Quick lets in a soft goal -> shootout -> Quick win = Saved by shootout
Defense breaks down -> shootout -> Quick win = Quick saves team in shootout.
Sure, some of the shootouts have resulted from the team playing well enough to win and Quick giving up a softie goal that leads to a shootout.
But also Quick's play in the shootout has earned the team an extra point they haven't always deserved because they played a poor game.
Regardless of how we get to the shootout though, we should all be happy that Quick is dominant in them.
... But it's not just a case of "Quick's dominant in the shootout." As with overall wins, shootout wins is a team statistic.
The Kings' overall save percentage in the shootout is .783, good for 7th in the league. Admittedly, Bernier's poor performance in his two shootouts is driving the team's overall number down. So, let's just use Quick's shootout SV% (.829) for the team total; if we do that, the Kings would be tied (with Pittsburgh) for 4th in the NHL. That's excellent.
But, the Kings' skaters have a shooting percentage of 39.1% in the shootout, and that's 4th in the NHL by itself. If we just isolate the shootouts in which Quick has played, the number gets even better - a 42.5% shooting percentage, which would be good for 3rd in the NHL. So, it's safe to say that the Kings are just as good on offense (if not a bit better, relative to the league) as they are in goaltending in the shootout.
So, I look at it like this - Quick's not carrying the Kings in the shootout, at all. Both the team and the goaltender have been equally good, and actually if you want to break it down like I did - the team has been better offensively and has had slightly more to do with Quick's wins in the shootout than Quick has. It's still my feeling that it's more true to say that Quick has been bailed out by the shootout, and not bailing the Kings out in it.
Quick lets in a soft goal -> shootout -> Quick win = Saved by shootout.
Here is where it doesn't even out. In the playoffs he's not going to have the opportunity to "save us in a shootout" (even though he's really saving himself) and I'm not confident in Quick with the way he's playing right now that he's not going to cost us with another soft goal in overtime in the playoffs.
Here is where it doesn't even out. In the playoffs he's not going to have the opportunity to "save us in a shootout" (even though he's really saving himself) and I'm not confident in Quick with the way he's playing right now that he's not going to cost us with another soft goal in overtime in the playoffs.
Give it a rest guys, seriously,
You act as if Quick is the only goaltender in the NHL to ever give up a soft goal.
You don't mention that he flat out robbed Pavelski minutes before that goal, you don't mention how many times he has stood on his head to keep the Kings in games, but it's always about the one soft goal that EVERY team has to put up with,
Are we still putting down Quick? It's getting old. It seems like the more successful this team gets, the more we sound like redwings fans, always complaining about something
... But it's not just a case of "Quick's dominant in the shootout." As with overall wins, shootout wins is a team statistic.
The Kings' overall save percentage in the shootout is .783, good for 7th in the league. Admittedly, Bernier's poor performance in his two shootouts is driving the team's overall number down. So, let's just use Quick's shootout SV% (.829) for the team total; if we do that, the Kings would be tied (with Pittsburgh) for 4th in the NHL. That's excellent.
But, the Kings' skaters have a shooting percentage of 39.1% in the shootout, and that's 4th in the NHL by itself. If we just isolate the shootouts in which Quick has played, the number gets even better - a 42.5% shooting percentage, which would be good for 3rd in the NHL. So, it's safe to say that the Kings are just as good on offense (if not a bit better, relative to the league) as they are in goaltending in the shootout.
So, I look at it like this - Quick's not carrying the Kings in the shootout, at all. Both the team and the goaltender have been equally good, and actually if you want to break it down like I did - the team has been better offensively and has had slightly more to do with Quick's wins in the shootout than Quick has. It's still my feeling that it's more true to say that Quick has been bailed out by the shootout, and not bailing the Kings out in it.
Hmmm. The skaters do have some offensive skills. I wonder what could be holding them back from scoring anytime but the shootout?
24.2 Procedure - The Referee shall ask to have announced over the public address system the name of the player designated by him or selected by the team entitled to take the shot (as appropriate). He shall then place the puck on the center face-off spot and the player taking the shot will, on the instruction of the Referee (by blowing his whistle), play the puck from there and shall attempt to score on the goalkeeper. The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent’s goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete. No goal can be scored on a rebound of any kind (an exception being the puck off the goal post or crossbar, then the goalkeeper and then directly into the goal), and any time the puck crosses the goal line or comes to a complete stop, the shot shall be considered complete.
Completely agree.
The shot was illegal. The rules are not that loose at all, it only takes refs to do their job. Unfortunately in SO they seem to take a vacation. On slow HD replay it is clearly visible that the last part of the move was not a toe drag, during the puck movement backwards the puck is not touching the stick. So:
- the puck moves forward
- the stick touches the puck
- the puck is moving backwards without the stick keeping the contact
---> illegal move
I think the shooter himself thought he screwed up, he was looking at the refs if they are going to let him go. They did, because when it comes to SO, all NHL officials are completely incompetent.
You act as if Quick is the only goaltender in the NHL to ever give up a soft goal.
You don't mention that he flat out robbed Pavelski minutes before that goal, you don't mention how many times he has stood on his head to keep the Kings in games, but it's always about the one soft goal that EVERY team has to put up with,
My god you guys are sad....
Quick fans are really blinded by the shootout. The second San Jose goal was one of the softest I have seen (aside from the goal he let in from the red line on a dump-in) and it's not like I or others are complaining about ONE soft goal, but more about his one soft goal EVERY GAME.
You probably know that there aren't shootouts in playoffs.. He's not going to be able to cover up his soft goals with a shotoout performance when that time comes around.
Quick fans are really blinded by the shootout. The second San Jose goal was one of the softest I have seen (aside from the goal he let in from the red line on a dump-in) and it's not like I or others are complaining about ONE soft goal, but more about his one soft goal EVERY GAME.
You probably know that there aren't shootouts in playoffs.. He's not going to be able to cover up his soft goals with a shotoout performance when that time comes around.
How you can't see that shootouts are saving Quick, but let alone laugh or SCOFF at the thought is beyond me.
How you can't see that Quick is saving us THIS WHOLE SEASON, but whine about him in the shootouts is laughable. It seems like some Kings fans are never satisfied....
Funny how you completely ignore how he robbed Pavelski, but hey, that's his job right?
Seriously bud? Seriously?
Soft goals definitely happen. Even to Luongo and Fleury, but they don't happen nearly as often to them as they do to Jonathan Quick. The biggest of Quick fans will tell you that much. That's the last point I would expect a Quick fan to make isn't that he doesn't let in the "soft goal" all to often.
How you can't see that Quick is saving us THIS WHOLE SEASON, but whine about him in the shootouts is laughable. It seems like some Kings fans are never satisfied....
I would say Quick definitely has SOME to do with the Kings success, but he isn't some "hero" like most Quick fans make him out to be. I would say the solid team defense (one of the best) is what is most responsible for the Kings wins.
Jonathan Bernier Last 10 Starts:
.934 SV%, with a 1.78 GAA
Jonathan Quick Last 10 Stats:
.899 SV%, 2.76 GAA
Now.. Defend THAT.
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Soft goals definitely happen. Even to Luongo and Fleury, but they don't happen nearly as often to them as they do to Jonathan Quick. The biggest of Quick fans will tell you that much. That's the last point I would expect a Quick fan to make isn't that he doesn't let in the "soft goal" all to often.
Not as often? Sorry, I am willing to bet Luongo has let in just as many if not more "soft" goals than Quick, first one comes to mind is the Neidermayer goal that knocked Vancouver out of the playoffs, not sure what year,
Regardless, if all you want to do is focus on the let's say 15 GA that you call soft, out of 118 GA or 12% of the goals instead of 1333 saves that keeps LA in the games...well then you just define the old adage that says people will always find something to ***** about...
I would say Quick definitely has SOME to do with the Kings success, but he isn't some "hero" like most Quick fans make him out to be. I would say the solid team defense (one of the best) is what is most responsible for the Kings wins.
Jonathan Bernier Last 10 Starts:
.934 SV%, with a 1.78 GAA
Jonathan Quick Last 10 Stats:
.899 SV%, 2.76 GAA
Now.. Defend THAT.
Jonathan Quick 54 games played 32 wins, .919 save percentage,
Why does every PGT have to turn into a battle over the goalies? I just don't get it. Yes, Quick lets in soft goals, so does every goalie including Bernier. Yes, Quick is good in the shootout and Bernier isn't. Yes, Bernier has better numbers over the last 10 games. Neither goalie is the MVP or the "hero" for the Kings this season. They are both good. They are both young. End of story.
Jonathan Quick 54 games played 32 wins, .919 save percentage,
That was easy, what's next?
I'm glad you simply just bypassed Quicks poor play down the stretch. Don't worry though. He'll let in a soft goal from the boards, but eventually win in a shootout against one of the worst teams in the league.
I'm glad you simply just bypassed Quicks poor play down the stretch. Don't worry though. He'll let in a soft goal from the boards, but eventually win in a shootout against one of the worst teams in the league.
Probably, and more often, he will rob some poor schmuck who was already celebrating a goal, and keep his team in the game to win those games, but hey, you like to focus on the 2% so have at it.
Why does every PGT have to turn into a battle over the goalies? I just don't get it. Yes, Quick lets in soft goals, so does every goalie including Bernier. Yes, Quick is good in the shootout and Bernier isn't. Yes, Bernier has better numbers over the last 10 games. Neither goalie is the MVP or the "hero" for the Kings this season. They are both good. They are both young. End of story.
One correction: some post-win PGTs turn into "Dustin Brown is a terrible captain" or Ryan Smyth isn't an NHL forward" arguments as well. It isn't always about the goalies
I would say Quick definitely has SOME to do with the Kings success, but he isn't some "hero" like most Quick fans make him out to be. I would say the solid team defense (one of the best) is what is most responsible for the Kings wins.
