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I propose that a Shootout Specialist is worth more to a team than a Goon

View Poll Results: Which would you rather have?
The best heavyweight in the league to protect your team. (Not a great in game player) 14 11.97%
The best shootout specialist in the league, just in case. (Not a great in game player) 78 66.67%
Neither, don't waste a spot for them. 25 21.37%
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04-03-2011, 05:05 PM
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I propose that a Shootout Specialist is worth more to a team than a Goon

My theory. In the past teams kept goons on their roster as specialty players. Players who could impact a game with a fight. I think as the game evolves, teams are going to be keeping roster spots just for guys who are awesome in the shootout.

So, my question. Which is worth more right now. The best heavyweight in the league, or the best shootout specialist in the league?

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04-03-2011, 05:17 PM
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Ideally your best players are your best SO guys. But in the case they are not, there's nothing wrong with having skilled 4th line guys instead of goons.

I'm all for our current system tbh. Torts isn't going to play his 4th line in the playoffs no matter what. Might as well have them be skilled guys who occasionally get a lucky goal and win us points single handedly in SOs.

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04-03-2011, 05:21 PM
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Shootout specialist- because they can actually win you games whereas goons cannot.

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04-03-2011, 05:22 PM
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If we don't have a goon, I hope Barb Underhill can teach Boyle how to fight.

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04-03-2011, 05:29 PM
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im in between. we dont need a goon but im against keeping a guy in the lineup for the possibility of a shootout.

the real shootout specialist is hank anyway.

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04-03-2011, 05:34 PM
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Shootout specialist- because they can actually win you games whereas goons cannot.
Shootout specialist, because in addition to winning games, they're also far more likely to contribute outside of the shootout/fighting.

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A shootout specialist is definitely more important than a one-dimensional goon who can't do anything but fight.

But come playoff time, they are both useless. And if the league continues to diminish the weight of the shootout, like they are doing with the tiebreaker currently, then it's possible there will be less pure shootout specialists in the team. You don't want players to always be in the lineup if they can't play a 60-minute game effectively and only excel in the shootout.

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04-03-2011, 05:36 PM
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Hank is going to get seriously hurt if the Rangers allow the other team to continue to run him over...I love the makeup of the team but there is not enough grit.

Love the strides Boyle has made but I think I can beat him up and he has a almost a foot and 60 pounds on me...by him taking on Colburn and losing the fight it gave the building and their players more juice.

Sather has to find a way to obtain a Clowe, Lucic, Stewart type of player and still incorporate Boogard for the teams carrying a legit heavy.

Now everyone can cry...

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Shootout specialist, because in addition to winning games, they're also far more likely to contribute outside of the shootout/fighting.
Christensen contributes nothing...he is noticable once every 10 or so games...if a goon can protect Hank then I would think he would be far more valuable.

I work with a Penguin fan and he said...why would the Rangers bothering have EC on the team...he will only tease u with his skill but in between his ears it is a hollow space.

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I voted none. I rather use that spot for someone who could actually play well in regulation/OT.

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Definition is missing here a bit. For example if we're talking about Bob Probert in the past or Milan Lucic today--well then?

This hopefully is how Dylan McIlrath will fit onto our team in a few years. You do need physical players--and it doesn't hurt if you have some who can fight well.

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04-03-2011, 05:45 PM
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If we don't have a goon, I hope Barb Underhill can teach Boyle how to fight.
I loled!

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I feel the same way about both roles, which is that a good team doesn't need either an enforcer or shootout guy to be a specialist.

That role is filled by solid hockey players that can skate a regular shift.

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04-03-2011, 05:50 PM
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I think a shootout specialist is more important.

As mentioned above, a shootout specialist can technically win you some games while a goon usually doesn't.

Generally a shootout specialist has more offensive skills to begin with so they can automatically do more than a goon.

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Voted neither.

You should build a team that has enough talent that you can get a goal or two or three out of your best players, and not have to rely on some nobody.

And you should build a team that has enough toughness throughout the lineup that you won't get pushed around. I'd rather have 3-4 guys like Sauer, Prust, etc. than one Boogaard.

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Christensen contributes nothing...he is noticable once every 10 or so games...if a goon can protect Hank then I would think he would be far more valuable.

I work with a Penguin fan and he said...why would the Rangers bothering have EC on the team...he will only tease u with his skill but in between his ears it is a hollow space.
I don't believe for a second that a goon can protect Hank.

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goons are pointless, they dont help you win one way or the other, at least anyone who is good in a shootout has some hockey skill and can perform in regular play, but if you have a guy like hank (and even if you dont), you shouldnt go out and give a guy a contract just so he can score a shootout goal 60% of the time, every 10th game

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Goons are useless.

I voted neither.

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I don't believe for a second that a goon can protect Hank.


I guess u don't mind seeing guys flying into Hank.

Guys like Sauer who give it there all do not strike fear in opposing players...he might be willing to fight but he is not very good at it...same for Boyle, Dubi, Cally and the like...to be successful you have to be able to protect your assests.

Prust is the only guy on the team who can fight, but we have him fighting guys 4-6 taller than him and 30-50 heavier....that can't last.

figthing doesn't win hockey games...but protecting your star players does...the Rangers have to incorporate more size and grit into their lineup if they truly want to make a run at the cup.

Boogard is on this team for the next 3 years...most of you don't like it but we might as well try to make it work...limit him to the games were it is a must to have him in the lineup and bring in Ryan Clowe...maybe both of our 2nd round picks would entice San Jose, that man is a absolute beast and he would go a very long way into protecting the people on our team that need to be protected.

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Goons are useless.

I voted neither.
Goons are pointless but when the other team has one...you have to have a answer.

The Rangers looked like they pissed themselves vs. the Islanders the other night.

If that doesn't upset than you truly can't be a Ranger fan.

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I wanted to vote shootout specialist, but when we end up tied in points with Carolina, and we're the ones playing golf becuae of shootout wins, I'll have to figure anything that can help win in regulation is more important than anything that helps the shootout...

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I don't believe for a second that a goon can protect Hank.
I think he can if he's used properly, the problem is pointless goon on goon fights.
Todays coach and goon needs to accept the penalty when a player like Hank gets run, and the retribution isn't boogaard fighting Carcillo, its boogaard grabbing Giroux and pummelling him.

Yes, we get penalized, but eventually teams will not risk their best players getting pummeled in order to 1)run hank, or 2)get a powerplay.

Neither is worth a broken facial bone in your star players

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I think in the coming years, you are going to see less "goon-like" players in the NHL, and more players that can contribute on the ice and fight as well. Gone will be the Brashear's, Boogards, etc. You will see more Prust-esk players.

Just my opinion, but I think that's the direction the league is going. Prust's, Clarkson's, Ott's, Downie's, Lucic's etc.

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goons are outdated. Prust is the perfect player to have. he's a talented pest, but he can actually throw down unlike Avery who really doesn't have much of a chance in a fight. It would be nice to have a D-man who could fight a little on the team, but no huge deal.

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I've always felt that the best way to deal with a goaltender being run is to run the other team's goaltender.

I cast sincere doubt on the logic behind fear of a goon being linked to a decrease in dangerous play. Now, if we were to eliminate the instigator penalty, things might be a little different. But as of right now, Boogaard is unable to run around policing the ice surface without putting our team dangerously shorthanded.

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