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03-31-2011, 06:24 PM
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I decided to test the waters and put a post on the transfer board. They're not on the market, just seeing what offers I get. If any of you are interested, here they are.

23 years old, 93/53/+3 206 AI 107 EXP
http://www.hockeyarena.net/en/index....nc&id=22736132
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 31 (50%)
Defense 8 (84%) Strength 10 (8%)
Offense 56 (50%) Self-control 11 (97%)
Shooting 70 (27%) Form 55 (-3)
Passing 20 (86%) Experience 107 (76%)


22 years old, 91/53/+3 184 AI 129 EXP
http://www.hockeyarena.net/en/index....er_id=25318199
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 20 (57%)
Defense 0 (0%) Strength 16 (58%)
Offense 53 (29%) Self-control 13 (64%)
Shooting 61 (12%) Form 88 (+3)
Passing 21 (32%) Experience 129 (21%)

I'm obviously looking to get paid, so... unfortunately no friendly discounts.

Still not sure if selling them makes sense or not.



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Youth Movement Question:

I currently have seven 17-20 year old players in my lineup. I have two players, ages 22 and 23, who are currently on my second line and are part of my movement. Both are +3 and have reasonable AI and EXP.

Would it make any sense to sell these players and replace them with younger players who fall into the 17-20 range with the rest of my youth? The idea being that I'd want everyone peaking together. I'm trying to wrap my mind around this.

Does the fact that they're +3 mean anything in terms of this question?


The way the market is, I think I could get a combined 700 mill for the two players, then maybe turn that into three solid 17-18 year olds and give me two full lines of 17-20 players. I'm keeping a third line of +3 vets to help me stay afloat at least in IV while the youth train.

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I'd be into buying one of them for sure, possibly both depending on pricing.

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Stupid server reset means my youth lines played today. The kids still pulled off a win. Oh well, that just means I didn't lose any money on a win bonus.

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Yea.. one of my UFA's got extended a day so he's going to end up costing me an extra 20 mil.

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Just to reply to the youth movement question, I always thought it better to build a self-sustaining model (I think several on this forum advocate that approach, including forsberg iirc)...

So right now I have
1 24 year-old
2 23 year-olds
3 22 year-olds
1 21 year-old
6 20 year-olds
2 19 year-olds
1 17 year-old

in my starting 16 (not counting my backup goalie).

This way my only real UFA nightmare would happen in 7 years to the current 20 year-olds, and by then I should have replaced a couple of them; two of them are +3 and one of them is going to be a franchise player.

I think if you have them all peak at the same time unless you ensure they're all +3 you're going to have a horrible season of trying to meet all the contract demands at once.

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Got just over $100,000,000 for the first two players that I sold off of my current lines for the rebuild. Was going to sell a third but his contact was coming up before I could sell him so I'll put him up so he gets sold Thursday.

Selling two of my weaker backups netted me another $10,000,000; including $8,600,000 for a 24y/o 56/21 135 AI defender who had to be showing much better then that. Could have been better and could have been worse.

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Westbrook's the 3rd highest trainer in the US

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Updated Status of Rebuild:



RW - John McNamara - 129 AI - 85Q/59P - 19 YO - +3 - YP
C - Stanley Wiggins - 85 AI - 93Q/82P - 18 YO - +1 - YP
LW - Ashley Waddle - 109 AI - 93Q/88P - 18 YO - -3 - $407M

D - Robby Yost - 69 AI - 88Q/71P - 17 YO - +? - $91M
D - Gracij Ne˛mah - 89 AI - 98Q/82P - 18 YO - +2 - $356M
D - Gregg Orourke - 50 AI - 81Q/88P - 17 YO - -? YP
D - John Yu - 96 AI - 90Q/65P - 18 YO - -3 - YP
D - Ariel Bledsoe - 119 AI - 96Q/65P - 19 YO - -1 - YP
D - Grant Harding - 138 AI - 69Q/59P - 23 YO - +3 - $5.3M

This is just a basic run down of my first line forwards and defensive group. I have enough left on the roster to make a group, but there is still work to go. Hopefully some fortunate YP pickups could prevent me from having to spend some money.

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I also have a bit of a question for you guys. How do you decide based on distribution what position you want a player to play in the future in regards to differentiation between forwards and is there a difference between a player on RW and LW since handedness isn't available? I have two guys that I am unsure how to proceed with based on distribution in regards to one being a winger and one being a center.

Player A:

Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 12 (76%)
Defense 9 (0%) Strength 0 (0%)
Offense 44 (11%) Self-control 9 (0%)
Shooting 15 (84%) Form 59 (-3)
Passing 17 (4%) Experience 4 (56%)
Energy 85 Training 62%


For Player A - I like the fact that OFF is high enough to start out as a center build, but the total lack of strength makes me think that he would make a better scoring winger. The 9 DF makes me unsure as well in regards to if that makes a difference.



Player B:

Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 21 (58%)
Defense 3 (0%) Strength 13 (0%)
Offense 33 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 15 (67%) Form 74 (+3)
Passing 0 (0%) Experience 6 (73%)
Energy 88 Training 58%

Player B - With this player, the STR already being fairly high for his age makes me think center, but the total lack of passing makes me think winger.

I am leaning towards Player B as a winger and Player A as a center, but can't seem to make my mind up and I want to have a build that lasts.

Additionally, for anybody that has ever trained a 5 player team in regards to 65% 1st line, 1 unit of PP, and 1 unit of PK.... what is the best way to keep energy always at 100% and is it HIGHLY detrimental to have it in the mid to high 80's as exhibited above. This issue is one that I have just noticed. I am training on 85% intensity and one attribute for each at 100%. How much rest do you need to work into a schedule if they're playing that much to maximize EXP?

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Additionally, for anybody that has ever trained a 5 player team in regards to 65% 1st line, 1 unit of PP, and 1 unit of PK.... what is the best way to keep energy always at 100% and is it HIGHLY detrimental to have it in the mid to high 80's as exhibited above. This issue is one that I have just noticed. I am training on 85% intensity and one attribute for each at 100%. How much rest do you need to work into a schedule if they're playing that much to maximize EXP?
If you're training on 85 percent intensity and your players are regularly unable to get back to 100 energy, you may be gaining more EXP, but you're losing training. I'd think it cancels out the benefit of the extra EXP.

I play 65/55/45 with 1 PP and 2 PK. Only once or twice a season do my players go below 100 energy (due to OT or an abnormally high number of power plays). If your players had high enough SCO, you might be able to get by with 1 PP/PK.

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I bought a player for 72M

18yo, 85 AI, 100Q/max-1 P/-?

Unfortunately his distribution is rather demented:

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Goalie 2 Speed 12
Defense 23 Strength 4
Offense 19 Self-control 8
Shooting 11 Form 52 (+3)
Passing 6 Experience 0

I'm in need of wingers and centers, as I have one 0P of each. OTOH I have no 0P D-men, but I have three with 6P I think. Should I just sell a D-man and keep looking for forwards or try to make this guy into a winger?

Also, is 100M for a 82/max/-? 19yo with 108 AI (well-distributed) worth it?

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I also have a bit of a question for you guys. How do you decide based on distribution what position you want a player to play in the future in regards to differentiation between forwards and is there a difference between a player on RW and LW since handedness isn't available? I have two guys that I am unsure how to proceed with based on distribution in regards to one being a winger and one being a center.
There is no difference between LW and RW (someone can correct me if this is wrong, but I don't think there is). It's all personal preference. I tend to put the winger that has more points in DEF (not trained) as the LW, and if they are equal then I look at STR (again, not trained, it's the amount they are born with).

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Player A:

Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 12 (76%)
Defense 9 (0%) Strength 0 (0%)
Offense 44 (11%) Self-control 9 (0%)
Shooting 15 (84%) Form 59 (-3)
Passing 17 (4%) Experience 4 (56%)
Energy 85 Training 62%

For Player A - I like the fact that OFF is high enough to start out as a center build, but the total lack of strength makes me think that he would make a better scoring winger. The 9 DF makes me unsure as well in regards to if that makes a difference.

Player B:

Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 21 (58%)
Defense 3 (0%) Strength 13 (0%)
Offense 33 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 15 (67%) Form 74 (+3)
Passing 0 (0%) Experience 6 (73%)
Energy 88 Training 58%

Player B - With this player, the STR already being fairly high for his age makes me think center, but the total lack of passing makes me think winger.

I am leaning towards Player B as a winger and Player A as a center, but can't seem to make my mind up and I want to have a build that lasts.
For me Player A would be made a winger, and Player B a center. I believe centers need a higher STR than PAS stat, as IIRC NT centers have either greater than or equal the amount of STR to PASS.

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I bought a player for 72M

18yo, 85 AI, 100Q/max-1 P/-?

Unfortunately his distribution is rather demented:

I'm in need of wingers and centers, as I have one 0P of each. OTOH I have no 0P D-men, but I have three with 6P I think. Should I just sell a D-man and keep looking for forwards or try to make this guy into a winger?

Also, is 100M for a 82/max/-? 19yo with 108 AI (well-distributed) worth it?
I don't think anything below 90Q is worth 100M Maybe if you knew he was a +3, but he's not.

Normally I would say that 23DEF is too much for a winger, but my future franchise player has 16DEF. I also have two D-men with 26 & 28 OFF. If you're going to keep looking for another player, just train this guy in some secondaries for a while. Stuff that is useful to both forwards and d-men (Pass, SCo, some Speed). If the next guy you buy is a forward, then make this guy a d-man and vice versa.

That's a brilliant pick-up for only 72M.

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For me Player A would be made a winger, and Player B a center. I believe centers need a higher STR than PAS stat, as IIRC NT centers have either greater than or equal the amount of STR to PASS.
I would disagree. I was just discussing this with forsberg, and he said there was a big discussion in the Danish (I think he said Danish) forums. I was planning on going with 50-60PAS and 40-50STR for centers. They came to the conclusion that 65PAS and 35STR were better targets.

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I would disagree. I was just discussing this with forsberg, and he said there was a big discussion in the Danish (I think he said Danish) forums. I was planning on going with 50-60PAS and 40-50STR for centers. They came to the conclusion that 65PAS and 35STR were better targets.
Then I stand corrected. I tried to find an Excel file of a few seasons ago to look at the distributions of NT players to check and couldn't find it. That is interesting information though.

Speaking of 300+AI/NT players, what is the best distribution for a defenseman? I have a stud in Wetzel that I'm trying to figure out what he should be in 10 seasons when he is pushing for 300+ AI and a spot on the USA NT squad.

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I don't know but I'm going to aim my defensemen to have obviously defense as first attribute, secondly shooting, and thirdly passing/strength.

I might mix it up, however.

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I would disagree. I was just discussing this with forsberg, and he said there was a big discussion in the Danish (I think he said Danish) forums. I was planning on going with 50-60PAS and 40-50STR for centers. They came to the conclusion that 65PAS and 35STR were better targets.
It obviously depends on what kinda of AI the player the has, but a for a 330 AI+ center the minimum of 65 PAS and 35 STR seemed to be consensus between the national coach, myself and a few others.
I would say that 40-45 STR is fine, if you have the AI to spare, but from I have seen 35 STR seems to be enough, however passing remains underrated imo.

A simple look at shot totals almost always tell us, just how many more shots the wings on the have compared to the centers and I would argue it is therefor better to maximise shooting percentage on 2 wings then on 1 center on a line.

As a result of this, a center like that would have a shot skill, which would probably peak out at 80-85. However with a high enough xp he still remains a viable scoring threat, not just a damn effective assist maschine .

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Well, I could only think of a distribution of about 230 and was stuck on the other 70 or so AI: 100 DEF, 20 SHO, 20 PA, 20 SPE, 50 STR, 20 SCo. That gets me about 230 AI. Suppose add ten more each to SHO, SPE, and PA and dump the rest into DEF?

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Well, I could only think of a distribution of about 230 and was stuck on the other 70 or so AI: 100 DEF, 20 SHO, 20 PA, 20 SPE, 50 STR, 20 SCo. That gets me about 230 AI. Suppose add ten more each to SHO, SPE, and PA and dump the rest into DEF?
I'll let others comment but myself, I would get shot to 40-50, maybe speed up to 30, passing up to 30-40, and what's left into defense.

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Awesome.

I pulled a very good looking 16 year old player with Q93?/P74? and 29 AI. I was very excited of that.

Then the update jammed.

Now that it works again, icko rolled everything back. New pull: 5 craps instead now...

Thanks icko!

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And here are the two potential studs as per usual. What did I do to get primetime's luck to rub off on me?

18 year old 92/?72 Offensive ?93 AI
19 year old 82/?92 Offensive ?88 AI

I have two boosts. Thinking about using them both on the 18 year old. Or perhaps one on each? Hrm...


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And here are the two potential studs as per usual. What did I do to get primetime's luck to rub off on me?

18 year old 92/?72 Offensive ?93 AI
19 year old 82/?92 Offensive ?88 AI

I have two boosts. Thinking about using them both on the 18 year old. Or perhaps one on each? Hrm...
Maybe I'm completely off, but I'd say it's a no-brainer that if you're using both boosts today you should use them on the 18 year old.

I've only got 2 guys that might serve some purpose to me, though mostly on the market with their low AI.

16 year old 78?/91? 25? AI
17 year old 66?/100? 44 AI (14 DEF 14 SHO 7 PASS 4 SPE 3 STR 2 SCO)

It seems to me that the 17 year old will be too low on AI too be as good as I need a player to be at the current time for my rebuild. On the other hand, the market seems to be bidding real young talent to the moon recently no matter their AI. Question is, am I undervaluing a guy like this or is the market inflating these players' worth?

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Well, based on how the P is showing, I think the 19 year old might have max-P for his age. If they both have max-3 P or better (decent possibility), then they both might be better than a couple players in my lineup.

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I got lucky and pulled 5 FAR before the roll back and then got a pretty decent reset in my favor.

89Q/65P - 52 AI - 17 YO. Very solid distribution with offense, shooting, and speed all over 10 already and passing at 8. Only 6 in defense "wasted", so to speak. I'll have to talk to the U20 guys, but this could be a trainer for the 38/39 season. Showing -? but he won't be kept long enough for that to matter. If he's selected to train, then he'll be kept until he's 20 and sold after the final national games.

Then there is an interesting player. Not sure what I plan to do with him right now because the scouting numbers at 16 are so wild.

88?Q/77?P - 27? AI - Goalie. We'll see how that one turns out. Could really use a goaltender prospect and I hope the potential on this one goes up. Would love to have a max minus minimal 85+ Q goaltender to train. Especially considering he should be coming into his own by the time my team is coming together.

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What the hell? I never used any boosts this season, and it's saying I can't use a second boost.

Oh well, both are pulled and will be fully scouted tomorrow.

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Well, I could only think of a distribution of about 230 and was stuck on the other 70 or so AI: 100 DEF, 20 SHO, 20 PA, 20 SPE, 50 STR, 20 SCo. That gets me about 230 AI. Suppose add ten more each to SHO, SPE, and PA and dump the rest into DEF?
I aim for 50 speed (though that may be too much), and I would get the shot and pass up to 30 if possible too.

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