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04-07-2011, 06:23 PM
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Coach: Dick Irvin Sr
Captain: Eddie Gerard
Alternates: Jaromir Jagr and Bill Hay at home, Johnny Gottselig and Dan Bain on the road.

Doug Bentley
- Henrik Zetterberg - Jaromir Jagr
Johnny Gottselig - Mike Modano - Claude Provost
Rick Nash - Dan Bain - Paul Henderson
Camille Henry - Bill "Red" Hay - Art Gagne
Jim Peplinski, Martin Straka

Eddie Gerard - Chris Pronger
Gary Bergman - Joe Simpson
Alexei Gusarov - Kjell Samuelsson
Pekka Rautakillio, Adrian Aucoin

Curtis Joseph
Vladimir Dzurilla

Even strength roles
1. The Modano line will get the tough matchups and probably play the most even strength minutes as a line. (I modelled it after the Henri Richard-Provost line in Montreal and the Modano-Lehtinen line in Dallas).

2. The other lines will get fairly balanced icetime, I don't have a strong preference. Maybe coach Irvin will.

3. Exceptions: Jagr will get double-shifted for offensive zone faceoffs sometimes. Camille Henry will ideally not go out for many defensive zone faceoffs. Paul Henderson's ability to play both RW and LW well will facilitate this.

4. Pronger-Gerard are obviously the big minute, tough minute guys on the back end. Bergman-Simpson get more offensive zone faceoffs, Gusarov-Samuelsson get more defensive zone faceoffs.

Power play options
Core forwards: Henry around the net, Jagr on the right half boards.
Other forwards: Modano, Bain, Zetterberg, Nash, Bentley, Gagne

Point: Simpson, Pronger, Bentley, Gerard (mostly first 3, and Bentley may also play up front with Gerard replacing him). Rautakallio if he is in the lineup

If you must see this in a more standard form...

Modano - Henry - Jagr
Bentley/Pronger/Simpson

Nash - Bain - Gagne
Bentley/Pronger/Simpson

with Gerard and Zetterberg in the mix.

Penalty kill units
Provost - Zetterberg
Pronger - Gerard

Bentley - Hay
Gusarov - Samuelsson

Gottselig - Modano
Bergman

Nash-Henderson (other options)


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04-07-2011, 06:35 PM
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If Holmstrom was solidly getting top-5 PP goals per year and Detroit was always 1st on the PP by a good margin over the rest of the teams, then I'd say Holmstrom has a case for an all-time great PP net presence. The issue is that none of these things are happening. Detroit has merely been a very strong PP team, but not so strong that you can say any one player has made a significant difference. This is the team that has been the best on paper for over a decade now, and it's not because of Holmstrom. I guarantee you that if Holmstrom was replaced with Franzen, for example, the results wouldn't be much different. Anyone can put their body in front of the net, and though they may not be as effective at it as Holmstrom, Detroit is so skilled that the pucks will go in anyways.

Gross overrating of Holmstrom, and I hope it ends some time soon.
If Holmström would have such effect on teams PP, he would have gone as late as in the 2nd round. Your expectations are a bit off. If people are picking Pk-specialists, than there is a place for Holmström.

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04-07-2011, 06:37 PM
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If Holmström would have such effect on teams PP, he would have gone as late as in the 2nd round. Your expectations are a bit off. If people are picking Pk-specialists, than there is a place for Holmström.
What the ****? Are you serious? Picking a dominant PP specialist who does nothing at ES in the 2nd round? ROFL!!!

The thing about PK specialists is that they are also quite capable of defending at ES as well most of the time, and they'll be spending just as much, if not more time at ES than on the PK. Holmstrom brings nothing at ES. Nothing.

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04-07-2011, 06:54 PM
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GM: Leafs Forever13
Head Coach: Pete Green
Captain: Ron Francis
Assistant Captains:Pierre Pilote, Ed Van Impe

Nels Stewart-Ron Francis(C)-Dave Taylor
Harry P. Watson(A)-Bernie Morris-Martin St. Louis
Percy Galbraith-Charlie Burns-Eric Nesterenko
Gerard Gallant-Bernie Nicholls-Leo Labine

Pierre Pilote(A)-Albert "Babe" Siebert
Art Ross-Ed Van Impe(A)
Brian Engblom-Doug Barkley

Ken Dryden
John Ross Roach

Spares:
Mike Rogers, C
Cecil Blachford, F
Fredrik Olausson, D
Joe Juneau, C/LW

Special Teams:
PP1: Babe Siebert-Nels Stewart-Martin St.Louis-Pierre Pilote-Art Ross
PP2: Bernie Nicholls-Bernie Morris-Dave Taylor-Ron Francis-Doug Barkley

PK1: Charlie Burns-Eric Nesterenko-Babe Siebert- Ed Van Impe
PK2: Percy Galbraith-Ron Francis-Brian Engblom-Pierre Pilote
PK3: Bernie Nicholls-Martin St. Louis-Brian Engblom-Ed Van Impe

Approximate Ice-Time:
Forwards
NameESPPSHTotal
Stewart154019
Francis1522.519.5
Taylor153018
Watson130013
Morris133016
St.Louis1341.518.5
Nesterenko100313
Burns90312
Galbraith902.511.5
Nicholls103013
Gallant8008
Labine8008

Defensemen
NameESPPSHTotal
Pilote205025
Siebert174324
Ross16.55022.5
Van Impe14.50519.5
Engblom120417
Barkley122014

Pilote-Siebert: 17 Mins
Ross-Van Impe: 14 mins
Engblom-Barkley: 12 mins
Pilote-Ross: 2.5 mins
Pilote-Impe: 0.5 min

Galbraith-Burns-Nesterenko: 8 mins
Galbraith-Nicholls-Nesterenko: 1 min
Burns-Nicholls-Nesterenko: 1 min


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04-07-2011, 07:06 PM
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OK here is my completely roster with a couple of tweaks:

Head coach - Punch Imlach
Assistant - Alain VIgneault

Steve SHutt-Howie Morenz-Daniel Briere
John Leclair-Eric Lindros-Kenny Wharam
John Tonelli-Walt TKazcuk-Bobby Schmautz
Zach Parise-Kris Draper-Adam Deadmarsh

Flash Hollett-Tim Horton
Ebbie Goodfellow-Keith Magnusson
Roman Hamrlik-Robert Svehla

Lorne Chabot
Nik Khabibulin

Spares: Tomas Holmstrom, Alexei Yashin, Lubomir Visnovski

PP1: Leclair-Lindros-Morenz-Goodfellow-Hollett
PP2: Shutt-Tonelli-Wharram-Horton-Hamrlik

PK1: -Tkaczuk-Schmautz-Magnuson-Horton
PK2: -Tonelli-Draper-Goodfellow-Svehla
I'll give it a try...

1st line: Howie Morenz is a great 1st line center , but he's bias toward goalscoring so I'm not that high on the Shutt-Morenz duo , and even though I like Brière as a player , he's definately not a good ATD 1st line player so he definitely can't fix the Shutt-Morenz goalscoring bias problem.Having said that , the talent of Morenz is part of the solution and clearly they will be able to score but the chemistry is just not there imo.

2nd line:One of the best 2nd line and one of my favorite line , the LeClair-Lindros combo doesn't need to be analysed because they proved they worked together , they bring physical play as well as a lot of offense and intimidation , and you just wish Wharram will capitalize on the fact his 2 linemates are above-average in their respective role to follow to wave.

3rd line:I'll skip this one , nothing negative/positive just unsure of myself.

4th line:I think your 4th line is solid

1st pairing:I like Tim Horton , but I'm not really sure about Flash Hollet on a 1st pairing , sure the guy was good offensively , but I wonder how he was defensively , I will take a look at his bio after ( im in a hurry now just wanted to participate ) but wasn't he not that good defensively?

2nd pairing:It's not that bad but with the Hollet question mark I wonder if t is enough , especially since Magnusson will often get injured, unfortunately.

3rd pairing: As a big Hamrlik fan , I have a bit of a positive bias for him , I think he's easily a 3rd pairing guy as Hamrlik is one of the best to step up when someone goes down and vary his play depending on his role.

Goalie:Average

Spares: I hate holmstrom there , I like Yashin as a player but hate the fact he's in my lockerroom to be a spare , and I definitely like Visnovsky.

If anybody disagree go ahead I'm very open about it as I am a rookie and it's my first assassination.

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04-07-2011, 07:13 PM
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A player-minute of special teams time is considerably more important, and more valuable, than a player-minute of even strength time. Because there are fewer players on the ice and more goals happen per minute.

Considering that, and how little time the 4th even strength line generally spends on the ice, I think a position on the second power play unit is more important than a position on the fourth line.

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04-07-2011, 07:17 PM
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Geez, guys.. I really can't believe you aren't seeing what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a guy who HAS to play some even strength time, and that even strength time has virtually no chance of doing much good, but I definitely see the potential for bad. An extra 5 PP goals per year isn't going to make him look any better in my mind. He doesn't belong in the ATD.

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i would agree if it was on a 1st unit , but 2nd unit I don't think so , the time he will spend on the 4th line is very dangerous time for his team.
Exactly.. if he's on the ice for as many or more goals against at ES due to his failure than goals he helps create on the PP, then what's the point of having him? And I see this as a very real possibility.

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Geez, guys.. I really can't believe you aren't seeing what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a guy who HAS to play some even strength time, and that even strength time has virtually no chance of doing much good, but I definitely see the potential for bad. An extra 5 PP goals per year isn't going to make him look any better in my mind. He doesn't belong in the ATD.
Will he really only add 5 PP goals per season compared to a player who could have taken his place?

How will he effect the even strength goal differential relative to a player who could have been drafted in his place? Are you sure you're not overestimating it? The fact that he's subpar at ES in an ATD sense doesn't mean he's going to make them essentially shorthanded or something.

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04-07-2011, 07:34 PM
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Because there are fewer players on the ice and more goals happen per minute.
Hmm.. do they?

Taking an average team, NYR this year (17th in PP%, 15th in G/G).

21 power play goals, 198 non-PP goals.

286 PP opportunities, 17.1%, so (286 * 2 / (1 + .171 / 2)) / 80 = 6.59 = 6:34~ PP minutes per game. Therefore, they play (60 + (5 * 17 / 2 / 80) = 61.28 - 6.59 = 54.69 = 54:41 non-PP minutes per game.

198 / 54.69 = 3.62 non-PP goals per non-PP minute per game.
21 / 6.59 = 3.19 PP goals per PP minute per game.

What was that again?

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04-07-2011, 07:45 PM
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Geez, guys.. I really can't believe you aren't seeing what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a guy who HAS to play some even strength time, and that even strength time has virtually no chance of doing much good, but I definitely see the potential for bad. An extra 5 PP goals per year isn't going to make him look any better in my mind. He doesn't belong in the ATD.
I think that the 3 minutes a 2nd PP unit will play in the playoffs is a lot more important than the 5 minutes the 4th line will play.

Obviously, its better to get a guy who is effective at both.

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I think that the 3 minutes a 2nd PP unit will play in the playoffs is a lot more important than the 5 minutes the 4th line will play.

Obviously, its better to get a guy who is effective at both.
And my analysis of goals per minute on the most average team in the NHL says otherwise.

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GM: Dwight
Coach: Boris Kulagin
Captain: Mario Lemieux
Alternate Captains: Boris Mikhailov, Jim Schoenfeld

Paul Kariya - Mario Lemieux - Boris Mikhailov
Vsevolod Bobrov - Bernie Federko - Harry Oliver
Gilles Tremblay - Bob Bourne - Gary Dornhoefer
Bob Davidson - Ray Getliffe - Marcel Bonin
Don Grosso - Bronco Horvath

Lionel Conacher - Jan Suchy
Jim Schoenfeld - Stefan Persson
Petr Svoboda - Andrei Markov
Doug Jarrett - Bruce Driver

Hap Holmes
Tomas Vokoun

PP1
Paul Kariya - Mario Lemieux - Boris Mikhailov
Jan Suchy - Stefan Persson

PP2
Vsevolod Bobrov - Bernie Federko - Harry Oliver
Lionel Conacher - Andrei Markov

PK1
Bob Davidson - Bob Bourne
Lionel Conacher - Jim Schoenfeld

PK2
Gilles Tremblay - Ray Getliffe
Jan Suchy - Petr Svoboda

PK3
Mario Lemieux - Boris Mikhailov
Lionel Conacher - Jan Suchy

Hero Line
Vsevolod Bobrov - Mario Lemieux - Boris Mikhailov
Lionel Conacher - Jan Suchy
Coaching:

Not sure what to make of kulagin. He coached the USSR for a few years, performed respectably against canada, and lost to Czechoslovakia more often than he probably should have. I'd like him better with a good assistant.

Forwards:

First line is awesome. Most dominant offensive line in the draft. They might be vulnerable to lazy backchecking and the counterattack, but the other team actually has to have the puck to counter, so maybe not.

I don't like your second line. The talent is there, but not the mix. No viable puck winner, and perhaps even worse, it will be a major liability when bobrov cherrypicks. I don't know why GMs draft Bobrov and don't put him with a two-way center at minimum. Given how offensively dominant your first line is, you really could have used a second line that can take defensive zone draws, not one that should never take them.

Decent two way play and grit from your lower lines, nothing special. Doenhoefer isn't a defensive presence, though Bonin is. Not sure I'd want to give either of your lower lines big minutes, but they can check and grind reasonably well without being morons with the puck on their sticks.

Defense:

Conacher is a physical beast - great defensively and big slap shot. I see him more an elite #2 than a true #1 though. I feel I'm a bigger fan of suchy than most, but even I wouldn't feel quite comfortable with him on a top pair, given lingering questions about his competition. Elite second pairing puck mover, ideally I think.

Schoenfeld is fine as second pair shut down guy. Markov > Persson and should get a bigger even strength role. There, I said it. Screw ATD canon. Both are puck movers, but I like Markov more with more minutes. Svoboda is a perfectly acceptable bottom pairing guy.

Spare D is great, spare forwards are okay.

Goaltending:

Hap holmes is a legit starter but a bit below average I think. Seems like most observers thought Lehman was better. Holmes' playoff record is great though! Vokoun is okay as a backup I guess, just don't expect much of him in the playoffs.

Special teams:

First PP is awesome.

Pointmen on the second PP are very good - all Conacher has to offer here is his shot, but we all know that Markov is great at setting up his partner. I still don't think the unit will be all that effective though - there is no credible net presence here unless you know something about Bobrov that I don't.

PKs are fine - only Conacher is great for his role, but nobody is out of place.

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I'll give it a try...

1st line: Howie Morenz is a great 1st line center , but he's bias toward goalscoring so I'm not that high on the Shutt-Morenz duo , and even though I like Brière as a player , he's definately not a good ATD 1st line player so he definitely can't fix the Shutt-Morenz goalscoring bias problem.Having said that , the talent of Morenz is part of the solution and clearly they will be able to score but the chemistry is just not there imo.

2nd line:One of the best 2nd line and one of my favorite line , the LeClair-Lindros combo doesn't need to be analysed because they proved they worked together , they bring physical play as well as a lot of offense and intimidation , and you just wish Wharram will capitalize on the fact his 2 linemates are above-average in their respective role to follow to wave.

3rd line:I'll skip this one , nothing negative/positive just unsure of myself.

4th line:I think your 4th line is solid

1st pairing:I like Tim Horton , but I'm not really sure about Flash Hollet on a 1st pairing , sure the guy was good offensively , but I wonder how he was defensively , I will take a look at his bio after ( im in a hurry now just wanted to participate ) but wasn't he not that good defensively?

2nd pairing:It's not that bad but with the Hollet question mark I wonder if t is enough , especially since Magnusson will often get injured, unfortunately.

3rd pairing: As a big Hamrlik fan , I have a bit of a positive bias for him , I think he's easily a 3rd pairing guy as Hamrlik is one of the best to step up when someone goes down and vary his play depending on his role.

Goalie:Average

Spares: I hate holmstrom there , I like Yashin as a player but hate the fact he's in my lockerroom to be a spare , and I definitely like Visnovsky.

If anybody disagree go ahead I'm very open about it as I am a rookie and it's my first assassination.
Not a bad read, thanks for putting in the time.

I've made the point time after time throughout the draft threads that Morenz's record as a playmaker is very good. He had I think it was 7 top 10 finishes in assists, with a 1st place finish, and 3 top 3's. I really don't see the chemistry issue with my first line.

I think you underrate my 1st line and overrate my 2nd line slightly.

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Hmm.. do they?

Taking an average team, NYR this year (17th in PP%, 15th in G/G).

21 power play goals, 198 non-PP goals.

286 PP opportunities, 17.1%, so (286 * 2 / (1 + .171 / 2)) / 80 = 6.59 = 6:34~ PP minutes per game. Therefore, they play (60 + (5 * 17 / 2 / 80) = 61.28 - 6.59 = 54.69 = 54:41 non-PP minutes per game.

198 / 54.69 = 3.62 non-PP goals per non-PP minute per game.
21 / 6.59 = 3.19 PP goals per PP minute per game.

What was that again?
Say what? The Devils have the fewest PPG in the league and they have 34.

The Rangers have 49 PP goals this year.

Your average PP advantage isn't 2 minutes either.

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Hmm.. do they?

Taking an average team, NYR this year (17th in PP%, 15th in G/G).

21 power play goals, 198 non-PP goals.

286 PP opportunities, 17.1%, so (286 * 2 / (1 + .171 / 2)) / 80 = 6.59 = 6:34~ PP minutes per game. Therefore, they play (60 + (5 * 17 / 2 / 80) = 61.28 - 6.59 = 54.69 = 54:41 non-PP minutes per game.

198 / 54.69 = 3.62 non-PP goals per non-PP minute per game.
21 / 6.59 = 3.19 PP goals per PP minute per game.

What was that again?
Rangers have 158 ES goals, 49 PP goals, and 11 SHGs this year. Source = hockey-reference. I have no idea where you get your numbers, but 21 PP goals would be absurdly low for a team in a season.

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Rangers have 158 ES goals, 49 PP goals, and 11 SHGs this year. Source = hockey-reference. I have no idea where you get your numbers, but 21 PP goals would be absurdly low for a team in a season.
Nevermind. I see what I did wrong.

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Hmm.. do they?

Taking an average team, NYR this year (17th in PP%, 15th in G/G).

21 power play goals, 198 non-PP goals.

286 PP opportunities, 17.1%, so (286 * 2 / (1 + .171 / 2)) / 80 = 6.59 = 6:34~ PP minutes per game. Therefore, they play (60 + (5 * 17 / 2 / 80) = 61.28 - 6.59 = 54.69 = 54:41 non-PP minutes per game.

198 / 54.69 = 3.62 non-PP goals per non-PP minute per game.
21 / 6.59 = 3.19 PP goals per PP minute per game.

What was that again?
Actual numbers from www.behindthenet.ca

Average team:
5 vs 5: 3801 minutes, 307 GF+GA, 4.85 Goals/60
4 vs 4: 138 minutes, 14 GF+GA, 5.98 Goals/60
5 vs 4: 448 minutes, 51.5 GF+GA, 6.90 Goals/60
5 vs 3: 12 minutes, 5 GF+GA, 23.30 Goals/60

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Hmm.. do they?

Taking an average team, NYR this year (17th in PP%, 15th in G/G).

21 power play goals, 198 non-PP goals.

286 PP opportunities, 17.1%, so (286 * 2 / (1 + .171 / 2)) / 80 = 6.59 = 6:34~ PP minutes per game. Therefore, they play (60 + (5 * 17 / 2 / 80) = 61.28 - 6.59 = 54.69 = 54:41 non-PP minutes per game.

198 / 54.69 = 3.62 non-PP goals per non-PP minute per game.
21 / 6.59 = 3.19 PP goals per PP minute per game.

What was that again?
First, you are taking total PP goals and minutes per game, you need to look at PP goals per game. Doesn't 3+ goals PER MINUTE sound off?


Second, there is no need to estimate the PP time. NHL.com has the exact PP time for each team, and even breaks it down by PP type (5-4, 5-3, etc.)

The Rangers had 471:37 of 5-4 PP time this year and scored 44 5-4 PP goals. That's 44 goals / 471.62 minutes = 0.093 5-4 PP goals per 5-4 PP minute.

Unfortunately, I could not find non-PP time or even total minutes played, although it could be easily figured out by looking at all OT games.

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Actual numbers from www.behindthenet.ca

Average team:
5 vs 5: 3801 minutes, 307 GF+GA, 4.85 Goals/60
4 vs 4: 138 minutes, 14 GF+GA, 5.98 Goals/60
5 vs 4: 448 minutes, 51.5 GF+GA, 6.90 Goals/60
5 vs 3: 12 minutes, 5 GF+GA, 23.30 Goals/60
I would imagine the difference is bigger than that in the playoffs.

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Hod Stuart shouldn't play 26 minutes a game here. Those minutes after the 20th-22nd are going to be very labored and ineffective compared to giving some lower guys more minutes. Not to mention there are only 2 players in the entire league who even have over 26 minutes per game (this year).
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This is true, but I always thought it wasn't just the aggregate goal production that made him strong on the PP. Who knows how many goals were caused simply because he was in his office, even though he didn't get credit.
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Hmm.. that's a fair point. But how do you "quantify" that? For a guy with his reputation as "one of the best at what he does", I really would like to see a quantified analysis of it, simply because it's hard to gauge just how effective he'd be in the ATD. If his reputation holds true, then he's likely to boost PP offense simply by just being there, and that in and of itself demands that he gets drafted higher than usual (how many guys can that actually be said of?).
Oh, it could quite easily be shown that Detroit has had among the best PP in the NHL during his career, if not the best. But then you'd say that was due to guys like Lidstrom, Fedorov, Datsyuk, etc, and you'd be right. But anyone who sees a few Detroit games can see right away that Holmstrom is a valuable PP player. (being a valuable PP player in the ATD is of course different)

jarek, your PP calculation made me LOL.

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Head Coach: Joel Quenneville
Assistant Coach: Marc Crawford

Roy Conacher-Syl Apps Sr.-Gordie Drillon
Keith Tkachuk-Dale Hawerchuk-Billy Boucher
Frank "Pud" Glass-Ernie Russell-Bruce Stuart
Wayne Merrick-Ryan Kesler-Ron Stewart

Spares: RW Billy Gilmour, W Bruce Ridpath

Denis Potvin-Ken Morrow
Hobey Baker-Dunc Munro
Sandis Ozolinsh-Al Arbour
D/F Walter Smaill

Dominik Hasek
Ryan Miller


PP1: Tkachuk-Hawerchuk-Boucher-Potvin-Ozolinsh
PP2: Conacher-Apps-Drillon-Baker-Munro

PK1: Kesler-Stewart-Arbour-Morrow
PK2: Merrick-Glass-Munro-Potvin
FORWARDS

First Line: That's a pretty good first line with a little bit of everything on it. Shouldn't have much trouble scoring goals or making plays. Pretty one-dimensional line though.

Second Line: This also isn't a terrible line, Hawerchuk and Tkachuk could form a strong scoring line. Tkachuk is also a great power forward.

Third Line: Line lacks a real playmaker. Bruce Stuart is a good offensive piece that works on that line. Glass brings some good grit to the line.

Fourth Line: Questionable fourth line, some good defensive forwards here. Kesler is a great player to have, but I don't really see this line having a lot of offensive success, matched with the right line, could be very effective.

Spares: I like Gilmour, he's a good player to have as a spare.

DEFENSE

First Pairing: Denis Potvin is an all-time top 5 defenseman, paired with Ken Morrow? Definitely not a first pairing defenseman. But I think Potvin will be able to play well enough and complement Morrow to make it a successful pairing.

Second Pairing: Not a very strong pairing, I can see a lot of errors coming from this one. It will be very difficult for them to contain a good offensive line.

Third Pairing: Pretty good contrast pairing. A offensive defenseman, and a smart defensive defenseman. Both of this and the second pairings are third pairings. There is a huge drop-off between the top pairing and these two.

Spares: Can't comment on Smaill, not sure who he is.

GOALTENDING

Top-3 goaltender all-time in Hasek, he should play fantastic in the regular season, and pretty good in the playoffs. I'm the not the biggest fan of your defense beyond Potvin-Morrow, Hasek could face a lot of shots if the D aren't on their game. Miller is an average/subpar back-up in the ATD, should be alright in the few games he has to play.

COACHING

Quenneville/Crawford aren't a bad tandem. Quenneville is a middle-lower class coach. Who has some intangibles, but you have pretty good offense and mediocre defense, I think that it's a fairly good team for Quenneville.

OVERVIEW

Potvin may get tired playing in so many top roles, he can only do so much for the player he is. Unfortunately there is not much depth on the teams defense. And that could hurt you a lot. Your forward core is good and should be a pretty potent offensive team, and you shouldn't have many goaltending problems. Unless the defense falters allowing Hasek to face more shots than he can handle.

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Head Coach: John Tortorella
Assistant Coach: Dan Bylsma
Captain: Sid Abel
Assistant Captains: Owen Nolan, Jamie Langenbrunner, Shea Weber


ROSTER
Abel - Petrov - B. Hextall
Mats Naslund - Malkin - Nolan
Andreychuk - Getzlaf - March
Roberts - Peca - Langenbrunner
Spares: Semenko, Kopitar

Baun - Orr
Daneyko - Jovanovski
Suter - Weber
Spares: Green

Durnan
Thomas


PP1:
Andreychuk - Petrov - B. Hextall
Abel - Orr

PP2:
Roberts - Malkin - Nolan
Weber - Jovanovski

PK1:
Peca - Langenbrunner
Baun - Orr

PK2:
Getzlaf - Nolan
Daneyko - Suter

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Pat Burns

Captain: Sylvio Mantha
Alternate: Alex Delvecchio
Alternate: Nikolai Sologubov

Tikkanen-Delvecchio-Darragh
Sedin-Sedin-Kerr
Patrick-Nilsson-Hyland
Fleming-Madden-Sutter

Spares: Granato, Cloutier, Lang

The third and fourth lines are interchangeable lines who will get minutes based off of matchups. If we feel we need to shut down a good second line, we will use the 4th more often, and if we need more offense we will use the third line more. With Burns coaching, I think we know which way that will lean.

Gadsby-Mantha
Sologubov-Harmon
Regehr-Tregubov

Spare: Kubina

Plante
Turco

PP: The two forward units will get even time, Gadsby about 60-65%, and Delvecchio about 70%, with Sologubov coming on for Gadsby when he leaves.

Patrick-Nilsson-Kerr
Delvecchio-Gadsby

Sedin-Sedin-Hyland
Mantha-Sologubov

Other PP options: Darragh, Cloutier, Granato (in front of net)

PK:

Tikkanen-Madden
Gadsby-Mantha

Fleming-Delvecchio/Sutter
Regehr-Harmon

Other PK options: Darragh

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