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03-30-2011, 09:01 AM
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The 2003 NHL Draft

Possibly the deepest draft in NHL history. Flyers with the #11 pick took Jeff Carter and with the 24th pick there was Mike Richards, the current core of the franchise. If you could have your choice, 20/20 obviously part of the big picture, who might you have selected otherwise or are you content with the players you have on the roster?


For me the interest begins with Ryan Kesler or Zach Parise. I know for a fact that if Kesler was available at #24 you would have Kesler as your current captain and not Richards. So with the #11 pick, Ryan Kesler.

Now on to the #24 pick. Corey Perry. Guy has turned into a stud, and a natural RW. Also 2nd on the Ducks with 100pims, and can play a physical game.

JvR-Kesler-Versteeg
Nodl-Giroux-Perry
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Round one# Player Nationality NHL team College/junior/club team
1 Marc-Andre Fleury (Goaltender) Canada Pittsburgh Penguins
(from Florida Panthers) Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL)
2 Eric Staal (Centre) Canada Carolina Hurricanes Peterborough Petes (OHL)
3 Nathan Horton (Right Wing) Canada Florida Panthers
(from Pittsburgh Penguins) Oshawa Generals (OHL)
4 Nikolai Zherdev (Right Wing) Russia Columbus Blue Jackets CSKA Moscow (Russia)
5 Thomas Vanek (Left Wing) Austria Buffalo Sabres University of Minnesota (NCAA)
6 Milan Michalek (Left Wing) Czech Republic San Jose Sharks HC Ceske Budejovice (Czech Republic)
7 Ryan Suter (Defence) United States Nashville Predators U.S. National Team Development Program (NAHL)
8 Braydon Coburn (Defence) Canada Atlanta Thrashers Portland Winterhawks (WHL)
9 Dion Phaneuf (Defence) Canada Calgary Flames Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
10 Andrei Kostitsyn (Right Wing) Belarus Montreal Canadiens CSKA Moscow (Russia)
11 Jeff Carter (Centre) Canada Philadelphia Flyers
(from Phoenix Coyotes) Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL)
12 Hugh Jessiman (Right Wing) United States New York Rangers Dartmouth College (NCAA)
13 Dustin Brown (Right Wing) United States Los Angeles Kings Guelph Storm (OHL)
14 Brent Seabrook (Defence) Canada Chicago Blackhawks Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
15 Robert Nilsson (Right Wing) Sweden New York Islanders Leksands IF (Sweden)
16 Steve Bernier (Right Wing) Canada San Jose Sharks
(from Boston Bruins) Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
17 Zach Parise (Centre) United States New Jersey Devils
(from Edmonton Oilers) University of North Dakota (NCAA)
18 Eric Fehr (Right Wing) Canada Washington Capitals Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
19 Ryan Getzlaf (Centre) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
20 Brent Burns (Defence) Canada Minnesota Wild Brampton Battalion (OHL)
21 Mark Stuart (Defence) United States Boston Bruins
(from Toronto Maple Leafs) Colorado College (NCAA)
22 Marc-Antoine Pouliot (Centre) Canada Edmonton Oilers
(from St. Louis Blues) Rimouski Océanic (QMJHL)
23 Ryan Kesler (Centre) United States Vancouver Canucks Ohio State University (NCAA)
24 Mike Richards (Centre) Canada Philadelphia Flyers Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
25 Anthony Stewart (Right Wing) Canada Florida Panthers
(from Tampa Bay Lightning) Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
26 Brian Boyle (Centre) United States Los Angeles Kings
(from Colorado Avalanche) St. Sebastian's (USHS)
27 Jeff Tambellini (Left Wing) Canada Los Angeles Kings
(from Detroit Red Wings) University of Michigan (NCAA)
28 Corey Perry (Right Wing) Canada Mighty Ducks of Anaheim
(from Dallas Stars) London Knights (OHL)
29 Patrick Eaves (Right Wing) United States Ottawa Senators Boston College (NCAA)
30 Shawn Belle (Defence) Canada St. Louis Blues
(from New Jersey Devils) Tri-City Americans (WHL)

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Zherdev and Jessiman if I were picking.

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You know for a fact that if we drafted Kesler he'd be our captain? The dude is known as a bit of a d-bag.

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I'd rather have Kessler than Carter, but I'd stick with Richards at 24.

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Kesler? Really?
Give me Getzlaf or Parise.

Also, Perry's a *****. I'll stick with Richards.

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It took Kessler a few years to break out too, don't forget. When BC signed him to an offer sheet, HFBoards nearly imploded, because $1.5 million was a ridiculous salary for a guy like Kessler at the time.

I'm not sure I'd change anything. MAYBE Getzlaf over Carter? Probably not.

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I'd rather have Kessler than Carter, but I'd stick with Richards at 24.
Kesler is nice and all, but if you're replacing Carter you gotta pick one of Parise/Getzlaf.

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it would have been difficult to make a bad choice that year... parise, getzlaf, brown, perry, seabrook, and kesler all available for the first pick, perry also available for the second. can't complain about getting carter and richards though.

in hindsight, i'd probably take parise/richards (no disrespect to carter intended) or getzlaf/perry.

edit: can you imagine the two-way play and scoring touch of parise - richards - giroux or the size of jvr - getzlaf - perry?


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it would have been difficult to make a bad choice that year... parise, getzlaf, brown, perry, seabrook, and kesler all available for the first pick, perry also available for the second. can't complain about getting carter and richards though.

in hindsight, i'd probably take parise/richards (no disrespect to carter intended) or getzlaf/perry.
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It took Kessler a few years to break out too, don't forget. When BC signed him to an offer sheet, HFBoards nearly imploded, because $1.5 million was a ridiculous salary for a guy like Kessler at the time.

I'm not sure I'd change anything. MAYBE Getzlaf over Carter? Probably not.
Getzlaf would be an upgrade, and I like Carter. Parise would also be an upgrade, but that's only if we're going to overlook the lost season and assume he comes back 100% next year.

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Yeah in hindsight you have to take Getzlaf over Carter. Richards at #24 turned out to be a steal though. I'm more than happy with Carter/Richards. Funny how we ended up with the #4 and #8 pick as well.

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Kesler is nice and all, but if you're replacing Carter you gotta pick one of Parise/Getzlaf.
Kesler: 36 goals, 32 assists, 68 pts, plays in all situations.

He also wears the A in Vancouver. All reports are he is a good guy in the locker room, the reports of him being a dink were the Umberger stories with him at Ohio State.

Perry: 44 goals, 42 assists, 86pts, plays in all situations.


Parise was a tough one to pass over, but Kesler is an all-around package that fans would love in Philly. Getzlaf a tough choice too.

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Kesler: 36 goals, 32 assists, 68 pts, plays in all situations.

He also wears the A in Vancouver. All reports are he is a good guy in the locker room, the reports of him being a dink were the Umberger stories with him at Ohio State.

Perry: 44 goals, 42 assists, 86pts, plays in all situations.


Parise was a tough one to pass over, but Kesler is an all-around package that fans would love in Philly. Getzlaf a tough choice too.
We already have an all-around package in Richards, so I'm less concerned about all-around than top-end skill. Parise and Getzlaf are better than Perry and Kesler, IMO.

And, no, the Kesler is a d-bag reports aren't just from Umberger, though it's telling that a former teammate would hate the guy enough that he'd be telling folks about it.

As an aside: Perry is also a major d-bag.

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Perry is an ass for sure but that guy has winner written on his forehead. I can't imagine what it was like playing the Ducks when they had Pronger and Perry.

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CharlieGirl might have something to say about picking Perry over Richards.

I'm more than fine with Carter and Richards.

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Trade both picks for the 4th overall, and take Zherdev

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CharlieGirl might have something to say about picking Perry over Richards.
Ya think?

I don't know if I could cheer for this team if Perry was a Flyer. We already have our ***** content filled with a few others. Thanks, but I'll take Richards over Perry any day of the week. Perry can score goals, no doubt. But that's the only area he excels over Richards.

I'm happy with Carter, but I love Getzlaf's game and would love to see him in a Flyers uni. Parise too, but the size of the Flyers forwards would resemble the Habs if you removed Carter and added Parise.

Besides, if Carter had still be on the table, the Rangers may have gotten a good player out of the 2003 draft, and this way is much more fun.

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Ya think?

I don't know if I could cheer for this team if Perry was a Flyer. We already have our ***** content filled with a few others. Thanks, but I'll take Richards over Perry any day of the week. Perry can score goals, no doubt. But that's the only area he excels over Richards.

I'm happy with Carter, but I love Getzlaf's game and would love to see him in a Flyers uni. Parise too, but the size of the Flyers forwards would resemble the Habs if you removed Carter and added Parise.

Besides, if Carter had still be on the table, the Rangers may have gotten a good player out of the 2003 draft, and this way is much more fun.
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Kesler: 36 goals, 32 assists, 68 pts, plays in all situations.

He also wears the A in Vancouver. All reports are he is a good guy in the locker room, the reports of him being a dink were the Umberger stories with him at Ohio State.
I don't get your point.

Kesler
77GP 36G 32A 68P 57.2FO% 20:36 TOI/G

Carter
74GP 35G 29A 65P 55.0FO% 18:06 TOI/G

Both wear the A.


So, yes. Carter rarely plays the PK. But you don't need 3 of your best forwards to carry the load when you have bottom 6 guys who do their job just fine (Betts, Powe, Nodl). And it's not like Carter sucks at playing the PK. He actually averaged 3:03 SHTOI/G in 08/09 when the Flyers' PK was ranked 6th in the league.
Kesler's better defensively and has a marginal better year offensively (playing on a team that has the best PP in the league as opposed to the horror that is the Flyers power play) while Carter's still the better goal scorer (one less goal in 3 less games doesn't change that).
Getzlaf and Parise (injury aside) supersede both Carter and Kesler and I don't think it's debatable.

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I'm more than happy with who we have. Kesler has just come into his own this season. I really like Getzlaf but I also think Carter hasn't hit his ceiling yet, he improves his game every year and as far as Richards goes, we have a guy that plays in all situations and leads by example. We're really lucky that we had 2 picks that year!

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I don't get your point.

Kesler
77GP 36G 32A 68P 57.2FO% 20:36 TOI/G

Carter
74GP 35G 29A 65P 55.0FO% 18:06 TOI/G

Both wear the A.


So, yes. Carter rarely plays the PK. But you don't need 3 of your best forwards to carry the load when you have bottom 6 guys who do their job just fine (Betts, Powe, Nodl). And it's not like Carter sucks at playing the PK. He actually averaged 3:03 SHTOI/G in 08/09 when the Flyers' PK was ranked 6th in the league.
Kesler's better defensively and has a marginal better year offensively (playing on a team that has the best PP in the league as opposed to the horror that is the Flyers power play) while Carter's still the better goal scorer (one less goal in 3 less games doesn't change that).
Getzlaf and Parise (injury aside) supersede both Carter and Kesler and I don't think it's debatable.
If Richards and Giroux weren't on the kill, Carter would be. It's a situation of an embarrassment of riches with good defensive forwards in Philly. On another team, Carter would be playing the kill. If Lappy was available, Roo wouldn't be seeing much ice time on the kill.

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I'd consider Kesler and Parise, but I don't know if I'd do it in place of what we took. There's arguments to be made, but I'd rather not doubt what Richards and Carter have meant and will continue to mean to the team.

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I'd go with Richards and Parise...can never have too many heart and soul leaders that give their all when it matters.

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I'd consider Kesler and Parise, but I don't know if I'd do it in place of what we took. There's arguments to be made, but I'd rather not doubt what Richards and Carter have meant and will continue to mean to the team.
Parise would bring a goal scoring skill-level to this team that would be nice... and he'd certainly help in shootouts, which does matter in the standings, obviously.

The problem at this point is that Parise is going to be coming off a serious injury.

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