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05-04-2017, 10:02 PM
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Bchl vs ajhl

The BCHL is a Junior A league based out of British Columbia. It is considered one level down from the CHL

The equivalent in Alberta is the AJHL, like the BCHL, one level before the CHL.

So you think, they are almost equal in level of play, since the AJHL is the 2nd highest level if your not playing in the CHL at the time, but there are people saying the BCHL is light years ahead of the AJHL? You think they are equal.

Question is, what makes the BCHL a higher level then the AJHL if they are both considered Junior A leagues in their provinces?

of course BCHL does have a decent record of nhl players going through route, but really? Light years ahead?

is the BCHL really light years ahead or easily better? if so why is it that much better other then it produced more NHL players.

fyi notiable Alumni's from the AHL

Matt Benning
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there's a bit more decent players listed from the ajhl.

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05-04-2017, 10:56 PM
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Bchl simply because more Alberta kids play WHL (then pro of uofa or uofc) and most BC kids play BCHL in order to go to ncaa after

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Overall probably a slight edge to the BCHL, certainly not light years ahead. Both leagues have their great teams, and downright laughable as parity isn't their stong suit since there is no draft and players are free to go to any team.

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05-04-2017, 11:10 PM
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The BCHL is the better league imo.

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05-05-2017, 03:55 AM
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BCHL is the better league and is acting as a feeder league for the NCAA these days. Specifically through the Prep school programs that are such a strong fixture of youth hockey in BC, if you have the money of course. Most BCHL teams are on average stronger than all other Junior A league teams. They also tend to attract talent from all over Canada. Alex Newhook is a recent example of a highly touted prospect from Newfoundland who has committed to the BCHL and will eventually go on to play for Boston College. The BCHL is just such a strong league overall that no other Junior A league can really compare. Sure some Junior A leagues have teams that are stronger but on average the BCHL teams are superior IMO. Most Junior A leagues tend to attract local players but the BCHL is attracting guys from coast to coast. Primarily so they can head to the NCAA afterwards. It's likely obvious that the scenery in BC is a big reason for this, why not play hockey somewhere beautiful right? I had 4 friends growing up that left Sask to play in the BCHL so they could eventually attend Colleges in the states. They could have stayed and played in the SJHL but they all thought might as well live in the mountains while we do it.


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05-05-2017, 08:57 PM
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it's crazy that the BCHL winner and AJHL winner doesn't go directly to the national championship.

I don't know the AJHL very well, but I grew up in Vernon and watched a ton of Vernon Vipers games. There were quite a few seasons where I bet the Vipers could beat many WHL teams.

The top BCHL organizations are Vernon, Penticton, Chilliwack, Wenatchee, Nanaimo, Salmon Arm (sometimes), Victoria (sometimes) then there's a drop off to not very consistent organizations.

One thing that BCHL gets that AJHL doesn't is players from California, Mass and Minnesota. There are a ton of Americans in the BCHL who are better than your Junior B player who got promoted to Junior A. They want to play top competition, 56 games, play in showcase games, get that full scholarship.

One key thing for those top BCHL teams is great facilities that are just a notch below the WHL. There are some teams however that play out of 800-1500 arenas. Hard to attract top players unless they're locals.

I highly doubt the AJHL can match the BCHL's arenas and training facilities.

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Most of the College UFA that have signed in recent years have played in the BCHL. The BCHL is widely considered the best Jr A league in Canada for producing both NHL and NCAA talent

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Brooks, Camrose, Grande Prairie, Okotoks and Fort Mac all have high end arenas - none are SOEC level though - and 4/5 coincidentally are perennial top teams.

Thing is, most teams are based in small towns, which is where they are the most successful. It makes sense, neither of the Calgary teams draw much more than 100 a night. There's no way an AJHL team can be profitable in a big city with a NHL team, WHL team, and multiple CIS teams.

It's very rare to have a viable town/city that also has a need for a high end rink and the financial resources to build it. Most teams that have such resources do recruit better though.

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05-05-2017, 10:31 PM
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BCHL is better than the AJHL but its definitely not light years better. There is a bigger gap between the USHL and the BCHL, than the BCHL and the AJHL. A couple posts above states that Newhook is committed to the BCHL. He was recently drafted to the USHL and if he makes Lincoln as a 16 year old, he would most likely play there

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The BCHL is unquestionably the tougher league, top to bottom. Far more D1 commitments, somewhere in the 120s the last two years; while the AJHL sees about half that figure and also forces you to live in Alberta.

That isn't to say the best teams from AB couldn't contend, and it would be stupid to do so right now with Brooks as strong as they are. But there's no question that the average teams in the AJ are not of the same class as middling teams in BC.

* Note that lots of players commit to D1 programs prior to playing in BC. So don't take the above as me saying that playing in BC just gives you an easy button to a scholarship. But the fact that college teams continue to believe in the league from a developmental standpoint says it all. If teams like Denver and Harvard and BU felt that their guys would fare better playing in Alberta, they'd probably be there. It's no conspiracy

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BCHL is better than the AJHL but its definitely not light years better. There is a bigger gap between the USHL and the BCHL, than the BCHL and the AJHL. A couple posts above states that Newhook is committed to the BCHL. He was recently drafted to the USHL and if he makes Lincoln as a 16 year old, he would most likely play there
From everything I've read he's heading to Victoria. Unless he's recently changed his mind.

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From everything I've read he's heading to Victoria. Unless he's recently changed his mind.
Very well could be. If his intentions were to play in the USHL he wouldve been a top 3 pick in the futures draft

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Very well could be. If his intentions were to play in the USHL he wouldve been a top 3 pick in the futures draft
Yeah he's going to Boston either way so why not head to Victoria and play hockey in a beautiful city.

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The BCHL is unquestionably the tougher league, top to bottom. Far more D1 commitments, somewhere in the 120s the last two years; while the AJHL sees about half that figure and also forces you to live in Alberta.

That isn't to say the best teams from AB couldn't contend, and it would be stupid to do so right now with Brooks as strong as they are. But there's no question that the average teams in the AJ are not of the same class as middling teams in BC.

* Note that lots of players commit to D1 programs prior to playing in BC. So don't take the above as me saying that playing in BC just gives you an easy button to a scholarship. But the fact that college teams continue to believe in the league from a developmental standpoint says it all. If teams like Denver and Harvard and BU felt that their guys would fare better playing in Alberta, they'd probably be there. It's no conspiracy
Only reason bchl is better is because a ton more Alberta players go to whl tho but agree with above

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Only reason bchl is better is because a ton more Alberta players go to whl tho but agree with above
That has a lot to do with the system in BC. A lot of kids are playing in Prep schools which push education. I think thats why a lot of BC kids want to head to NCAA. It's a way to get ahead while still improving your stock.

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Yeah he's going to Boston either way so why not head to Victoria and play hockey in a beautiful city.
Playing hockey in a better league vs better opponents would up his draft stock

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As a fan of the Brooks Bandits for many years I know we have modelled our franchise after the Vees of the BCHL. We are lucky to have a top notch facility for a small city of 13 000. We recruit many prep players out of US and Ontario, which is why we have by far the most Scholarships to NCAA out of the AJHL by a wide margin. However, this requires money that many teams in the league can't afford. The average attendance is only about 600 a game and that barely will cover operating expenses and nothing left for top level facilities, coaching and recruiting. I believe we would be a top level team in the BCHL as well. However most teams (except Camrose, Okotoks, Ft. Mac, and Saints) would get pummelled.

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Playing hockey in a better league vs better opponents would up his draft stock
How many USHL guys that aren't in the USDP go top 10? USHL guys get picked right in the same area that a good BCHL player does. In fact last year Jost, Fabbro and Cholowski were picked before any USHL player not in the USDP. He won't be playing in the USDP so he might as well stay in Canada. Go to a beautiful city and play hockey there and then likely still get drafted in the middle of the first with a decent season. If he has a Jost like season he could go well before any other USHL players. It's not like the BCHL is some nobody league in some nowhere part of the country. It gets scouted pretty heavily these days. By NCAA programs and NHL teams. If he's a good player he'll get noticed plain and simple.

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As a fan of the Brooks Bandits for many years I know we have modelled our franchise after the Vees of the BCHL. We are lucky to have a top notch facility for a small city of 13 000. We recruit many prep players out of US and Ontario, which is why we have by far the most Scholarships to NCAA out of the AJHL by a wide margin. However, this requires money that many teams in the league can't afford. The average attendance is only about 600 a game and that barely will cover operating expenses and nothing left for top level facilities, coaching and recruiting. I believe we would be a top level team in the BCHL as well. However most teams (except Camrose, Okotoks, Ft. Mac, and Saints) would get pummelled.
Thanks for posting...who is the owner/group behind Brooks? Obviously a lot of money being pumped into that program

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Thanks for posting...who is the owner/group behind Brooks? Obviously a lot of money being pumped into that program
I believe it is owned by a local group of various businessmen, not any 1 person. The club does well with attendance (avg about 1300 for a small city is pretty good) 50/50's sponsorships etc, so they do have money to spend. There have long been rumors that the owners were pumping extra money in, nothing that could ever be proven.

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Playing hockey in a better league vs better opponents would up his draft stock
He might be playing a year in Victoria for his development. He will get more playing time there then he would in the USHL while still playing good hockey for a good program.

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I believe it is owned by a local group of various businessmen, not any 1 person. The club does well with attendance (avg about 1300 for a small city is pretty good) 50/50's sponsorships etc, so they do have money to spend. There have long been rumors that the owners were pumping extra money in, nothing that could ever be proven.
Like paying players under the table?

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I just wish some of these "high end prospects" would come to nanaimo so that we'd have an exciting team.

Usually a blowout for the other side at Clippers games in BCHL

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