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04-05-2011, 02:00 PM
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Hal Gill

Hey guys, coming in peace here... If this thread seems misplaced Mods, sorry, you can move it , delete it, or close it.


I just wanted to ask a question:

Hal Gill -- how significant was he to the Penguins D?

Did he play a big role in the Cup win?

Would he be of any interest, as he's UFA?

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He definitely played second fiddle to Scuds, but that pairing did wonders for us. Gill was awesome on the PK, I thought.

He's one of those guys that does a lot, but it doesn't seem so. At the same time, you notice when he's gone. Very difficult to dissect his game. Example: He's great at clearing the zone and not turning the puck over but terrible at making a good pass out of the zone. One good, one bad.

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I kind of had a soft spot for the guy. While he was slow and immobile at times, his positioning, I thought, was very good. He was pretty good on the PK as well, and i'd certainly say he contributed to the Pens stanley cup run. Without a doubt.

I don't however see any chance of the Pens bringing him back to the orginization.

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He played a pretty big role on a shutdown pair with Scuderi during their cup run. Not sure if you were asking if we would have any interest in him now, but if so, there's no chance with our current D corps.

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Hey guys, coming in peace here... If this thread seems misplaced Mods, sorry, you can move it , delete it, or close it.


I just wanted to ask a question:

Hal Gill -- how significant was he to the Penguins D?

Did he play a big role in the Cup win?

Would he be of any interest, as he's UFA?
He annoyed me in the regular season, but just as I told my Hab fan friends when they signed him: You'll LOVE him in the playoffs.

To put things mildly: We don't win a Stanley Cup without Hal Gill. He and Scuderi shut everyone down (except for Ovechkin in a sense) the entire playoffs. He was also on the ice when the final buzzer went off in game 7 against Detroit. That shows how much faith the staff had in him.

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1. Zero interest in bringing him back given how stacked we are defensively. And even if we were not, he is not worth anywhere close to what he was paid.

2. He was very good at the limited things he did. That said, there were many who could have done the same. We got him on the cheap, and were very happy with what he brought for the cost at the time. But keep a bit of perspective, he was no world beater, just very servicable in a role we needed at that time.

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Not sure if you were asking if we would have any interest in him now, but if so, there's no chance with our current D corps.
If lets say there was an open spot, would you want him back?

I'm just trying to gauge if you guys miss him in anyway.

Habs fans underestimate him and I guess I'm trying to see your opinions.

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If lets say there was an open spot, would you want him back?

I'm just trying to gauge if you guys miss him in anyway.

Habs fans underestimate him and I guess I'm trying to see your opinions.
If we had a spot on the bottom pairing where he got limited minutes, then yeah I wouldn't mind seeing him back.

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If lets say there was an open spot, would you want him back?

I'm just trying to gauge if you guys miss him in anyway.

Habs fans underestimate him and I guess I'm trying to see your opinions.
I would have taken him back in a heartbeat last year.

This year I wouldn't, but only because we're pretty stacked at that position.

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He is a solid defender, but I don't really miss him. He was a bit too slow sometimes, but paired with Letang his speed wouldn't be a problem.

I'd rather have Scuderi back than Gill, but I am way more happy about Michalek.

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If lets say there was an open spot, would you want him back?

I'm just trying to gauge if you guys miss him in anyway.

Habs fans underestimate him and I guess I'm trying to see your opinions.
For an "open spot," I would say sure. Even though he is up there in age, speed has obviously never been a big part of his game and we would not be asking him to log a ton of minutes anyway. He would be able to fill in for injuries in the top 4, would be an asset to the pk, and would be a generally positive presence as a big veteran NHLer with a lot of playoff experience. I don't know if he would be happy in the more limited role and smaller salary it would take to put him on this team, but I could see dressing him instead of someone like Deryk Engelland.

The best way to use Gill has always been to not depend on him for too much, but he can play a limited role extremely well.

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If we had a spot on the bottom pairing where he got limited minutes, then yeah I wouldn't mind seeing him back.
Over who? If you remember he could barely move. His best use was on the PK, and you could put up with him in other roles if you had no better options, which we did not at the time. he was painful to watch at times skating with the puck. He is also a couple years older now. Overall would rather have someone like Niskanen back there who can fill the role in all situations. And if we are talking off season we mave Despres in the pipeline, etc. He was great at the time, and filled a real need in a quality way. I have no problem giving him his due. I just do not see it today.

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Over who? If you remember he could barely move. His best use was on the PK, and you could put up with him in other roles if you had no better options, which we did not at the time. he was painful to watch at times skating with the puck. He is also a couple years older now. Overall would rather have someone like Niskanen back there who can fill the role in all situations. And if we are talking off season we mave Despres in the pipeline, etc. He was great at the time, and filled a real need in a quality way. I have no problem giving him his due. I just do not see it today.
I said "if." That would imply we didn't have any of those guys on our team or in our system. The fact that we do means I don't want him back.

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He is a solid defender, but I don't really miss him. He was a bit too slow sometimes, but paired with Letang his speed wouldn't be a problem.

I'd rather have Scuderi back than Gill, but I am way more happy about Michalek.
Yeah, that's the main thing at this point. Michalek makes it very easy to say goodbye to Scuds and the USS Gill.

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I said "if." That would imply we didn't have any of those guys on our team or in our system. The fact that we do means I don't want him back.
Ah, we are saying the same thing then.

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He wasn't good enough at clearing the crease even though he's huge. He's very effective in the playoffs because he is allowed to bear hug and not get called for it.

Was good for us, but I wouldn't want him back

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Depends what kind of money he's looking at. If we had the space, he's sort of the #5 defenseman I am clamoring for.

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A guy like Gill would also really help Niskanen develop, IMO.

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Ah, we are saying the same thing then.
Yeah. I just meant for example that if Despres wasn't ready yet and we didn't have guys like Lovejoy, Engelland, or Niskanen, then I wouldn't mind signing him for a year to let the other prospects get more experience at the AHL level. He's not a bad stop-gap and he would be great on the PK while limiting his even strength minutes.

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He definitely played second fiddle to Scuds, but that pairing did wonders for us. Gill was awesome on the PK, I thought.

He's one of those guys that does a lot, but it doesn't seem so. At the same time, you notice when he's gone. Very difficult to dissect his game. Example: He's great at clearing the zone and not turning the puck over but terrible at making a good pass out of the zone. One good, one bad.
You're much smarter than me, so excuse me for disagreeing, but Gill always looked like the best player on that pairing, to me. In fact, Gill was the only partner Scuderi ever looked effective with. I give a lot of credit to Gill for that. The Scuderi-Whitney pairing from the year before made my eyes hurt.

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You're much smarter than me, so excuse me for disagreeing, but Gill always looked like the best player on that pairing, to me. In fact, Gill was the only partner Scuderi ever looked effective with. I give a lot of credit to Gill for that. The Scuderi-Whitney pairing from the year before made my eyes hurt.
Whitney will do that to you defensively though...

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Who else remembers that goal Gill scored after Malkin set him up? He was flying down the wing and just sniped one top shelf.

I literally jumped out of my seat when he scored that. :bigalugh:

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if they get a new defensemen in the off-season,better be a lefty one that can play the point on the PP.

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You're much smarter than me, so excuse me for disagreeing, but Gill always looked like the best player on that pairing, to me. In fact, Gill was the only partner Scuderi ever looked effective with. I give a lot of credit to Gill for that. The Scuderi-Whitney pairing from the year before made my eyes hurt.
The Melichar - Scuderi pairing from 2007 must have given you a coronary then.

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To put things mildly: We don't win a Stanley Cup without Hal Gill.
Wow. That's a big statement. For the record, I'm a Gill fan. And I watched the Pens run mostly, and was extremely excited when we got him.

Because I felt the same way as you...

(but just wanted opinions from the fans that would know better than me)

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