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03-27-2011, 11:08 AM
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Avs - Leafs (draft day)

Hai Der, I'm back :3

Looking at another thread, I can see that the Avs most needed positions are at wing and defence. While the Leafs obviously need a skilled #1C, that is relatively young.

Proposal:

To Leafs:
Paul Stastny
- PPG Centre, Relatively young
2nd/3rd Round Pick 2012 (depending on Mac's point totals, 50+ = 2nd)

To Avs:
Clarke MacArthur
Both first rounds 2011 (BOS,PHI)
Luca Caputi
Ben Scrivens


Toronto Lineup:
Lupul - Stastny - Kessel
Kule - Grabo - Kadri (this line was played yesterday, played great together)

Flame.

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03-27-2011, 11:10 AM
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no kadri or schenn=no staz

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03-27-2011, 11:15 AM
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Why would Colorado give up a top line centre for spare parts.

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no kadri or schenn=no staz
THIS.

Why are all offers spare parts offers??

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03-27-2011, 11:18 AM
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I would think Avs say no.

McArthur is more of a negotiating problem than an asset these days. The firsts, while nice I guess, doesn't have a tonne of value and the other two parts are throw ins.

Basically Schenn is coming the other way if Leafs want Stastny.

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03-27-2011, 11:23 AM
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Actually, what the OP is suggesting is far from being spare parts

Scrivens is a goalie showing similar traits to Reimer while putting up better stats in the AHL
20-30th overall pick
20-30th overall pick
Clarke MacArthur (top six forward capable of 20 goals)
Luca Caputi (decent prospect hampered by injuries this season)

That's a whole hell of a lot more than what Thornton got

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03-27-2011, 11:24 AM
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I would think Avs say no.

McArthur is more of a negotiating problem than an asset these days. The firsts, while nice I guess, doesn't have a tonne of value and the other two parts are throw ins.

Basically Schenn is coming the other way if Leafs want Stastny.
Scrivens is no throw in!

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I would think Avs say no.

McArthur is more of a negotiating problem than an asset these days. The firsts, while nice I guess, doesn't have a tonne of value and the other two parts are throw ins.

Basically Schenn is coming the other way if Leafs want Stastny.
we'd give you Kadri but there is no way you'd get Schenn not a chance Burke has said that himself.

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Any deal for Stastny begins with Schenn... and you add from there.

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Hai Der, I'm back :3

Looking at another thread, I can see that the Avs most needed positions are at wing and defence. While the Leafs obviously need a skilled #1C, that is relatively young.

Proposal:

To Leafs:
Paul Stastny
- PPG Centre, Relatively young
2nd/3rd Round Pick 2012 (depending on Mac's point totals, 50+ = 2nd)

To Avs:
Clarke MacArthur
Both first rounds 2011 (BOS,PHI)
Luca Caputi
Ben Scrivens


Toronto Lineup:
Lupul - Stastny - Kessel
Kule - Grabo - Kadri (this line was played yesterday, played great together)

Flame.
As stated many times in terrible Avs-Leafs Stastny proposals if there is no Schenn or Kadri the Avs will not deal Stastny to the Leafs.

try this at minimum (I'd rather have Schenn but since I know Leafs fans would probably have a hissy fit if I included him in a Stastny proposal something like this would a starting point):

To TOR:
Stastny


To COL:
Kadri
Bozak
another good prospect probably defensive
1st


You don't get a 1st line center for spare parts and late first rd picks. I don't know how many times Avs fans have to tell this to Leaf fans. If you want Stastny thats fine Avs would probably listen to offers, but you got give to get, we're not just going to "give" away Stastny, just because he had a little bit of down year due to inconceivable amounts of injuries to the team.

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03-27-2011, 11:29 AM
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I might differ from other Avs fans but I have zero interest in Kadri. The puck skill is obvious, but he is a dink. I think he is still years away from being able to handle NHL play.

Any trade involving Kadri for Stastny would be a giant step back for Avs imo.

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03-27-2011, 11:29 AM
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Avs aren't doing this.

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03-27-2011, 11:32 AM
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Even if it was Kadri coming back, why would the Avs deal Stastny for a downgrade unless the Leafs added drastically? The Avs have no reason to deal their best center. They'd be filling a hole (which is debatable) by making an even bigger one.

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03-27-2011, 11:34 AM
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As stated many times in terrible Avs-Leafs Stastny proposals if there is no Schenn or Kadri the Avs will not deal Stastny to the Leafs.

try this at minimum (I'd rather have Schenn but since I know Leafs fans would probably have a hissy fit if I included him in a Stastny proposal something like this would a starting point):

To TOR:
Stastny


To COL:
Kadri
Bozak
another good prospect probably defensive
1st


You don't get a 1st line center for spare parts and late first rd picks. I don't know how many times Avs fans have to tell this to Leaf fans. If you want Stastny thats fine Avs would probably listen to offers, but you got give to get, we're not just going to "give" away Stastny, just because he had a little bit of down year due to inconceivable amounts of injuries to the team.


Why would you lower your demands to appease Leafs Fans??

Don't you think there would be a better suitor out there who WILL give you parts that you want/need?

Stastny value hasn't decreased he is still a top 15-10 centerman in the league, he hasn't asked out, hasn't had any issues...

You should be demanding full value for your valuable commodity, if anything given the circumstances, it should be an overpayment, because I see no reason why the Aves should move Stastny, it would just open up another hole...

Sure Duchene can step in there, but its better to have a 1-2 combination I feel.

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03-27-2011, 11:35 AM
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Don't you think that if the Avs have the 2nd overall pick in this year draft (or whatever it is), they'd most likely pick RNH or Couturier (sp?), and with that have amensed a centre depth of: Duchene, Stastny, RNH/Cou, Mueller, Galiardi, O'Reilly. Thats AMAZING, but I'm sure they'd wanna take one of those centre (possibly the highest paid one) and flip it for depth pieces or possibly a "re-tool/rebuild" for a young team. Clarke is relatively young, turning 26 this year, Caputi will be a great 3rd line, ALA Armstrong (poor man's) and Scrivens is a promising goalie prospect ALONG with 2 firsts.

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03-27-2011, 11:37 AM
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Don't you think that if the Avs have the 2nd overall pick in this year draft (or whatever it is), they'd most likely pick RNH or Couturier (sp?), and with that have amensed a centre depth of: Duchene, Stastny, RNH/Cou, Mueller, Galiardi, O'Reilly. Thats AMAZING, but I'm sure they'd wanna take one of those centre (possibly the highest paid one) and flip it for depth pieces or possibly a "re-tool/rebuild" for a young team. Clarke is relatively young, turning 26 this year, Caputi will be a great 3rd line, ALA Armstrong (poor man's) and Scrivens is a promising goalie prospect ALONG with 2 firsts.
still. not. worth. stastny.

i don't understand how you can't get this through your skull. there are 28 other teams that can offer something better than that.

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i would not agree to trade this generations Scott Stevens for anyone on Colorados roster

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03-27-2011, 11:41 AM
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still. not. worth. stastny.

i don't understand how you can't get this through your skull. there are 28 other teams that can offer something better than that.
come on, you missed the best part of that post... "a poor mans Colby Armstrong"

That is like saying a richmans Andrew Peters

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03-27-2011, 11:45 AM
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Leafs would have to give up a lot to get Stastny, but I would consider...

To
Paul Stastny
John-Michael Liles

To
Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Jesse Blacker
Bos 2011 1st
Philly 2011 1st

This trade covers everything we need to do this off-season. We bring in a PPG #1 center to play with kessel, and get a puck moving defenceman to play the point on the powerplay.

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Putting Caputi and scrivens in the deal is an insult to the avs

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Don't you think that if the Avs have the 2nd overall pick in this year draft (or whatever it is), they'd most likely pick RNH or Couturier (sp?), and with that have amensed a centre depth of: Duchene, Stastny, RNH/Cou, Mueller, Galiardi, O'Reilly. Thats AMAZING, but I'm sure they'd wanna take one of those centre (possibly the highest paid one) and flip it for depth pieces or possibly a "re-tool/rebuild" for a young team. Clarke is relatively young, turning 26 this year, Caputi will be a great 3rd line, ALA Armstrong (poor man's) and Scrivens is a promising goalie prospect ALONG with 2 firsts.
Ya the avs should trade stastny after they draft RNH or Couturier without seeing how they progress in the nhl first. That sounds like a leaf fans good idea right there.

Any deal involving Stasnty going to the leafs has to have Schenn coming back either start your proposals with that or just stop.

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Leafs would have to give up a lot to get Stastny, but I would consider...

To
Paul Stastny
John-Michael Liles

To
Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Jesse Blacker
Bos 2011 1st
Philly 2011 1st

This trade covers everything we need to do this off-season. We bring in a PPG #1 center to play with kessel, and get a puck moving defenceman to play the point on the powerplay.
And it covers pretty much nothing Avs needs to do this off-season. Funny how it works.

Schenn

for

Hishon
Wilson
2nd

Fits Avs needs perfectly. Deal?

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And it covers pretty much nothing Avs needs to do this off-season. Funny how it works.

Schenn

for

Hishon
Wilson
2nd

Fits Avs needs perfectly. Deal?
This guy is absolutely correct...trade proposals here are basically what your team wants for what your team doesn't need anymore.

Doesn't work like that. Colorado needs a solid D, a good goalie prospect and more for Stastny.

I'm a Leaf fan, but even I think the Avs would have to be ridiculously stupid to trade Stastny. His cap hit is 6.6 but even if it was 10M right now, it doesn't hurt them, so why trade him unless something they can't refuse comes along.

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Paul Stastny is the new Bobby Ryan.

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Actually, what the OP is suggesting is far from being spare parts

Scrivens is a goalie showing similar traits to Reimer while putting up better stats in the AHL
20-30th overall pick
20-30th overall pick
Clarke MacArthur (top six forward capable of 20 goals)
Luca Caputi (decent prospect hampered by injuries this season)

That's a whole hell of a lot more than what Thornton got
Compared to Stastny, All the above is spare parts.

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