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03-22-2011, 06:44 PM
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Martin Brodeur: "Price should have no difficulties winning the Vezina"

http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/ho...ur-price.shtml

Price ne devrait pas avoir trop de difficulté à le gagner.

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Price ne devrait pas avoir trop de difficulté à le gagner.
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How could he win it easily ? There are other candidates who have impressive stats as well. I know he's keeping competitive what is basically the Bulldogs, but is that even taken into account ? Who votes for the Vezina anyway ?

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How could he win it easily ? There are other candidates who have impressive stats as well. I know he's keeping competitive what is basically the Bulldogs, but is that even taken into account ? Who votes for the Vezina anyway ?
The GM votes for the Vezina.

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Thomas' stats are tough to overlook, but I hope Price gets the nod.

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Is he trying to jinx Price ?

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Depends how much value the GMs give to games played. This is the only way Price gets the nod over Thomas.

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Depends how much value the GMs give to games played. This is the only way Price gets the nod over Thomas.
Price had almost 400 shots more on him than Thomas. That's important.

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I think the big difference between Price and Thomas is imo that Price is probably a lot more talked about in the other team's gameplan than Thomas is. Thomas is nowhere near as important to his team as Price is for ours.

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did he mean this year?

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If you look at Price's age, games, team and talent in front of him compared to that of Thomas you would have to think Price is more valuable to the Habs than Thomas. Thomas doesn't even play the bulk of the games because Rask is a #1B goalie in Boston. Look at the head to head too, Thomas gets schooled by Price and the Habs or doesn't even dress.

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Price ne devrait pas avoir trop de difficulté à le gagner.
Nice to hear.. He does deserve a lot of credit for what he has done with the team in front of him this season.. His numbers would look even better had there not been so many injuries to defensemen this season.

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I think Price is more likely for the Hart than Veznia.

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I think Price is more likely for the Hart than Veznia.
Has a goalie ever won the Hart without winning the Vezina?

I could understand the logic behind it, but I doubt it.

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03-22-2011, 11:11 PM
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Honestly I love Price and I think he's been awesome but I think the Vezina belongs to Thomas this year, unless he implodes at some point before the end of the season. Sure Carey played more games, but Thomas' stats are just that good.

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no matter who gets it, there's going to be a camp that thinks the other should have gotten it. and no matter which camp they are, they're going to be right. that's why individual awards don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

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Honestly I love Price and I think he's been awesome but I think the Vezina belongs to Thomas this year, unless he implodes at some point before the end of the season. Sure Carey played more games, but Thomas' stats are just that good.
Put into perspective that Price has 13 wins against non-playoff teams in his 34 wins in 65 games played, compared to Thomas who has 15 wins against non-playoff teams in his 30 wins in 50 games.

Price has 21 games won against playoff teams, Thomas has 15 wins against playoff teams. To me that stat says more to me for Price than that of Thomas. Not to mention what Price has has had to play behind in D with the injuries as the Habs have dressed 12 different Dmen this year, and 3 of them are rookies.

Thomas has a Norris winning Dman in front of him, and has a team +41 to Habs +13...Price is needing to win games 1-0 to 2-1 compared to what Thomas needs in a victory.

Dig deep in the stats and Price to me comes out on top.

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but but but our great hockey brains are saying Tomas..

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How could he win it easily ? There are other candidates who have impressive stats as well. I know he's keeping competitive what is basically the Bulldogs, but is that even taken into account ? Who votes for the Vezina anyway ?
Because if you take EVERYTHING into consideration, Price has accomplished a lot more with a lot less, and there's no question about this.
If you want to push it even more, you can bring up the fact that he's just a darn kid at 23 while the other top goalies are all mature veterans (Miller 30, Lundqvist 29, Luongo 31, Thomas 36). He's playing in the hottest pressure cooker of the NHL, and he responded that well after the local hero of last spring, Halak, got traded. Let's not forget Price was also booed in the 1st period of the 1st pre-season game.
#1 in Minutes.
#1 in Wins.
#2 in Shots Againsts (Ward is #1).
#3 in GAA for goalies with 55GP+ so far (only Rinne and Lundqvist are higher).
#2 in Saves.
#3 in Games Played (three way tie with Ward and Lundqvist. Put him 3rd because he started for 63games).
#2 in Sv% for goalies with 55GP+ so far (Rinne #1).
#2 in SO (Lundqvist #1).

When you look at these stats, on top of realizing he's done this with a completely crippled blueline, while having all the pressure in the world and only being 23, then absolutely, this guy should win it EASILY. Brodeur is absolutely right.
Should they consider all of this when making their decision? Absolutely.


People talk a lot about Thomas, but like Brodeur said, the guy has played 50 games. To me, in order to be considered the best goalie of the whole league, you need to have played at least 75% of the games, which is 62.
The biggest rival for Price is Lundqvist. But, again, when you look at the important injuries we had on our blue line, the decision becomes much easier.


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Put into perspective that Price has 13 wins against non-playoff teams in his 34 wins in 65 games played, compared to Thomas who has 15 wins against non-playoff teams in his 30 wins in 50 games.

Price has 21 games won against playoff teams, Thomas has 15 wins against playoff teams. To me that stat says more to me for Price than that of Thomas. Not to mention what Price has has had to play behind in D with the injuries as the Habs have dressed 12 different Dmen this year, and 3 of them are rookies.

Thomas has a Norris winning Dman in front of him, and has a team +41 to Habs +13...Price is needing to win games 1-0 to 2-1 compared to what Thomas needs in a victory.

Dig deep in the stats and Price to me comes out on top.
Sure but Thomas is first in both GAA and SV%. And Price is 9th and 7th. But as I said I'm rooting for Price for sure. My opinion is just that in the end Thomas is going to get it, and it's not going to be a bad choice. They're both having amazing years, it's a shame there's only one Vezina trophy.

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03-22-2011, 11:57 PM
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Sure but Thomas is first in both GAA and SV%. And Price is 9th and 7th. But as I said I'm rooting for Price for sure. My opinion is just that in the end Thomas is going to get it, and it's not going to be a bad choice. They're both having amazing years, it's a shame there's only one Vezina trophy.
You have to tell me who you counted in order for Price to drop down to 9th and 7th.

Thomas has played 50 games...He's likely to finish the year with not even 60 games played...How can someone with not even 60 games even be considered for the Vezina?
We're talking about a difference of almost 1000 minutes. That is huge. To make even worse, Thomas has started in 48 Games only.

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To be honest, I'd prefer no Calder for Subban or Vezina for Price. A lot of guys seem to take a step back after winning individual trophies. Don't know if it's the psychological thing of plateauing, or whatever.

I think it's just unfounded paranoia, though.

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You have to tell me who you counted in order for Price to drop down to 9th and 7th.

Thomas has played 50 games...He's likely to finish the year with not even 60 games played...How can someone with not even 60 games even be considered for the Vezina?
We're talking about a difference of almost 1000 minutes. That is huge. To make even worse, Thomas has started in 48 Games only.
I looked at the leaderboards on nhl.com. Anyways I'm not looking to get into a debate here, I just said I think Thomas is going to win, and that he's having a great year, just like Price. We'll see who's right in June. That being said, I'm rooting for Carey and I'll be very happy if he wins.

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Thomas is the most overrated goalie in the league. He's streaky, where as Price is just consistent.

Comparing the two is a freaking joke.

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