth. Subban better learn aswell.
Lol, what?
You mean, he stopped diving and running his mouth? When did that happened, during his concussion?
That's what I am worried about. He is a decent player but I hate his antics so much. I mean Sidney Crosby learned to stop diving and running his mouth. Subban better learn aswell.
You may not like his antics, and sometimes I don't even like his antics (and I've always been one of his biggest pushers around here). Decent player? I guess Luke Scheen is okay, too.
Give credit where it's due, regardless of the jersey on the player's back
I think this is what pisses off so many people in the NHL. He's cocky, mouths off AND he backs it up. Guys like Avery and Neil are pretty much non-factors in the entire facets of the game, PK, on the other hand, is a very good all-around player. They are probably pissed they are getting schooled by a rookie.
That's what I am worried about. He is a decent player but I hate his antics so much. I mean Sidney Crosby learned to stop diving and running his mouth. Subban better learn aswell.
I really think the antics thing is way overdone. I don't really think he has any antics. He slashed a guy during a battle in front of the net. Stuff like that happens all the time. And he celebrated goals, which no one else in the NHL does. Like really, if it wasnt for people in the media saying he has antics people would hardly notice them. As far as antics goes, he seems pretty normal to me.
I was talking over to the Bruins board about what I believe is their biggest problem: lack of Defense/Goalie chemistry. Last year, Price was blaming his D all the time, and the D were resentful of Price. No chemistry developped. And this year, our line seem to have Price over their shoulder. They trust him and forgive him when he makes a mistake. And he trust them and forgive them when they make some.
And then, it struct me.. I was wondering how much the current relationship between Subban and Price has an influence over Price's performance? In my own words:
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Originally Posted by SolkaTruesilver
I know you people dislike hearing about PK, but there is one big, big big element, that is off the stats, that warrants why many of us think he's so good for our team:
He's best buddy with Price. He does everything to protect him. He personnaly go to cheer him up. They always celebrate together.
It's maybe childish, maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's everything. Maybe he's the reason Price has done so well? 'Cause he knows his buddy is there for him while he's flipping over on the ice?
Do you think such complicity between our lead D and our goalie helps Price's emotional balance?
Except Jarome Iginla is one of the most respected players in the game and was voted best leader in the NHL?
And PK is and will only be a house-hold name for Habs fans.
Also PK shouldn't refuse to adjust his game to appease his critics when his critics are his fellow players. No one likes him because of his antics and behaviour problems not because of his skin colour.
The thing his that his 'antics' are nothing out of the ordinary in the NHL, and there is nothing actually wrong with his behaviour. There are plenty of guys in the league who act like Subban or worse, but you rarely hear about it on TV. Why is Subban so different? It's quite the mystery.
These 'antics' that you are referring to are a handful of instances that have been completely blown out of proportion for no logical reason at all, by both opposing players and fans alike. Mouthier, dirtier, more disrepectful players do stupid things every night in the NHL, but people enjoy bashing on Subban instead.
The thing his that his 'antics' are nothing out of the ordinary in the NHL, and there is nothing actually wrong with his behaviour. There are plenty of guys in the league who act like Subban or worse, but you rarely hear about it on TV. Why is Subban so different? It's quite the mystery.
These 'antics' that you are referring to are a handful of instances that have been completely blown out of proportion for no logical reason at all, by both opposing players and fans alike. Mouthier, dirtier, more disrepectful players do stupid things every night in the NHL, but people enjoy bashing on Subban instead.
Good post. Before his most recent case of brain-cramps, Cooke was getting less hate than Subban. Mind boggling.
