For the same salary only idiots would take Gill over Hamrlik.But I don't think Harmlik will take a massif cut of his paycheck...I don't want harmlik back in the top 4 full time next years.
Let's say they are both willing to take a 55% discount , the question is what do you prefer : harmlik as our 5th D at 3,25M$ or Gill as our 7th D at 1,25$?
too bad + - has nothing to do with Defense indication.
As for shots block, Gill closes down the shooting lane better than Hamrlik, so yes, he'd have less shots to block.
You're unwillingness to admit this is clear indication of your unqualified opinion on the matter.
+/- on the same team is a good indication. If you compared Gill to Orpik, it would mean nothing. But seeing as Hammer and Gill are playing for the same team, you can draw some conclusions. Especially considering Hammer played more at ES. But of course, the stats aren't in favor of Gill, so you'll toss them to the side.
Hammer blocks more shots, ah well, let's toss that to the side as well and say Gill blocks the shooting lanes, so, you know, wtv, my dad is stronger than yours.
Best at what? Skating like a tortoise? Shooting like a woman? Chasing the puck to the blueline like a child? Being completely dominated in front of the net?
Le_sean you are a treasure, always a funny honest view.
If Hammer contributed 50 points everybody would want him back because he has 50 points obviously. The problem is he doesn't. He isn't that good offensively and the number of mistakes, and stupid penalties he took this series, means he's not that good defensively. The reason I pick Wiz over him is because he brings toughness and he's specialized on the power play. As I said, I would rather have people who are best at what they do, like Markov, Subban and Wisniewski on the power play and Gill, Gorges and Spacek on the penalty kill, than someone like Hamrlik who isn't elite at either. And these guys can handle themselves 5 on 5. It's not like Hamrlik is the second coming or something.
Hamrlik is not better than Gill, especially in the playoffs. Skill isn't everything. Gill has size, reach, positioning and he blocks the shooting and passing lanes on the penalty kill. Plus every single expert who's been asked about Gill or Hamrlik has said Gill. It's not about skill, it's about how you complement the other guys already there and create a team.
I'd like to re-sign Wiz and Gill, and go after Bieksa.
Hamrlik was forced into a role to be the "go to" guy offensively - yes he's going to make mistakes. Frankly, he was that in the beginning of the season until Subban was forced into the top four and the Habs acquired Wiz both a result of Gorges' injury. The same thing basically happened last year until Markov came back. Hamrlik has tried the last three years to adapt his game and fill the voids where needed and I think he's done an admirable job.
Having said that, as it turns out if there is any truth to Marinaro's Tweet, Wiz was playing with a broken hand in the latter part of the playoffs. So now you're Hamrlik and what options do you think he had playing with a wounded partner or playing with a different partner every other shift?
Hamrlik has shot blocking ability and good positioning. I really don't see why he couldn't play the role that Gill has whereby you let your partner do most of the work and block some shots here and there. Hamrlik has led the team in ES minutes every year he's been a Hab. That was to be his role - chew ES minutes and lend a hand offensively. But on top of that he's had to do a lot more, or at least try.
He's never had the luxury of being Hal Gill and sitting back, preserving oneself during the regular season only to be the perceived hero in the playoffs. It doesn't take as much energy to retreat to the blueline quickly and back into your own zone as opposed to going deep into the zone to help offensively. Hamrlik has played a ton of games and a ton of minutes, taxing minutes. He's played them during the regular season and during the playoffs.
I wouldn't mind if he continued that next year instead of Hal Gill. If Hamrlik has reduced minutes like Hal Gill has had then he can be every bit as effective and more.
The team needs help at even strength - they will have penalty killers. Hamrlik can play a reduced very effectively and if needed can lend a hand wherever. Gill cannot.
tough decisions... both bring good qualities to the table.
but for me i'd say gill because it seems like he tutored both gorges and subban and look what happened to both of them. put him with weber for a year and repeat the process.
If I were GM...
1. Gill...2 more years at 1,75mil/year (max.$2mil/year). Maybe he can even be our defensive coach in near future?
2. Hamrlik...2 more years at $2,5mil - 3mil/year. Or, one more year at 3,8mil? (same salary as Spacek).
<PK Subban...next year give him a 6-7 year deal!!
<Gorges...give him a 4 or 5 year deal.
<Wiz...4 years for $4mil/year (he'll look for $5mil - 5.5mil+/year).
<Markov...2 years approx.$4 to 5 mil/year ($5 mil, max.). He has made approx. $12 million in last 2 years while being injured...he owes us. **** these greedy NHLers ($4-5mil/year is a lot).
<Weber...capable winger...useful to us (3rd pairing dman and PP specialist and/or 4th line speedster with offensive UPside).
<Mara...I'd sign him on the cheap for 1yr (good protection)...7-8th dman.
<Sopel...I'd sign him on the cheap (1yr)...6th-7th dman.
<Spacek...due $3,8mil for one more year...will Gauthier trade him for a 6th-7th Round Pick?
Glad I'm not the GM...some tough decisions to make...this could be an interesting summer and July 1st!!
tough decisions... both bring good qualities to the table.
but for me i'd say gill because it seems like he tutored both gorges and subban and look what happened to both of them. put him with weber for a year and repeat the process.
There is no problem with Hamrlik's mentoring. He's been given credit for Phaneuf's development and Gorges has given him credit too. Management / coaching were very content with the work Hamrlik did with a very inexperienced Subban during last year's playoff run. And that probably was more of a challenge given Subban had very little experience at the NHL level and the mentoring had to come at a crucial time.
Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't it be better to have a d-man with a similar game mentor Weber and for that matter Subban? Although I don't think Subban needs anymore mentoring. What he needs mostly IMO is a d-man partner with more offensive acumen than Hal Gill.
