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03-31-2011, 06:17 PM
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Could this happen?

We all like to laugh at the trade proposals that offer back home grown Minnesotans. It is one of the memes of HF Boards.

But what if some of these chickens came home to roost? I believe the re-emergence of the NHL in Minnesota has produced mo' better Minnesota players than ever; the last several drafts have proved that, with more Minnesota 1st rounders than ever, including Mr. 1st overall, EJ himself. But as these guys get to the UFA stage, Parise, Johnson, Ockposo, Oshie, Byfuglien, etc., what if Minnesota became a place to come back to?

I've always had this thought at the back of my head; a pipe dream, or a possibility?

You tell me.

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03-31-2011, 06:23 PM
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But a lot of these players developed when there was no Minnesota NHL team. It's going to take another decade until you get the first group of Minnesota players with childhood ties to the Wild.

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But a lot of these players developed when there was no Minnesota NHL team. It's going to take another decade until you get the first group of Minnesota players with childhood ties to the Wild.
Sorry Gopher, not to disagreee, but Ockposo was 12; Parise 16; Johnson 12; Oshie 14; Byfuglien 15; teenagers all, highly impressionable, when the Wild kicked in. To me, they were children.

Supply the next generation of prospects if necessary; I'm just wondering, if it is an attraction or an abstraction, to come back to the North Star State.

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I'm just speaking from my own experience as someone who was dedicated to hockey for the better part of my life but the Wild don't have that same connection that the North Stars or Gophers do. A lot of that has to do with growing up and playing pee-wees and bantams with no NHL team, which is also the case for many of those players.

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I'm just speaking from my own experience as someone who was dedicated to hockey for the better part of my life but the Wild don't have that same connection that the North Stars or Gophers do. A lot of that has to do with growing up and playing pee-wees and bantams with no NHL team, which is also the case for many of those players.
It's not the tie to the team itself that matters, it's the tie to their roots in Minnesota period that matters. As Cullen said, playing for the Wild for him is coming back home. Not because he grew up watching them... cause he didn't. It's because this team represents the State of Minnesota.

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There's a couple other teams which represent the state of Minnesota though. Also Cullen came home on like his third or fourth opportunity alongside the fact he has already won a Cup; that's more like the Twins in the 90s with Winfield, Molitor and Steinbach.

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There's a couple other teams which represent the state of Minnesota though. Also Cullen came home on like his third or fourth opportunity alongside the fact he has already won a Cup.
So what you're saying is, we'd sign more, better Minnesotan free agents if we brought back the North Stars?

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There's a couple other teams which represent the state of Minnesota though. Also Cullen came home on like his third or fourth opportunity alongside the fact he has already won a Cup; that's more like the Twins in the 90s with Winfield, Molitor and Steinbach.
Obviously Cullen's situation is different, and I agree with you. In order to attract the quality players back, you have to first get a quality team.

IF the Wild could actually become a consistent contender, then yes it would be a definite possibility.

Also... how can any team represent the State of Minnesota more in the NHL than the team IN Minnesota. Coming home to Minnesota means just that.

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So what you're saying is, we'd sign more, better Minnesotan free agents if we brought back the North Stars?
No I'm saying that the U, Duluth, St. Cloud State are all teams which represent the State of Hockey.

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No I'm saying that the U, Duluth, St. Cloud State are all teams which represent the State of Hockey.
We're not talking about other leagues though, we're talking about players in the NHL coming home.

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And I'm saying that some players don't feel they need to come home due to the connection of *insert college team* being their hometown goal.

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And I'm saying that some players don't feel they need to come home due to the connection of *insert college team* being their hometown goal.
I can't agree with that. I don't think there is a "hometown goal" issue. I think it's an issue of "coming back home" as stating in the OP.

In order for the Wild to reach that in the minds of quality Minnesota NHL'ers though, they need to become a consistent contender, so it doesn't look to be giving up a chance for the playoffs at the same time etc.

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And if they do that players will come due to the Wild having a top organization instead of being based in St. Paul.

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And if they do that players will come due to the Wild having a top organization instead of being based in St. Paul.
Again, Can't completely agree with that either. If you have a competitive Minnesota team, and a few other competitive teams bidding for players, it's the fact that the Wild are in Minnesota that could attract the talent from Minnesota vs somewhere else.

It would absolutely be a factor.

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Money, playing time and role on the team are going to play a much bigger role than being a Minnesota team. Throw in the fact that this isn't a team which players have grown up cheering for and why would they or their agent truly care about coming home just for the sake of coming home?

It's a pipe dream fans like us just want to see because we practice provincialism more than most places.

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03-31-2011, 09:49 PM
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Money, playing time and role on the team are going to play a much bigger role than being a Minnesota team. Throw in the fact that this isn't a team which players have grown up cheering for and why would they or their agent truly care about coming home just for the sake of coming home?

It's a pipe dream fans like us just want to see because we practice provincialism more than most places.
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Well it's not like there's an offseason or that people in their mid-twenties like to do their own thing and create their own family. Oh wait...

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No denying that, but then there are people on the complete oppsite end of the spectrum. Hell, my Brother couldn't even move across town like he wanted because his Wife didn't want to live so far from her parents etc.

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Well thankfully most NHL players make enough money that they could bring their family with them if they wanted.

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I'm 20 (the same age as some guys coming into the league now) and when the wild started I was 10. I consider myself to have grown up with the wild, so I don't think it'll take a decade. Just a few years until guys my age start hitting FA. Not saying it WILL happen then, just saying it COULD start happening soon that they'd want to play for their childhood team.

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I'm 20 (the same age as some guys coming into the league now) and when the wild started I was 10. I consider myself to have grown up with the wild, so I don't think it'll take a decade. Just a few years until guys my age start hitting FA. Not saying it WILL happen then, just saying it COULD start happening soon that they'd want to play for their childhood team.
Basically came in here to say the exact same thing. Believe it or not, the Wild are the only hockey team I've ever followed, and players drafted today are, in fact, younger than me.

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