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03-24-2011, 06:10 PM
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He has played very well in Calgary and has been a big part of the offensive resurgence.

He has 19 goals, 39 assists for 58 points in 72 games. Thats a pace of 66 points. He is a top line talent, and has shown it this year.

He will be 31 at the end of the season so you would have to expect a contract no longer than 3 years, and not top end dollar.

For the most part players providing a similar contribution to their teams are making about 3.5M. Clowe, Vermette, Krejici, Ruutu, Zajac, Booth, Cullen and Jokinen come to mind in recent years. They range from 3M-4M per year in salary and are producing about 50 points on average. Although a lot of these players are younger and in their primes, Cullen got 3.5M and Jokinen 3M for 50pt production past 30 years of age.

Tanguay brings a good 2-way game and has been an important penalty killer and a good short handed threat. He has played top minutes and been one of the most important Flames all year.

Around the Flames board the consensus seemed to be about 2.8M on a 3 year deal. I think that is a little bit low but what does everyone else think?
Top line talent? really? ... I could be wrong but how many other teams would he be on their top line?

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If Stajan can get a 3.5 million dollar deal, I don't see why Tanguay should ask for less.

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If Stajan can get a 3.5 million dollar deal, I don't see why Tanguay should ask for less.
If Stajan is the benchmark, Tanguay should get $5 million plus. Ironically, it is Stajan's contract that may be one of the reasons Calgary cannot bring him back next year. No matter how much AT may like Calgary, if another team offers him the money he wants after playing for peanuts (relatively this year), he will be gone.....not a chance he will be happy with less than Stajan one would think.

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Top line talent? really? ... I could be wrong but how many other teams would he be on their top line?
8th in points among LWers... T-4th in assists among LWers... and even despite being a pass first player he is 28th in goals for LWers (although I see a few guys listed as LW when they are mainly RW, such as Bourque and Burrows)

I think its a safe bet he is top line talent on a good portion of NHL teams

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If Stajan can get a 3.5 million dollar deal, I don't see why Tanguay should ask for less.
different situations first of all

With Stajan he was a pending UFA that the Flames were trying to stop from testing the market. Stajan was coming off a career year in both goals and points.

With Tanguay you have a player who likely does not want to test the market, a player who took the Flames offer on July 1st without listening to offers from other teams. A player who has had a great season but it was a bounce back season from a horrible year, where by his own accord his attitude was part of the problem and then to add to that he had serious injury problems the season before.

On the open market I think Tanguay gets 3.5 probably... but if he decides he wants to be a Flame I think he takes a decent discount

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3 years @ $2.5M per would be fair.

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Top line talent? really? ... I could be wrong but how many other teams would he be on their top line?

I really believe that there are a lot of teams out there who could use a 50 point playmaking left winger such as Tanguay. Top of my head examples could be Colorado, Edmonton, Colombus, Montreal, NYR. etc. When you figure in the salary that Tanguay makes, Im sure that list would go up.

Regardless, Im sure this thread could turn into an arguement of wether he is a top line talent throughout the league or not. The point is, he is a top line talent right now in Calgary with Jarome Iginla.

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03-25-2011, 10:04 AM
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Richards is a bad comparable since he's one of the best two-way players in the game, ~5 years younger, is a center, and is their team captain. I'm unsure about Krejci as well given that he again is a centerman, which is a more valuable position. Clowe is also a questionable one since he plays a very different style of game. I can't argue with Justin Williams though, and I'd rather have Tanguay rather than Williams since he averages like 30-40 more games per season. Viewed in that light, 3.5 for Tanguay really is a pretty credible figure.

I suppose people are adjusting his price down on the assumption that he takes a hometown discount, which isn't necessarily a fait accompli.
I will agree that Richards is a different player entirely, I was more using a points arguement. However, while Clowe is a different style player he would not be contributing as much as Tanguay is in Calgary. I would love to have Clowe on my team for obvious reasons, but Tanguay's worth to Calgary is more than Clowe's would be. Justin Williams, I agree is the fairest comparison and once again while I would have him on my team, Tanguay's playmaking style and chemistry with Iginla is more valueable then Williams contributions would be.

I do think that Tanguay would sign a hometown discount to stay in Calgary and ride out his career, however i think part of that agreement would be to get a longer contract to settle down on, rather then a 2 year deal.

I think 3M for 4-5 years is very fair for both parties

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03-25-2011, 10:58 AM
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I honestly don't know what to think of Tanguay. He seems to figure it out then fall off the face of the planet then figure it out again. I honestly don't have a clue as to how much I'd give him.
Plus, those peaks seem to coincide with his Calgary days and the valleys seem to occur with other teams he's played for since 2001. Much like Vrbata in Phoenix, Tanguay seems most happy and productive with his current team.

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3 yrs for 10mill is about right. Home town discount for a top 10 left winger in the league.

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Calgary will probably offer him a couple years at 2 mill per season. And its probably more than he'd get elsewhere. He has really good chemistry with Iginla.

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Are we talking about the same player....in Tampa he didnt know what D was, loved drop passes to no one (that was his specialist breakaway move) and couldnt set up anyone.

If Tanguay knows whats good for him, he will stay in Calgary where he seems to have found success again.

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3 yrs for 10mill is about right. Home town discount for a top 10 left winger in the league.
5 years ago maybe.

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I'd like him in Vancouver, I think he's look great on Kesler's wing. We wouldn't be able to offer any more than 2.5mil though, maybe he'd be willing to grab it for a chance at the cup?

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3 yrs for 10mill is about right. Home town discount for a top 10 left winger in the league.
Uhhh.. In no order...


Sedin
Ovechkin
Parise
Marleau
Eriksson
Lucic
Sharp
Kovalchuk
Vanek
Semin

I could probably add more before considering Tanguay.

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What most posters do not realize is that Tanguay is going to want to stay in Calgary as long a s Iginla is there. He won't chase money, as a flames fan who has watched him all year, I'm sure he'll stay at a discount. At least until Iginla's contract is up.

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Are we talking about the same player....in Tampa he didnt know what D was, loved drop passes to no one (that was his specialist breakaway move) and couldnt set up anyone.

If Tanguay knows whats good for him, he will stay in Calgary where he seems to have found success again.
I think that was a classic case of a player just not fitting in with a team. Tanguay hasnt lost a step from his first stint in Calgary and Brent has really coached him in the defensive aspect. Fans would still love to see him shoot more, because he has a great shot, but he is back making the trademark seam passes that made him so popular to begin with, so he sticks to it.

Flame fans may not agree with me, but IMO the most consistant forward on the team from game 1-76 or where we are today

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I think that was a classic case of a player just not fitting in with a team. Tanguay hasnt lost a step from his first stint in Calgary and Brent has really coached him in the defensive aspect. Fans would still love to see him shoot more, because he has a great shot, but he is back making the trademark seam passes that made him so popular to begin with, so he sticks to it.

Flame fans may not agree with me, but IMO the most consistant forward on the team from game 1-76 or where we are today
That's a hard one to argue.

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different situations first of all

With Stajan he was a pending UFA that the Flames were trying to stop from testing the market. Stajan was coming off a career year in both goals and points.

With Tanguay you have a player who likely does not want to test the market, a player who took the Flames offer on July 1st without listening to offers from other teams. A player who has had a great season but it was a bounce back season from a horrible year, where by his own accord his attitude was part of the problem and then to add to that he had serious injury problems the season before.

On the open market I think Tanguay gets 3.5 probably... but if he decides he wants to be a Flame I think he takes a decent discount
Tanguay is a player who would test the open market. He had a terrible year last year, thats why he jumped at the first offer that came to him. Just two seasons ago, no one wanted to sign him to the contract he was looking for, and he had to sign a one year deal with Tampa, hoping it would pay off. It didn't happen last year, but his numbers are back this year. Hes not a player who would take a discount.

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Tanguay is a player who would test the open market. He had a terrible year last year, thats why he jumped at the first offer that came to him. Just two seasons ago, no one wanted to sign him to the contract he was looking for, and he had to sign a one year deal with Tampa, hoping it would pay off. It didn't happen last year, but his numbers are back this year. Hes not a player who would take a discount.
you're wrong. He'll take a discount to stay in Calgary. Due to his age, chemsitry with iggy, and his experience in Tampa. He's a different person now.

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If he's smart, he'll give the Flames a number they can make work, and sign on for 2-3 years.

He won't make as much as he might get on the UFA market, but it's pretty clear that he's a good fit playing with Iginla, and after the troubles he had in Montreal/TB, why risk ending up in another crummy situation.

Problem is that given the Flames tight cap situation, forget about a raise, they might not even be able to match what he made this year.

Unless they find takers for guys like Kotalik/Hagman, they are going to have a tough time managing their cap situation.

With Langkow ready to come back and signed for a 4.5M cap hit next season, and Giordano's raise kicking in, they are in a position of needing to shed salary as it is, let alone adding talent or giving people raises.

Sutter really put this team behind the eight ball.

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Tanguay is a player who would test the open market. He had a terrible year last year, thats why he jumped at the first offer that came to him. Just two seasons ago, no one wanted to sign him to the contract he was looking for, and he had to sign a one year deal with Tampa, hoping it would pay off. It didn't happen last year, but his numbers are back this year. Hes not a player who would take a discount.
What has Tanguay done to make you think he is a guy that will test the UFA market? He has been a UFA twice in his career so far...

the first time when you claim he waited for a deal that never came, he wanted to re-sign with Montreal and wasn't given an offer... he was also coming off an injury plagued season and not many people seemed to be sure he was 100% healthy... and even if Tanguay waited for a better contract that summer can you blame him? he was coming off a season with 16g/41pts in 50 games (a 26g/67pt pace) and still he settled for a paycut of over 50%... not exactly the actions of a greedy player

last summer you are wrong on why... Tanguay was almost traded back to the Flames at the trade deadline, they had a deal in place but the Flames couldn't make the deal because for cap/financial reasons... he was excited to possibly be going back to Calgary then... and then when the Flames offered him a contract on July 1st he jumped at it because it was where he wanted to be... he wanted to be in a good situation for himself where he was happy again... and as he stated many times he wanted to play with Iginla again.

You can twist things however you want, but Tanguay has never done anything to show he is a greedy player that will chase the money. I'm not sure about the player you saw in Colorado, because I can't speak on that; but it is pretty apparent to everyone that he has matured since even his first stint in Calgary.

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Tanguay is a player who would test the open market. He had a terrible year last year, thats why he jumped at the first offer that came to him. Just two seasons ago, no one wanted to sign him to the contract he was looking for, and he had to sign a one year deal with Tampa, hoping it would pay off. It didn't happen last year, but his numbers are back this year. Hes not a player who would take a discount.
Did he do something in Colorado that indicated this? I'll be honest, my gut reaction to your comment is that it's a product of some bitterness, but I don't want to assume that and be unfair to you, particularly when you may know something I don't.

From his comments and body language (and purported willingness to waive his NTC to go to Calgary last year) he seems to enjoy it there and gives off the impression of a guy who would accept a hometown discount, but you can never really know until it happens. He seems to be a pretty intelligent guy, and for all I know he just knows the right things to say to the media.

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Top line talent? really? ... I could be wrong but how many other teams would he be on their top line?
He is 40th in scoring in the league. Given there are theoretically 90 top line players in the league, Tanguay is producing like one and anyone can tell he is one of the more skill players. Add that to his versatility, hockey smarts and good two-way game and he IS a top line talent. Now go away and figure out what your gonna say when the presidents trophy curse happens to your team.

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Lets be real here, the only reason Tanguay signed a one year deal in Calgary last year was so he could resurrect his career and have a big payday this off season. You have to take in to account that he is 31 and this will be his last big contract as a player. I see him wanting a contract in the range of 3.5-4.0 mil over 4 years.

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