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03-31-2011, 09:36 AM
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U18 WJC Germany

well, after 2 years of loosing pretty much everywhere they played Rumyantsev's team is rolling into the WJC with the same issues - players that have no business being on the team, poor coaching and a loser's mentality.

It pains me, that the country where I grew up is in such state where everything is run that way..

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Wow that roster is comical. A bunch of 1994s but no Kamaev? Where's Prokhorkin, Shmelev?

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Didn't the u-20 team have a great wc in january?

Who will be on the team?

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I've watched the last 4-5 tourny's closely. This is by far the worst team IMO to go to the tourny. And NOT because Russian doesn't have talent, quiet the opposite. In a way, it might be for the better. If they do really bad, perhaps it'll get some heads rolling...

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I've watched the last 4-5 tourny's closely. This is by far the worst team IMO to go to the tourny. And NOT because Russian doesn't have talent, quiet the opposite. In a way, it might be for the better. If they do really bad, perhaps it'll get some heads rolling...
do you think people in FHR are stupid? do u think Tretyak can't see why ivanyuzhenkov is on the team and prokhorkin is not and etc?

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what about khokhlachev, Zlobin, Levitsky will they join the team if they lose in PO?

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Guys, let's all prepare for the relegation round
Hopefully some combinations from Grigorenko and Kucherov will keep us in the Elite Division, team 94 is for sure more promising

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Didn't the u-20 team have a great wc in january?

Who will be on the team?
They are too old for this.

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Wow that roster is comical. A bunch of 1994s but no Kamaev? Where's Prokhorkin, Shmelev?
Rhetorical questions

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Guys, let's all prepare for the relegation round
Hopefully some combinations from Grigorenko and Kucherov will keep us in the Elite Division, team 94 is for sure more promising


well, what about Yakupov? he is on the roster isn't he? and when Shalunov gets hot, he scores quite a lot too...

when looking at your team from outside:

the forward depth, when calling all the best, would be quite good IMO, better than the 89 (even with Cherepanov) , 88 or 87ers... about on par with 91ers, a bit behind the 90ers or 92ers.

and when we look at the history of this team since they entered international play they typically played in high scoring games. so far they can't keep the GAA on a low level, so they definitely need high scoring to compensate.

now with a lot of talent still involved in NA playoffs, and with guys like Sigarev and Kuvaev not progressing, it hurts even more, when they exclude Shmeelev and Prohorkin, who though profitied a lot of his teammates, playing most time along Gusev and Kucherov.

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They are too old for this.

not the point i was trying to make, the u-20 obviously came to play and get a good result (and won the tournament), so why sent a sub-par u-18 team? They don't care about this tournament then?

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well, what about Yakupov? he is on the roster isn't he? and when Shalunov gets hot, he scores quite a lot too...

when looking at your team from outside:

the forward depth, when calling all the best, would be quite good IMO, better than the 89 (even with Cherepanov) , 88 or 87ers... about on par with 91ers, a bit behind the 90ers or 92ers.

and when we look at the history of this team since they entered international play they typically played in high scoring games. so far they can't keep the GAA on a low level, so they definitely need high scoring to compensate.

now with a lot of talent still involved in NA playoffs, and with guys like Sigarev and Kuvaev not progressing, it hurts even more, when they exclude Shmeelev and Prohorkin, who though profitied a lot of his teammates, playing most time along Gusev and Kucherov.
Didn't you see the results of this team from this season?

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not the point i was trying to make, the u-20 obviously came to play and get a good result (and won the tournament), so why sent a sub-par u-18 team? They don't care about this tournament then?
U20 and senior national team is a serious matter. Below this, it's the far west, unfortunately.

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Didn't you see the results of this team from this season?
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that's why I've written they should include all offensive skill possible. when you get a lot of goals against, you need a lot of firepower to compensate.

though, I still see this team finishing 2nd in the group stage. but as you said, if they fall apart, any of SUI, GER, SVK could give them problems

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U20 and senior national team is a serious matter. Below this, it's the far west, unfortunately.
But same things always happened at U20 too....maybe not as much as U18 but still. The main difference this year was Bragin.

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Guys, let's all prepare for the relegation round
Hopefully some combinations from Grigorenko and Kucherov will keep us in the Elite Division, team 94 is for sure more promising
prepare your self if you like but i just dont see them losing to Germany and Slovakia.
NB: i think they will be among the final 4 , why not even higher.


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prepare your self if you like but i just dont see them losing to Germany and Slovakia.
NB: i think they will be among the final 4 , why not even higher.
I hope to be wrong, but I can't see this year anything better than a first round exit.

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the roster is up - all the stars are there Ivanyuzhenkov, Sabinin...Prokhorkin and Shmelev rightfully didn't make the team, just not good enough.

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Unfortunately I can't read Russian.

Did Pedan, Khokhlachev, and Yakupov make the team?

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Unfortunately I can't read Russian.

Did Pedan, Khokhlachev, and Yakupov make the team?
I'm not sure if that's the final roster or are they still waiting for more players from NA, but Pedan, Yakupov and Kuvaev are the CHL players on that list.

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I'm not sure if that's the final roster or are they still waiting for more players from NA, but Pedan, Yakupov and Kuvaev are the CHL players on that list.
Perfect thanks. Also, definitely had a brain fart with the post above. The Khok won't be on the team because he's still in the playoffs with Windsor.

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Unfortunately I can't read Russian.

Did Pedan, Khokhlachev, and Yakupov make the team?
use google translate with the link.

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U20 and senior national team is a serious matter. Below this, it's the far west, unfortunately.
I believe you are right, Alessandro. At U18 and below, there seems to be no emphasis or importance, which makes it easier to pay political favors off rather put the best team on the ice.

However, I think there are other reasons why Russian U18 and below teams don't do as well as the senior national team and U20 group. Especially in Canada and the United States, kids at 7 or 8 years of age start playing hockey on organized teams that play all year long, and play under pressure and with intensity. Russian kids seem to get started later, and I don't think hockey schools give kids real experience playing under competitive pressure and intensity. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying the North American approach of starting out of the diaper is such a great idea in many ways, but it does confer the advantage of having NA kids developing much earlier. Russian kids need the extra few years of experience that they have by the time they get to the U20 and senior level.

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