i think the ideal long term/asset mgmt situation would be to have varly have an outstanding playoff run, raise his value and then deal him in the summer.....leaving the caps with holtby/neuvy in a 1a/1b type situaiton.
Still going with Varlamov. Either way, I just hope they get value for the odd man out. Any 2 of them is great, and hopefully 1 develops into a bonafide 50+ game stud. But three's a crowd.
i have faith that both holtby and neuvy can be great nhl playoff goaltenders as well.
Two points:
1- Niemi wasn't close to outstanding in the playoffs last year: 2.63 GAA and .910 save %.
2- Losing Niemi wasn't the best outcome for Chicago. They've had issues with inconsistency in goal this season.
So yeah, don't see your point. If you've got a guy that's proven to be outstanding in the playoffs, you keep him. You don't hope that other guys can be that one day.
yeah, that's the point. the raw emotion gets tempered, the competitiveness drives him to excel. hell, he's calmed down just this season. but i like emotion. i can think of some pretty decent goalies with quite a few cup rings who played with emotion.
Oh me likey his fire. He's gonna be a good one. I don't see it taking long before he has his first NHL fight. lol
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Originally Posted by NobodyBeatsTheWiz
I'm still sticking with Varly. I think the kid has HOF talent and has "it" as much as Holtby does. Lest we forget, Varly allowed 2 goals in the first 4 playoff games of his career (after only having 6 career reg. season games), with 2 shutouts. Isn't he the youngest ever to record a playoff shutout at MSG? When you break a goal tending record set by Patrick Roy, you're doing something right
Call it blind faith that he'll overcome his injury woes.
On a related note, can anyone think of a successful NHL goalie that had nagging injury concerns for his first few years in the league?
I hope he does too for no other reason than it makes the decision who to keep that much more difficult. That also means trade value is higher for the odd man out.
1- Niemi wasn't close to outstanding in the playoffs last year: 2.63 GAA and .910 save %.
2- Losing Niemi wasn't the best outcome for Chicago. They've had issues with inconsistency in goal this season.
So yeah, don't see your point. If you've got a guy that's proven to be outstanding in the playoffs, you keep him. You don't hope that other guys can be that one day.
Even with Varly's injury history? So say Varly does have a nice playoff run.....which one do you deal, keeping in mind asset mgmt?
Even with Varly's injury history? So say Varly does have a nice playoff run.....which one do you deal, keeping in mind asset mgmt?
None of them. Holtby can hone his craft in Hershey, and Neuvirth can be one of the better backups in the league. There's no reason why you'd have to deal any of them.
None of them. Holtby can hone his craft in Hershey, and Neuvirth can be one of the better backups in the league. There's no reason why you'd have to deal any of them.
At some point you have to deal one of them. Maybe not this summer but probably the next.
Then you worry about it next summer. We'll have a wealth of new information about all 3 goalies by then.
That's fine if all of them have good years therefore keeping their value high. My point was if Varly has a good playoff run, his value will never be higher.
1- Niemi wasn't close to outstanding in the playoffs last year: 2.63 GAA and .910 save %. 2- Losing Niemi wasn't the best outcome for Chicago. They've had issues with inconsistency in goal this season.
So yeah, don't see your point. If you've got a guy that's proven to be outstanding in the playoffs, you keep him. You don't hope that other guys can be that one day.
Only problem with Hawks goaltending this year was our idiot coach giving an over the hill vet months of the season to prove he wasn't finished. Turco is finished and it has hurt the Hawks as Crawford became our #1 later then he should have
That's fine if all of them have good years therefore keeping their value high. My point was if Varly has a good playoff run, his value will never be higher.
So what? The Caps aren't rebuilding. They're trying to win championships. They need to do all they can to keep the players that give them the best chance of doing that.
And goalies don't have much value on the trade market anyway, especially one who's agent has chirped about the KHL.
Only problem with Hawks goaltending this year was our idiot coach giving an over the hill vet months of the season to prove he wasn't finished. Turco is finished and it has hurt the Hawks as Crawford became our #1 later then he should have
Crawford is playing better then Niemi did last year behind a much inferior team
As for your goalie situation I think you should move Varlamov's RFA rights this summer and go with Haltby/Neuvirth as your future in net
Turco was intended as the player to replace Niemi as starter though. If Chicago management had faith that Crawford was going to be the starter, they wouldn't have signed Turco.
Turco was intended as the player to replace Niemi as starter though. If Chicago management had faith that Crawford was going to be the starter, they wouldn't have signed Turco.
Actually it was intended for Turco to be our #1 and Craw to be our #1B. No team will throw a rookie netminder as there #1 to start a year coming off a cup. Crawford was supposed to play role as 35-40 game guy but took the #1 job and ran with it
Turco was brought in over other vets (Theodore) because of his reputation as good with young netminders
So what? The Caps aren't rebuilding. They're trying to win championships. They need to do all they can to keep the players that give them the best chance of doing that.
And goalies don't have much value on the trade market anyway, especially one who's agent has chirped about the KHL.
So you are saying a 22 year old, former 1st round goalie coming off a deep playoff run wouldn't have much value? I'll agree to disagree.
And Wiz, you are right, the Caps are trying to win championships which is another reason why it does them no good to have such valuable assets in Hershey. Cash in and help the big club.
So you are saying a 22 year old, former 1st round goalie coming off a deep playoff run wouldn't have much value? I'll agree to disagree.
That's exactly what I'm saying. And so what if Holtby is in Hershey? It won't hurt his development and if anything, if lessens the value of his second contract.
That's exactly what I'm saying. And so what if Holtby is in Hershey? It won't hurt his development and if anything, if lessens the value of his second contract.
At some point you have to deal one of them. Maybe not this summer but probably the next.
Or the season afterward as that is when Neuvy's second year of that contract will expire and Holtby will be an RFA. Pending on what Varly signs for this summer then you can play him off against the other 2 to keep their contracts down as well. GMGM should have a concrete idea by then which 2 he's going to keep and will be able to move one at his leisure and from a position of strength to get the best deal he can.
