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04-01-2011, 05:26 AM
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Kesler dove btw! but thats the way the game is played cant hate on him, we have brown doing the same thing most of the nights we play.
You have got to be kidding me. If you have any knowledge about hockey (played hockey) you would know that there is no padding where kesler got chopped. If you hit a player with your stick in the back, side, or head with both hands on your stick, they will call you for cross checking. It was the right call.

As for the other people on here complaining about the two big hits. Handzus didn't have the puck when he got hit, and it should have been 2 minutes for interference. The only reason he went violently into the boards was because the hit flipped him over the other canuck players left leg. It wouldn't have been quite so bad if he had been able to stay on his feet. I'm not saying it was his problem, its just a non-point. If Handzus had touched the puck, it wouldn't have been a penalty, it was a clean check shoulder to shoulder. 2 Minutes for Interference.

The play by Clifford on Tanev was ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. 1 on 1, Tanev looks back and Clifford knows that he's looking at Tanev's numbers the whole time. Tanev tries to make a move, but Clifford should know that he has the defenseman in a vulnerable position. The onus is on the hitter to lighten up on the hit or just rub him out. Hit from behind propelling his head violently into the boards, resulting in an injury, deserves at least 5 and a game, and possibly a 1 or 2 game suspension. Its a bonehead and careless play. If Tanev is falling it doesn't change things, its a hit to the numbers. This is what the league is trying to eradicate from the game.

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04-01-2011, 08:00 AM
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You have got to be kidding me. If you have any knowledge about hockey (played hockey) you would know that there is no padding where kesler got chopped. If you hit a player with your stick in the back, side, or head with both hands on your stick, they will call you for cross checking. It was the right call.

As for the other people on here complaining about the two big hits. Handzus didn't have the puck when he got hit, and it should have been 2 minutes for interference. The only reason he went violently into the boards was because the hit flipped him over the other canuck players left leg. It wouldn't have been quite so bad if he had been able to stay on his feet. I'm not saying it was his problem, its just a non-point. If Handzus had touched the puck, it wouldn't have been a penalty, it was a clean check shoulder to shoulder. 2 Minutes for Interference.

The play by Clifford on Tanev was ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. 1 on 1, Tanev looks back and Clifford knows that he's looking at Tanev's numbers the whole time. Tanev tries to make a move, but Clifford should know that he has the defenseman in a vulnerable position. The onus is on the hitter to lighten up on the hit or just rub him out. Hit from behind propelling his head violently into the boards, resulting in an injury, deserves at least 5 and a game, and possibly a 1 or 2 game suspension. Its a bonehead and careless play. If Tanev is falling it doesn't change things, its a hit to the numbers. This is what the league is trying to eradicate from the game.

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04-01-2011, 08:00 AM
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You have got to be kidding me. If you have any knowledge about hockey (played hockey) you would know that there is no padding where kesler got chopped. If you hit a player with your stick in the back, side, or head with both hands on your stick, they will call you for cross checking. It was the right call.
And quite the forceful “chop” it was.
Kesler made the most of it to get the call. Regardless which team you are rooting for, refuting that is a tough sell. He felt the contact and went down to draw a penalty.

The poster compared it to Dustin Brown doing something similar. What’s the controversy here ?


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NHL website has the Rome hit on their highlight reel for what it is worth

"Storming Rome
Aaron Rome puts a heavy hit on Michal Handzus in the corner."

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=106014

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04-01-2011, 10:17 AM
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Sad to see 0 shots in the third. But, I mean, it's going to be like for awhile.

Boo.
While the call should have been a minor on Clifford if a call at all, zero shots in the 3rd makes it difficult to blame the game on someone else.

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04-01-2011, 10:31 AM
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Overall, I don't think we played that poorly. Doughty had two mistakes that lead to two goals against, and that was the game.

Oh, and that zero shots in the 3rd period thing? Consider this: The 'best' team in the NHL could only score *1* goal against a team in a period in which they held said team to *zero* shots ....but they needed to have a 5-minute major to do so .....and to also have another one of our guys in the box to give they a 2-man advantage.

IMHO, both teams looked pretty even out there. It's just that Doughty showed up and mistook his #8 for a #3, that's all.

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I'd like to add something about that hit on Handzus by Rome. There's no written rule on this, but Rome hit a vulnerable player ALREADY BEING CHECKED BY ANOTHER PLAYER. If you try to sneak between two defenders and get sandwiched that's one thing, but Rome should not have run Handzus while he's tangled up with another defender. It seems to me that most players ease up when two opposing players are scrumming for the puck along the boards. How many more injuries would there be if you could just take a run at someone who is defenseless and vulnerable like that?

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BTW.....


How happy are Rome & Tambellini to have never played in L.A.? LoL! We drafted them and now it looks as if they might be hitch-hiking their way to a Stanley Cup.

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BTW.....


How happy are Rome & Tambellini to have never played in L.A.? LoL! We drafted them and now it looks as if they might be hitch-hiking their way to a Stanley Cup.
The Canucks are the odds on favorites, but how often does the favorite win? Very good team, but they have weaknesses on defense that can be exploited and if they get the Ducks in the 1st round, it could be interesting if Emery can play well.

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How happy are Rome & Tambellini to have never played in L.A.? LoL! We drafted them and now it looks as if they might be hitch-hiking their way to a Stanley Cup.


I can't decide if you're being serious or funny.

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04-01-2011, 10:52 AM
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How happy are Rome & Tambellini to have never played in L.A.? LoL! We drafted them and now it looks as if they might be hitch-hiking their way to a Stanley Cup.
Are they planning to hitch-hike here to watch the Stanley Cup parade down Figueroa?


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No sense in complaining about dives or non-calls, it went both ways. The Kings beat themselves.

I'm not going to get upset about a road loss, to the best team in the league, when we'd won 6 in a row prior, and we're with out are two leading scorers.

And despite the mistakes (which may have cost us the game), I still liked what I saw from Doughty tonight.

My biggest complaint is Penner. He's been awful.

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There's no excuse for 0 shots in the 3rd.

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04-01-2011, 11:18 AM
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Other then 0 shots in the 3rd (for which Gramama and his zero creativity vortex coaching plan that has no effing ability to adapt to any situation is 98% to blame)......



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Rick Nash (injured and sitting in the press box) > Dustin Penner.

That's all I got.

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I'm pretty sure I was the only one who did not like the Penner acquisition. Now you all know why.

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We came out strong in the 1st and then died a slow death. The 3rd was awful. We should have had a penalty shot with Lu throwing his stick, but the way we played in the second half we didn't deserve a point. Drew was TERRIBLE. I'm a HUGE Doughty fan (I have his jersey), but WOW, their first two goals were because of him. Both giveaways, trying to be too cute and do too much. If that's how he's going to play when Murray tells him we need more offense from him, than stop! I'd rather have him be solid and not score than him trying to do too much. It was like he was trying to win the game all by himself. It's great to see the effort, but he needs to use his hockey sense.

Quick was good. The weird thing is, I thought the Canucks had a lot more shots on goal than they ended up with. What was the final shots on goal? 35-19? If you compare that to the Oilers game, I think they had 32 shots. Isn't that funny how different those shots were?

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I'm pretty sure I was the only one who did not like the Penner acquisition. Now you all know why.
No, you weren't the only one...

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Kesler's dive was pretty impressive, might have to change my avatar quote . . . .

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I wasnt able to catch the third period, but i caught the first two. The Kings beat themselves in this game. From what I saw, i felt like the Kings were with the Nucks every step of the way. It was just those two bad turnovers and the fact that JQ seems to have trouble with those wrist shots from the cirlces.

The way I see it, the Kings know they blew the game tonight. But at the same time they are seeing that if they can play with the VanSucks without their two best forwards, then they can play with almost anyone.

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.... Drew was TERRIBLE. I'm a HUGE Doughty fan (I have his jersey), but WOW, their first two goals were because of him. Both giveaways, trying to be too cute and do too much. If that's how he's going to play when Murray tells him we need more offense from him, than stop! I'd rather have him be solid and not score than him trying to do too much. It was like he was trying to win the game all by himself. It's great to see the effort, but he needs to use his hockey sense.....
(JB's quote edited for comment)

The thing with "creative" players, especially with D, is that a young players errors are magnified and taken advantage of by more experienced NHL opponents. We have to live with the mistakes to gain the benefit of his instincts. Playing time is the only cure.

OTOH, both of those attacks are mere inches away from Orr/Coffey type highlight reel plays.
And then everyone in the media, the league, and on fan forums are having completely different conversations.

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04-01-2011, 01:08 PM
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Drew Doughty may have cost us that game.. You're up 1-0 and you want to do some criss-cross play at the blue line? THEN you're going to float some pass out there just to have it get picked off? And THEN after that play you want to try to go coast to coast only to get caught and have the Canucks score again?

Quick has to make at least one of those saves. They were both stoppable... The second one more so than the first one.

However, I agree with everyone else except for the thought that Cliffords play was "stupid." Clifford is forechecking, and thats what he is supposed to do. Its the defensemans fault - you can see him just FRIGHTENED to go in the corner and get the puck first. Had he done that he could of braced himself. Instead, he wants to try and do some cute little turn which got himself all f'd up. Clifford should have MAYBE gotten a minor penalty.


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Drew Doughty may have cost us that game.. You're up 1-0 and you want to do some criss-cross play at the blue line? THEN you're going to float some pass out there just to have it get picked off? And THEN after that play you want to try to go coast to coast only to get caught and have the Canucks score again?

Quick has to make at least one of those saves. They were both stoppable... The second one more so than the first one.

However, I agree with everyone else except for the thought that Cliffords play was "stupid." Clifford is forechecking, and thats what he is supposed to do. Its the defensemans fault - you can see him just FRIGHTENED to go in the corner and get the puck first. Had he done that he could of braced himself. Instead, he wants to try and do some cute little turn which got himself all f'd up. Clifford should have MAYBE gotten a minor penalty.
While a save on one of those two shots would have been AWESOME, those were both deadly shots and Quick was hung out to dry. Sedin's goal was absolutely dirty (as in that move/shot doesn't get any better) and Ehroff's was pretty good as well. It wasn't an impossible shot, but not one I'm going to really cry foul against Quick for either.


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You have got to be kidding me. If you have any knowledge about hockey (played hockey) you would know that there is no padding where kesler got chopped. If you hit a player with your stick in the back, side, or head with both hands on your stick, they will call you for cross checking. It was the right call.
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Suite! then there should have been about 15 crosschecking calls during the game.

There was one instance where the same exact thing happened to Brown by Bieksa.

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I'm pretty sure I was the only one who did not like the Penner acquisition. Now you all know why.
It doesn't matter who you trade in.......
we could have Ovechkin and Murray would turn him into a 25 goal scorer instantly.

It is just the system. Did you see crystal clear chances for Penner ????
Did someone set him up and he just have to tip it in ???
When did you see the last time some really well executed offense move what
almost looks like they did it in practice ????

The next problem is we have no playmaking centers.. well at least we don't use them.
Kopitar is a good player but he has no killer instinct... something like drawing the attention of 2 defenders and play a deadly pass. Just to tell him he has to shoot more isn't helping his developemnt.

The only real playmaker we have is Richardson. This guy has unbelievable hands and on ice vision. He is even able to go through 2 or 3 opponents. No other KIngs has this skill.
Why the hell Richardson is playing on the 4th line is way beyond me.
We lack in speed and creativity and the guy who brings exactly that is playing 5 minutes per game on the 4th line.

But on the other hand it's Penner's fault for being a hockeyplayer instead a WWE wrestler.
Can someone hand a urn to Murray and put some black colour around his eyes... he would be a perfect coach for the undertaker.
He is slow, old and has no powerfull moves but is doing the little things right.

Don't get me wrong, the Kings are a powerfull hockeyclub.
We just have no speed, offense or creativty and can't pass or shoot.
But beside that we are almost perfect

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