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04-07-2011, 03:33 PM
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News Article: Angry Holmgren Calls Private Meeting With Flyers

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Paul Holmgren flipped off the television. He was in South Jersey, watching his Flyers play in Ottawa, and decided he had seen enough.

Holmgren was tired of seeing his team, losers of 13 of its last 19 contests, free-fall through the Eastern Conference standings. So he took matters into his own hands yesterday.

Multiple team sources told the Daily News that Holmgren held a brief but very poignant closed-door meeting with all of the Flyers' players and coaches before their practice yesterday at the Skate Zone.

"I'd say it was pretty standard for something like that this time of year," one source said. "But he was pretty angry."

It was Holmgren's first meeting of that nature with the team this season, sources said. He is usually calm and reserved.

Holmgren, according to sources, spoke about the need for the Flyers to win puck battles during the game and compete, something they've done little of during the final quarter of the season.

The Flyers, with just two games remaining in the regular season, can slide as far as fourth in the East. Just 8 days ago, the Flyers had an 88 percent probability to clinch the No. 1 seed after their win in Pittsburgh. Now they have little chance to get the No. 1 seed, even though they still have a game in-hand over Washington. But with a win last night over Florida, the Capitals cut their magic number for the East's top seed to just one point.

The Flyers' magic number to win their first Atlantic Division title since 2004 remains at three points with Pittsburgh. The Flyers' game in-hand against Pittsburgh has vanished.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...ppy_Homer.html

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This pleases me. Whether or not it makes a difference is another matter.


edit: "Paul Holmgren flipped of the television." I know he means "Homer turned the TV off," but he accidentally made it sounds far more awesome. Time for someone to photoshop Homer onto Johnny Cash?

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This pleases me. Whether or not it makes a difference is another matter.


edit: "Paul Holmgren flipped of the television." I know he means "Homer turned the TV off," but he accidentally made it sounds far more awesome. Time for someone to photoshop Homer onto Johnny Cash?
But this goes back to the leadership issues, why does it take the GM to come down and lay down the law in game 80 of 82?

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Had to be done honestly...I mean obviously nothing else has worked

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But this goes back to the leadership issues, why does it take the GM to come down and lay down the law in game 80 of 82?
If they lose the next game, does it make Homer a bad GM? Clearly his leadership is lacking if the team doesn't follow him.

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This is not a repeat from the last three years.

The most telling quote is saying it's usual this time of year.

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But this goes back to the leadership issues, why does it take the GM to come down and lay down the law in game 80 of 82?
You do realize Holmgren's been doing this for the last three years, right?

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I heard most of the angst was directed at Jeff Carter.

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Love it. Time for a new voice. Playoff hockey starting tomorrow.

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If they lose the next game, does it make Homer a bad GM? Clearly his leadership is lacking if the team doesn't follow him.
Homer has done everything in his power to give this core group the players around them to win. Pronger and O'Donnell the latest to come into the fray. The GM's job is to get the players on the roster and the coach to get the players into a system and the captain to lead them in times of trouble.

The GM's job is not to have to babysit the players. This team had no trouble winning over the first 40 games, made it look easy. This is 100% on the players, no excuses.

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grasping at straws.

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But this goes back to the leadership issues, why does it take the GM to come down and lay down the law in game 80 of 82?
Sigh. Here Ill post it for you since you are waiting for someone to say it (other then yourself)

Cartsie should be traded, Richie should be traded, Cartsie should be traded, Richie should be traded, Cartsie should be traded, Richie should be traded, Cartsie should be traded, Richie should be traded, Cartsie should be traded, Richie should be traded, Cartsie should be traded, Richie should be traded, Cartsie should be traded, Richie should be traded.

There ya go.

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But this goes back to the leadership issues, why does it take the GM to come down and lay down the law in game 80 of 82?
I agree. It's all Carter and Richards' fault. Should be stripped of their letters and put better people in those spots.

Should try to offload their awful contracts too.

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But this goes back to the leadership issues, why does it take the GM to come down and lay down the law in game 80 of 82?
This is the first recorded time a GM stepped in to call out his club. Fact.

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I agree. It's all Carter and Richards' fault. Should be stripped of their letters and put better people in those spots.

Should try to offload their awful contracts too.
If we could've offloaded their contracts 1/10 as fast as they offload on a few ladies each night they're not caring about hockey (only the days that end in "y"), they would've been gone yesterday.

And it would've been awesome.

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Homer has done everything in his power to give this core group the players around them to win. Pronger and O'Donnell the latest to come into the fray. The GM's job is to get the players on the roster and the coach to get the players into a system and the captain to lead them in times of trouble.

The GM's job is not to have to babysit the players. This team had no trouble winning over the first 40 games, made it look easy. This is 100% on the players, no excuses.
So it was Homer on the ice in those first 40 games? ****, why didn't anyone tell me that?

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Homer has done everything in his power to give this core group the players around them to win. Pronger and O'Donnell the latest to come into the fray. The GM's job is to get the players on the roster and the coach to get the players into a system and the captain to lead them in times of trouble.

The GM's job is not to have to babysit the players. This team had no trouble winning over the first 40 games, made it look easy. This is 100% on the players, no excuses.
Oh, but the GM is responsible for putting the team together. At the end of the day, shouldn't it all be his fault for failing to get a good leadership group?

Actually, this is probably the fault of Snider and Comcast-Spectacor.



Sarcasm aside, this exact same song and dance happens every time things aren't going well. Hell, the team loses 3 games in a row and people start throwing Richards, Carter, Pronger, Lavi, Homer, the goalies, and their mothers under the bus. Then when the team wins a couple games everything is bright and rosy.

You act like this group has known nothing but failure throughout their careers.

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i will say ... I LOVE Mike Richards.. great player but i think we can use someone better to be captain.. pronger, timonen, briere, o'donnell(just throwing it out there)... some one whos more mature...

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But this goes back to the leadership issues, why does it take the GM to come down and lay down the law in game 80 of 82?
You know it. I know it. Everyone on the forum knows it.

It's all Carter's fault!

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i will say ... I LOVE Mike Richards.. great player but i think we can use someone better to be captain.. pronger, timonen, briere, o'donnell(just throwing it out there)... some one whos more mature...
Let's look at this logically, shall we?

Pronger came to the team after Richards was named captain.
O'Donnell is only here for this season and also came here after Richards was named captain.
Timonen? He was either a Flyer after Richards was made captain or just before. They could have given him the C if it was while Richards was an A but they didn't. If he came in after Richards was wearing the C, it's too late.

Briere? Yes, let's give it to someone who routinely dives or takes stupid stick infraction penalties. That's leadership. Also, he's really only been effective for one period while he has been a Flyer and that was in last year's playoffs. He was the pre-Carter whipping boy before that.

You don't strip the C from a young captain who has won at every level and give it to guys who are 30 somethings. In fact if anything, 30 something captains tend to either retire or hand the C over to someone younger.

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http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hoc.../17876296.html

Just in case anyone thinks Homer did something unusual:

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The Canucks coach halted practice and called the players together for a 30-second tongue-lashing laced with F-bombs.
Bruce Boudreau would have been proud.

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I hope he told them "GO catch a shark or something eat a turtle" and walked out of the room.

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I heard most of the angst was directed at Jeff Carter.
Criticism of Mr. "High" and "Wide"?

I don't believe it.

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I hope he told them "GO catch a shark or something eat a turtle" and walked out of the room.
Probably woulda made them cry.

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Criticism of Mr. "High" and "Wide"?

I don't believe it.
Are the quotes there because the words are only hypothetical and misleading, or because you don't know what you're talking about again?

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