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04-18-2011, 05:30 PM
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Any idea's on the left wingers that are available? This team is dying for some creativity I'd love to see Hemsky or Gaborik switch over to the the Left side and give us a first line of...

Hemsky - Richards - Gaborik
Gaborik is playing his way off this team.

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04-18-2011, 05:36 PM
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Any idea's on the left wingers that are available? This team is dying for some creativity I'd love to see Hemsky or Gaborik switch over to the the Left side and give us a first line of...

Hemsky - Richards - Gaborik
Howabout Tanguay? He's revived his career as Iginla's 'feeder' and scored 22 goals and 47 assists last year.

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Tanguay is best known for his playmaking skills and ability to set his teammates up for scoring opportunities. His speed and passing skills are considered his strongest attributes. Calgary teammates Olli Jokinen and Jarome Iginla both praised his ability to find a way to pass the puck to them, even when they don't think he can do so.

He has been criticized for not shooting the puck enough, resulting in the view that his goal totals could be higher. Tanguay has good shooting ability; He led the league in shooting percentage in 2005–06 and finished third in 2006–07 with an average of 23.2% both seasons. He is also a top player in the shootout, and leads the league with nine shootout goals in 2010–11.
He made a little less than $2 million last year as he was playing for his next contract after having some down years.

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I think it is safe to say that Drury won't be just gone. Include his buyout numbers, redo your calculations, and then you have my attention. Otherwise, this cap-math was a waste of time for you.
Its very simple. Subtract 3.5 million from the cap space......Do I now have your attention?

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04-18-2011, 05:39 PM
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is markov an ufa?
Yep. This is his final year on his contract with the Habs.

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04-18-2011, 05:41 PM
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Gaborik is playing his way off this team.
Hes been better in the playoffs - just cant buy a goal. Sure, he doesnt fit with Tortorella's vision of a grinding/hard forechecking team, and he never will, but being this organization is so devoid of top end talent, I cant see any way he wont be a Ranger next year.

Besides, that would be just another example of this franchise moving in neutral. Whats the point in signing Richards if its not to play with Gaborik?

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04-18-2011, 05:45 PM
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Since everyone is doing it; here is Fitzy's dream lineup for next season... (Disclaimer, particular sequence of moves and signings incredibly unlikely)

Redden terminates contract
Drury retires
Avery and Boogaard are buried in Hartford
Wolski is dealt at the draft for a 3rd round pick
Gaborik is dealt to LA for Dustin Brown and Davis Drewiske

Signings;

Richards (7 years, 6 per)
Prospal (1 year, 2 mil)
Fedotenko (1 year, 1 mil)
Markov (4 years, 5.5 per)
Rupp (4 years, 1.5 per)
Eminger (1 year, 1.5 per)

RFAs

Dubi (4 per)
Cally (4 per)
AA (2 per)
Boyle (2 per)
Sauer (2 per)

Lineup...

Prospal-Richards-Brown
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Fedotenko-Stepan-Thomas/Zucc/Hagelin
Rupp-Boyle-Prust
EC

Staal-Girardi
Markov-Sauer
McD-Eminger
Drewiske

Lundqvist
Biron

Power Play;

Thomas-Prospal-Brown
Markov-Richards

Dubinsky-Boyle-Callahan
McD-Stepan

Not to toot my own horn but the numbers work; squeeze a few out of the RFAs and could even potentially work with a Drury buyout instead of retirement.

Is that a lineup that can compete? I think so, yes.

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04-18-2011, 05:54 PM
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Since everyone is doing it; here is Fitzy's dream lineup for next season... (Disclaimer, particular sequence of moves and signings incredibly unlikely)

Redden terminates contract
Drury retires
Avery and Boogaard are buried in Hartford
Wolski is dealt at the draft for a 3rd round pick
Gaborik is dealt to LA for Dustin Brown and Davis Drewiske

Signings;

Richards (7 years, 6 per)
Prospal (1 year, 2 mil)
Fedotenko (1 year, 1 mil)
Markov (4 years, 5.5 per)
Rupp (4 years, 1.5 per)
Eminger (1 year, 1.5 per)

RFAs

Dubi (4 per)
Cally (4 per)
AA (2 per)
Boyle (2 per)
Sauer (2 per)

Lineup...

Prospal-Richards-Brown
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Fedotenko-Stepan-Thomas/Zucc/Hagelin
Rupp-Boyle-Prust
EC

Staal-Girardi
Markov-Sauer
McD-Eminger
Drewiske

Lundqvist
Biron

Power Play;

Thomas-Prospal-Brown
Markov-Richards

Dubinsky-Boyle-Callahan
McD-Stepan

Not to toot my own horn but the numbers work; squeeze a few out of the RFAs and could even potentially work with a Drury buyout instead of retirement.

Is that a lineup that can compete? I think so, yes.
not a fan fitzy...especially if thats a dream lineup

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04-18-2011, 05:56 PM
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Since everyone is doing it; here is Fitzy's dream lineup for next season... (Disclaimer, particular sequence of moves and signings incredibly unlikely)

Redden terminates contract
Drury retires
Avery and Boogaard are buried in Hartford
Wolski is dealt at the draft for a 3rd round pick
Gaborik is dealt to LA for Dustin Brown and Davis Drewiske

Signings;

Richards (7 years, 6 per)
Prospal (1 year, 2 mil)
Fedotenko (1 year, 1 mil)
Markov (4 years, 5.5 per)
Rupp (4 years, 1.5 per)
Eminger (1 year, 1.5 per)

RFAs

Dubi (4 per)
Cally (4 per)
AA (2 per)
Boyle (2 per)
Sauer (2 per)

Lineup...

Prospal-Richards-Brown
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Fedotenko-Stepan-Thomas/Zucc/Hagelin
Rupp-Boyle-Prust
EC

Staal-Girardi
Markov-Sauer
McD-Eminger
Drewiske

Lundqvist
Biron

Power Play;

Thomas-Prospal-Brown
Markov-Richards

Dubinsky-Boyle-Callahan
McD-Stepan

Not to toot my own horn but the numbers work; squeeze a few out of the RFAs and could even potentially work with a Drury buyout instead of retirement.

Is that a lineup that can compete? I think so, yes.
You put Gabby in your lineup , and nvm

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04-18-2011, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
Since everyone is doing it; here is Fitzy's dream lineup for next season... (Disclaimer, particular sequence of moves and signings incredibly unlikely)

Redden terminates contract
Drury retires
Avery and Boogaard are buried in Hartford

Wolski is dealt at the draft for a 3rd round pick

Gaborik is dealt to LA for Dustin Brown and Davis Drewiske

Signings;

Richards (7 years, 6 per)
Prospal (1 year, 2 mil)
Fedotenko (1 year, 1 mil)
Markov (4 years, 5.5 per)
Rupp (4 years, 1.5 per)
Eminger (1 year, 1.5 per)

RFAs

Dubi (4 per)
Cally (4 per)
AA (2 per)
Boyle (2 per)
Sauer (2 per)

Lineup...

Prospal-Richards-Brown
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Fedotenko-Stepan-Thomas/Zucc/Hagelin
Rupp-Boyle-Prust
EC

Staal-Girardi
Markov-Sauer
McD-Eminger
Drewiske

Lundqvist
Biron

Power Play;

Thomas-Prospal-Brown
Markov-Richards

Dubinsky-Boyle-Callahan
McD-Stepan

Not to toot my own horn but the numbers work; squeeze a few out of the RFAs and could even potentially work with a Drury buyout instead of retirement.

Is that a lineup that can compete? I think so, yes.

this makes no sense.

hes got 2 points in 3 playoff games so far.

and 5 points in his last 7 games.

gaborik has zero points in 3 playoff games.

and 3 points in those same 7 games.

his cap hit, although not cheap, isnt terrible. hes talented and skilled- something we lack. hes not a perfect torts system guy but a team so void of talent would be foolish moving him for a 3rd rounder in this years weak draft. moving him that way is nothing more than a salary dump. no way is he that bad.

hes been here less than 1 year. to do what you want to do amounts to giving him away for nothing. at his age, and with his skills, thats a big mistake imo especially for a team in need of what he can bring- albeit not nearly often enough.

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04-18-2011, 06:06 PM
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I tried, through dealing Wolski and Gaborik and incorporating Brown, to make it as Tortorella friendly a lineup as possible. Little to no soft players, a lot of north south guys. Markov being the most notable exception, but he is good enough to make it worthwhile.

If dealing Wolski would turn out to be the difference between Markov and no Markov, I do it in a heartbeat because that top defenseman is this organization's 2nd biggest need next to a #1 center. We haven't had a defenseman of Markovs caliber since Brian Leetch.

That lineup gets us both, and grittier, which is why I chose it.

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I tried, through dealing Wolski and Gaborik and incorporating Brown, to make it as Tortorella friendly a lineup as possible. Little to no soft players, a lot of north south guys. Markov being the most notable exception, but he is good enough to make it worthwhile.

If dealing Wolski would turn out to be the difference between Markov and no Markov, I do it in a heartbeat because that top defenseman is this organization's 2nd biggest need next to a #1 center. We haven't had a defenseman of Markovs caliber since Brian Leetch.

That lineup gets us both, and grittier, which is why I chose it.
I thought you did a good job, well thought out. My only concern would be giving Markov 4 years due to his injury history, but other than that I'd take that roster any day.

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It's irrelevant because Hank's "timeline" isn't 2 or 3 years from now. Given the longevity of modern goaltenders, he's likely play for another decade.



How could they possibly be skewed? Our best player regressed by 50%, and we still managed to perform better than last year. If you're using some odd measuring stick where goal totals above 5 don't count, then that would be considered "skewed" because you're not considering all of the data.

The team has shown several times that they can run up the score. Whether that be 3, 4, 5, or even 8 goals, it really makes no difference. The problem is they cannot capture that success consistently, not that they're unable to do it at all.
Agreed about the consistency and I'm glad you know how long Hank's career will be... I'm quite certain he'd like a shot at a cup at some point. I just don't wanna wait until he's Brodeur's age for him to get it.

If you think the scoring is fine, great.

I don't. I'm sick of the BS powerplay. I'm sick of feeling like on any given night us getting shut out is a distinct possibility. I'm sick of hoping that Boyle or Prust can pot just one more goal in their career yr.

I'd love to see some consistency. Love to.

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With due diligence by our GM...wishful thinking I know...and we found a coach that could make a PP work even if we have to add a specialist that can run it on the ice...this team could add 10 points at least to our stats with our D and the King in net .

It is such a simple thing that hurts us...but yet other teams do well at it and get wins because of it where we fight like heck to get into OT for a single point .

Surely there must be somebody out there we can utilize as a PP specialist that we could add to aid Richards if we actually sign him . Anybody have any cheap solutions to fix our PP... a new assistant coach...a new blueline boomer or a passing specialist ??? IMO...that has to be the # 1 priority and quite possibly it might just involve a new PP coach and some on ice tweaking by him to get us going .

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Once we get a real top line, Torts isn't going to have to play "Torts hockey" with his top line or he's dumb. Gabby can float all he wants if he can convert the goals that Richards can put on his stick, and especially if we get a defensively responsible power forward type of guy to go on the LW so we can have PF-playmaker-Sniper that's a perfect line.

I'd rather not deal Gaborik.

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What does Grabner have to do with the #3 pick?
Florida tried to pass Grabner through waivers at the start of the season and lost him when he was claimed by the Fishsticks...he is now a ROY canidate

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Skip Richards, Trade Gabby for something good, and get rid of Wolski.

In that order.

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Skip Richards, Trade Gabby for something good, and get rid of Wolski.

In that order.
So you want the whole team to be a bunch of checkers, grinders and two way forwards? No thanks. Those teams don't win squat.

You simply deepen the team by adding Richards while adding a whole new dimension. The reason why we have to play the style we play is because of the fact that we don't have Richards. Adding Richards and keeping Gaborik only add to the tricks in Tort's arsenal, it allows him to do something other than cycling and board play.

People are forgetting that the type of game the Rangers play isn't by choice, they play it because they can't play it any other way.

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So what's the backup plan if we don't get Richards?

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So what's the backup plan if we don't get Richards?
Be prepared for another season of not knowing if we're in the playoffs until game 82 is over.

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Be prepared for another season of not knowing if we're in the playoffs until game 82 is over.
Seeing as he's pretty much a persona non grata in Buffalo now, maybe Derek Roy as a stopgap?

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So what's the backup plan if we don't get Richards?
I imagine it would be to either stay put. Upgrade the D with a puck-mover like Pitkanen, McCabe or Markov. Or find the next Fedotenko and Frolov. Perhaps we take a chance on Tanguay for his speed, passing and creativity, or Gagne or Cole or something for a year.

Then next year we can hope for a guy like Penner, Hemsky, Liles, Sharp, Burns or Suter.

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Seeing as he's pretty much a persona non grata in Buffalo now, maybe Derek Roy as a stopgap?
That would be Tim Connolly, for a year he'd be great, nothing longer than that though. Derek Roy isn't a FA for another 2-3 years.

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That would be Tim Connolly, for a year he'd be great, nothing longer than that though. Derek Roy isn't a FA for another 2-3 years.
I'm saying Roy as a trade target. Pegula can't stand him apparently and I know a healthy segment of the fans don't want him back. He's got a 4 mil cap hit the next two years. I'm sure it'll take a good prospect, pick, and bench player to get him, but I think he'd be worth it if we miss out on Richards.

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Agreed about the consistency and I'm glad you know how long Hank's career will be... I'm quite certain he'd like a shot at a cup at some point. I just don't wanna wait until he's Brodeur's age for him to get it.

If you think the scoring is fine, great.

I don't. I'm sick of the BS powerplay. I'm sick of feeling like on any given night us getting shut out is a distinct possibility. I'm sick of hoping that Boyle or Prust can pot just one more goal in their career yr.

I'd love to see some consistency. Love to.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the scoring was "fine" and I never said I knew precisely how long Hank would continue to play.

I don't care who you bring in here this summer, the PP isn't going to get any better until we get a better strategy. Passing back and forth between players that never move more than a few feet in either direction just isn't a recipe for success.

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Fitzy Duke of NY sez:

Sign Richards 7 years, 6 per

Lets take a deeeeep breath here.
Slats biggest mistake on FA signings is bidding against himself and absurd length of deals for flawed players.
I doubt any team is making an offer even close to that.

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