HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Habs should sign Wisniewski over Markov

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-08-2011, 12:55 PM
  #126
Boardish
Registered User
 
Boardish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,827
vCash: 500
It really seem like some people completely forgot about what Markov brings. He is the only elite skater we had in the last few years. He is probably top 5 in the league on the powerplay, a beast defensively... There's very few defensemen better than Markov in the league.

It's a no brainer. You HAVE to sign Markov.

Boardish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 12:55 PM
  #127
swimmer77
Post Oates
 
swimmer77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: in water
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 3,486
vCash: 500
Is Wiz a legitimate top 4 d-man?

swimmer77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 12:58 PM
  #128
Gary320
Registered User
 
Gary320's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 14,576
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyDarmody View Post
So you rather spend a 2nd rounder every year finding a Wizniewski after three months of watching our PP fail?

Lost Streit. Paid a Kings Ransom for Schneider. Lost Schneider. Signed MAB in desperation. Lost MAB (rightfully so). Traded a 2nd + Cond. 5th for Wisniewski.

How about we nip that in the bud once and for all.
I'm saying.. priority. Without a doubt.. Markov > Wiz in priority.

Gary320 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 12:58 PM
  #129
Patccmoi
Registered User
 
Patccmoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,140
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxpac View Post
It's amazing how Gorges getting injured suddenly turned him into this great defensmen. He is not a top 4 D, he's just a very good 5th-6th defensmen who work hard and gets the job done defensively, that's it. That doesn't mean he's not useful though.

If yopu consider the age factor, injury factor and how the Subban-Wiz combo on the pp is almost as hot as the Markov-Souray of old, I think I would also concentrate on signing Wiz before Markov too. Markov is still a priorety though, Hammer is the one who will be packing his bags imo.
What are you talking about? People (and I included) loved Gorges and saw him as a top 4D this year before his injury...

Before Markov was injured, Gorges was playing with him on our first unit.

Then Markov got injured, and Gorges was playing as our 4th D (Hamrlik-Spacek, Gorges-Gill, Subban-Picard) and was doing very well.

He's a beast on the PK.

The guy is a solid #4 D that's a PK specialist. Imo he's the perfect complement of an offensive D-Man for a second pairing (I think a Gorges-Subban pairing as a 2nd unit would be great). I'd like someone more robust for the 1st pairing.

Patccmoi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 12:59 PM
  #130
bjac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,053
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyDarmody View Post
So you rather spend a 2nd rounder every year finding a Wizniewski after three months of watching our PP fail?

Lost Streit. Paid a Kings Ransom for Schneider. Lost Schneider. Signed MAB in desperation. Lost MAB. Traded a 2nd + Cond. 5th for Wisniewski.

How about we nip that in the bud once and for all.
To be fair, Wiz was only aquired because of injuries to Markov and Gorges... Going into the season there was really no desperate need for a guy like Wiz so that is why MAB was not retained. This move was a reaction to events that couldn't possibly be predicted.

bjac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:03 PM
  #131
DekeLikeYouMeanIt
RIP
 
DekeLikeYouMeanIt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,088
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjac View Post
To be fair, Wiz was only aquired because of injuries to Markov and Gorges... Going into the season there was really no desperate need for a guy like Wiz so that is why MAB was not retained. These moves were reactions to events that couldn't possibly be predicted.
MAB wasn't re-signed because he was **** on defense and when his point shot didn't work, he was a HUGE liability. Even Tampa is crying right now, because of his turnovers.

DekeLikeYouMeanIt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:03 PM
  #132
Karl Pilkington
Registered User
 
Karl Pilkington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio View Post
I don't think it's impossible to resign him and fit our other up coming free agents this season and next but it's very situational (assuming the club resigns Markov of course).

[...]
Love the avatar Mr. Scorpion.

Karl Pilkington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:04 PM
  #133
Pascal
Registered User
 
Pascal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,467
vCash: 500
Wiz is on a contract year and the biggest one of his career. He's a good player but there's a certain % of his performance that can be related to this.

Pascal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:11 PM
  #134
MarkyMarkov
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 44
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by hototogisu View Post
But all we have to do is bury Gomez and we're worry-free
yeah except finding a 2nd line center

MarkyMarkov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:14 PM
  #135
bjac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,053
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsolument90 View Post
MAB wasn't re-signed because he was **** on defense and when his point shot didn't work, he was a HUGE liability. Even Tampa is crying right now, because of his turnovers.
Nowhere did I say that MAB was a reliable defenseman. He's a PP specialist that we needed badly because of injuries. He was not re-signed because we did not require a PP specialist anymore and our injured players were going to be healthy again (they were clearly better players because they could actually play defense). My point is that he was a fix used to plug a hole that arose from circumstances that we could not predict. I don't understand how you assumed that I thought he was anything else.


Last edited by bjac: 04-08-2011 at 01:20 PM.
bjac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:15 PM
  #136
beowulf
Not a nice guy.
 
beowulf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 40,736
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to beowulf
Quote:
Originally Posted by 417 View Post
Looking forward to calling out all the fairweather Habs fans when Markov is back and leading this team next year

Unbelievable how quickly we forget what a player he is/was...
For sure. Wiz is not the General and never will be. Markov will be back patrolling the Habs blue line next year and putting up the points don't worry about it.

beowulf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:16 PM
  #137
WeThreeKings
DJ Nikita
 
WeThreeKings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 40,249
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to WeThreeKings
Horrible idea.

WeThreeKings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:21 PM
  #138
Jakomyte
Registered User
 
Jakomyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,233
vCash: 500
Would be great if we could find room for both, but Markov would certainly be my priority:

Markov-Subban
Gorges-Wiz
Hamrlik/Gill-Spacek
Weber

I'd also try to keep one of Hamrlik/Gill at a reduced role/price for 1 more year.

Jakomyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:28 PM
  #139
Delat
Registered User
 
Delat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,205
vCash: 500


As much as the guy helped us this season, I don't think he has the talent Markov has. The real fight here is Markov vs Subban. Will the team think we don't need Markov anymore now that we have Subban, I would still try him with a 1 ou 2 yr contract and see if he can play more than 3 games a year.

Delat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:30 PM
  #140
Fish on The Sand
Untouchable
 
Fish on The Sand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Nanaimo
Country: Canada
Posts: 51,782
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by intylerwetrust View Post
Granted, but ATL was just poorly managed, just drafted Stefan over a Sedin too. CLB havent had enough top 3 picks like CHI, PIT, WSH, and EDM have had which makes a difference.

NYI will have Tavares, Grabner, Okposo, Neidereiter, 2012 pick, Hamonic, DeHann, not to mention great forward depth in Moulson, Bailey, and Comeau going forward.... watch them be a regular a regular playoff team in a few years.
The Sedins refused to play in the NHL unless with each other. The only reason they had the first overall pick was because Burke didn't want to walk to the podium twice.

Fish on The Sand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:32 PM
  #141
mrCoffea*
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 894
vCash: 500
I want both, but I know it's gonna be tough

mrCoffea* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:47 PM
  #142
jadensdad
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 46
vCash: 500
say bye bye to the wiz

I like him but he is going to command 5m next on long term deal. We have to re sign subban and price after this year and it is going to cost. Forget about dealing spacek, his contract makes him untradable. I would offer a 1 year deal to the hammer @ 3m and georges 2.5 long term.

Defense next season

markov 5.5 3 years
subban .875
hammer 3.00 1 year
georges 2.5 4yrs
spacek 3.83
yemelin 8.75 1 year

weber 1 way contract @550 K
mara 500K

this way we have money to sign decent top 6 forward

jadensdad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 01:56 PM
  #143
HH
GO HABS GO!
 
HH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,356
vCash: 500
Errr...Markov >>>> Wisniewski.

However! I would keep both.

The more the merrier.

HH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 02:05 PM
  #144
Rutabaga
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Middle of Nowhere
Country: France
Posts: 979
vCash: 500
Wisniewski has gone through surgery (similar to Markov's) with the same knee already three times in his career...

He seems to be a efficient and reliable player now,, to say the least, so, why Markov wouldnt be able to do the same ?...

Rutabaga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 02:18 PM
  #145
swimmer77
Post Oates
 
swimmer77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: in water
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 3,486
vCash: 500
[QUOTE=Rutabaga;32207044]Wisniewski has gone through surgery (similar to Markov's) with the same knee already three times in his career...

He seems to be a efficient and reliable player now,, to say the least, so, why Markov wouldnt be able to do the same ?...[/QUOTE]

Because he's older and can't seem to take a hit. Not that I don't want to sign Markov, it's just how I view him. And if he's with the Habs next year, each time he gets hit my heart will skip a beat or two, possibly three. It could be a very straining season for me if he's in the lineup. LOL

swimmer77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 02:31 PM
  #146
417
Registered User
 
417's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ottawa
Country: Haiti
Posts: 20,478
vCash: 500
[QUOTE=swimmer77;32207274]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutabaga View Post
Wisniewski has gone through surgery (similar to Markov's) with the same knee already three times in his career...

He seems to be a efficient and reliable player now,, to say the least, so, why Markov wouldnt be able to do the same ?...[/QUOTE]

Because he's older and can't seem to take a hit. Not that I don't want to sign Markov, it's just how I view him. And if he's with the Habs next year, each time he gets hit my heart will skip a beat or two, possibly three. It could be a very straining season for me if he's in the lineup. LOL
Gimme a break! He's 4 years older!

As for him not being able to take a hit?

Please, you take 2 incidents in his career as some kind of measure for his ability to take hits? What about all the other hits in his 10+ year career that he's taken without any injury at all?

417 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 02:37 PM
  #147
Little Nilan
Registered User
 
Little Nilan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Praha
Country: Czech_ Republic
Posts: 8,209
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Little Nilan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutabaga View Post
Wisniewski has gone through surgery (similar to Markov's) with the same knee already three times in his career...

He seems to be a efficient and reliable player now,, to say the least, so, why Markov wouldnt be able to do the same ?...
Because Markov is an elderly citizen. Everyone knows you can't heal if you're over 30.

Little Nilan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 02:51 PM
  #148
We Want The 25
Go Habs Go
 
We Want The 25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,179
vCash: 500
keep Markov and Wiz and maybe gill for 1 year at price cut let hamrlik sopel mara go

Markov Subban
Gill Gorges
Spacek Wiz


or switch Gill and Wiz


thank you

We Want The 25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 03:02 PM
  #149
Ginu
Registered User
 
Ginu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,948
vCash: 500
Here's an idea. Play them together next year. Wiz is what Komisarek should have been offensively. Wiz may not be that good defensively, but since Komisarek left Montreal, his defensive problems have shown up as well. I think it would be an ideal partnership. Gives Marky someone with size to play with.

Ginu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-08-2011, 03:14 PM
  #150
The Doors
Registered User
 
The Doors's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,704
vCash: 500
I'd be curious to know how many guys on the team have had their knees shredded. That part of the body just wasn't designed for professional sports.

Cammelleri, Wizniewski... Gorges and Markov right now... Spacek just back from a knee injury. Kovalev and Koivu were always dealing with them, too.

Markov is still young, if anything he could come back stronger. The guy is basically robotic out there, and he's got the best surgeons in the world looking after a pretty common - although serious - injury. He's got a lot to prove and I'm sure once he gets back in the swing of things he'll be fine. His situation reminds me of Koivu's, actually. Might have to sign a few one-year deals at the same salary, but the guy loves Montreal so we won't have to worry abotu him leaving the Habs.1 year, 5 million. From there on out, if all goes well, repeat.

The Doors is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:39 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.