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04-10-2011, 09:54 AM
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Off-Season Trades and Signings

So far Burke has impressed me quite a lot with his trades. He's fleeced more GMs than he's been fleeced. But his FA signings have been pretty meh. Granted, there haven't been too many great UFA's out there, and the best ones go to the craziest bidders.

I'm wondering what people are expecting to see from Burke this summer? I see plenty of posters showing what they think next season's line-up should look like. But they seem to randomly add players (some that will never be moved by their club) and subtract players that will be tough to move without ever mentioning how Burke moves them.

So, what are you expecting from Burke in regards to player movement? Trades, UFA signings and re-signings? Who will be extended, who will he let walk?

I haven't been impressed with Burke's UFA signings to date. And the pool of UFA's gets smaller and smaller the close to the deadline we get. So, at the risk of having him sign another Lebda, I would rather he stand pat and ignore most UFA's. He should kick the tires when it comes to top end talent, but if it's an overpayment that's needed to land one, walk away.

His trading on the other hand, has been great. I would love for him to dump Lebda and Komi. Addition by subtraction here would make the Leafs that much better. Take back whatever, as long as it doesn't hurt any long term plans. If only one can be moved, please be Lebda. Komi could become the "press box" extra D.

I'm ambivalent about Clarke MacArthur getting re-signed. I really think he's going to ask for a big raise, and it will probably go to arbitration. If he wins, let him walk. Or better yet, trade his rights away for anything (4th rounder would a fantastic return).

Let Giggy walk. Even at a cut rate re-signing, he would still be a bellow average goalie. If Reimer gets hurt, we need a back up that the Leafs can count on. That's why I'm ready to see Burke bring in a veteran goaltender to back up Reimer. Gus is a project at this point. Send him down to the A, if he clears waivers great. If not, at least he'll get another chance to play (just not for the Leafs).

So, I've covered the D and Goalies. Forwards are a mess. We have some bottom six that aren't getting it done, and clearly aren't top six material. Burke needs to really focus on his bottom two lines. I really think that's the place of some of the young guys. I'm betting Frattin and Coulborne start in the A next year, but one of them will be called up early due to injuries. Burke needs to find at least one, possibly two PK specialists to fill out his bottom six. Not an easy task, but those defensive minded, speedy players will help bring down the GA, and improve the PK. Burke also needs to address secondary scoring. The bottom six need a couple of guys that be counted on to pot one, once in a while.

As for top six forwards. I'm at a loss. I really think Burke's best chance is to do it via a trade. He really needs to land a center. The Leafs are 22nd in GF. That has to change. They need secondary scoring (a couple of bottom six guys) and with the addition of a good center, the PP would improve as well.

I know I wasn't too clear on WHO Burke should bring in, it was more like what positions need addressing. I am curious as to what others think should specifically be brought in to help the Leafs.

I'm a huge fan of Burke's trading ability. He has surprised me more than once. And so far, each season, he's pulled a rabbit out of his hat (twice last season). So here's hoping for a little more of that magic.

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Mcarthur for a 4th round pick are you nuts....He is young and worth good youth..in return..

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Mcarthur for a 4th round pick are you nuts....He is young and worth good youth..in return..
He's a RFA. If they traded his rights it would be worth next to nothing.

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If you want to unload Mcarthur then i say add a prospect and/or high pick in order to land a really good young player..Centre or big winger...Mcarthur + a first would land us a really good player..BB says he wants more snarl and size and this package would land us exactly that..

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So far Burke has impressed me quite a lot with his trades. He's fleeced more GMs than he's been fleeced. But his FA signings have been pretty meh. Granted, there haven't been too many great UFA's out there, and the best ones go to the craziest bidders.

I'm wondering what people are expecting to see from Burke this summer? I see plenty of posters showing what they think next season's line-up should look like. But they seem to randomly add players (some that will never be moved by their club) and subtract players that will be tough to move without ever mentioning how Burke moves them.

So, what are you expecting from Burke in regards to player movement? Trades, UFA signings and re-signings? Who will be extended, who will he let walk?

I haven't been impressed with Burke's UFA signings to date. And the pool of UFA's gets smaller and smaller the close to the deadline we get. So, at the risk of having him sign another Lebda, I would rather he stand pat and ignore most UFA's. He should kick the tires when it comes to top end talent, but if it's an overpayment that's needed to land one, walk away.

His trading on the other hand, has been great. I would love for him to dump Lebda and Komi. Addition by subtraction here would make the Leafs that much better. Take back whatever, as long as it doesn't hurt any long term plans. If only one can be moved, please be Lebda. Komi could become the "press box" extra D.

I'm ambivalent about Clarke MacArthur getting re-signed. I really think he's going to ask for a big raise, and it will probably go to arbitration. If he wins, let him walk. Or better yet, trade his rights away for anything (4th rounder would a fantastic return).

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Your logic ran out right there.....

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04-10-2011, 10:13 AM
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Do any of you realize that MacArthur is a RFA?

That means that if he goes to arbitration and Burke doesn't want to pay out, he walks away for nothing. If any of you had read and understood what I wrote about MacArthur, you would see that I'm saying if contract negotiations aren't looking good (no way Burke's going to overpay him), and it looks like he's going to arbitration, then trade his rights. Because once he goes to arbitration, it becomes a take it or leave it situation. You pay what the arbitrator rules, or the player becomes UFA.


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If you want to unload Mcarthur then i say add a prospect and/or high pick in order to land a really good young player..Centre or big winger...Mcarthur + a first would land us a really good player..BB says he wants more snarl and size and this package would land us exactly that..
MacArthur's trade value is next to nothing. A fourth would be a great return. Guess why? Because he's an RFA come this summer. In other words, teams would still have to try and sign him to a contract after giving up something for his rights.

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Didn't Burke already say that he's willing to go to arbitration with Macarthur and will accept what he's awarded?

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He's a RFA. If they traded his rights it would be worth next to nothing.
totally disagree. even as an unsigned RFA, he holds value imo. it's not like he's a pending UFA and the team he would be going to would have no leverage...

regardless though, the Leafs won't move his rights for a measly pick anyways, coming off of a 60-ish point season worth $1.1mil, and considering he has great chemistry with two guys who will almost 100% be back with the Leafs next season.



not going to take wild guesses at players...but things i think Burke needs to adress are:

- top 4 puck moving dman
- replace Lebda by any means necessary with a #5/6/7 (depth) dman
- top 6 forward for Kessel
- special teams (whether it be bringing in a special teams coach, or new players, or both)
- MAYBE sign a goalie

Lupul - ______ - Kessel
Mac - Grabovski - Kulemin
_____ - ______ - Armstrong
Brown - ______ - Orr
_______ / _______

Aulie - Phaneuf
_______ - Schenn
Gunnarsson - Komisarek
_______

Reimer
Gus / ______



maybe some of those _____ can be filled with players we already have like Kadri, Hanson, Bozak, Zigo, Brent, Boyce, etc...but all i know is, we need better special teams.

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MacArthur's trade value is next to nothing. A fourth would be a great return. Guess why? Because he's an RFA come this summer. In other words, teams would still have to try and sign him to a contract after giving up something for his rights.
It would likely be a sign and trade scenario if he's dealt.

Burke would be a fool to go into arbitration and just let MacArthur walk. Only way I feel Burke goes into arbitration with confidence is if he tries to call MacArthur's bluff. Meaning, he's willing to pay MacArthur a little extra (likely what they believe the arbitrator will award him), but would rather play a bit of hardball to see if he'd crack before heading there.

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Didn't Burke already say that he's willing to go to arbitration with Macarthur and will accept what he's awarded?
yes...

secondly, burke's signing have been great, hindsight is always 20/20.

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i'm missing quite a few... were all solid additions at the time.

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Mac wont move before being signed. Signing Mac does not guarantee he will stay imo

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Why would Burkie balk at paying MacArthur? Wasn't he one of the better scorers on the team?

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He's a RFA. If they traded his rights it would be worth next to nothing.
I think you are confusing UFA and RFA rights.
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Why would Burkie balk at paying MacArthur? Wasn't he one of the better scorers on the team?
I want to keep MacArthur. But isn't anyone else worried how he pretty much disappeared while the team was making its push for the playoffs? That whole line worries me. Where was Grabovski after he got the "A"?

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isn't burke a laywer by trade?? i wouldn't go to arbitration with him lol

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I think arbitration with MacArthur would likely favor the leafs over Mac. My guess is arbitration wouldn't give him more than 3 years at 2-2.5 per, and burke would do that.

I also think Mac probably wants 3 years at 3 mil + now.

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The only off-season move I want to happen is..

Put Komisarek on waivers please.
hopefully a desperate team with alot of cap space will pick him up

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Ok, everyone seems stuck on that one point I wrote about MacArthur. Too bad, because the OP has so much more in it.

Yes he's RFA. There seems to be a lot of different opinions on whether Burke would even go to arbitrations with him (like Burke has any choice if MacArthur gets stubborn), and his trade value as an unsigned RFA seems in questions as well.

I don't want to further derail what I was hoping would be a good discussion on what other posters expect from Burke over the summer. I think MacArthur is a big part of what Burke will do this summer, but only one part. What do you guys expect from him on other fronts?

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Burke's not the only guy pulling the strings here. Claude Loiselle, Cliff Fletcher and Nonis are always giving input, and making recommendations while trying to sway players.

I blame Loiselle for the Lebda debacle. Not sure who brought in Versteeg, but it wasn't worth 2 cents. The Brown signing was decent, and there were some good deals swung to get Marlies guys.

Beauchemin and Komisarek have been bad signings. Luckily the Beauchemin trade has worked out in our favor.

I think Burke needs to seriously look at who his NHL scouts are, and how they're assessing talent.

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I think this offseason is all about putting players in roles they're actually suited for as of right now.

Line 1A
LW - Lupul has great chemistry with Kessel and deserves to be given a chance here
C - There's nobody in the system that can fill this role. Burke needs to find one
RW - Obviously Kessel fits here perfectly.

Line 1B
LW - Hard question here. CMac played well, but nobody knows if he'll repeat it. But, we also don't have a surefire replacement on this line.
C - Grabovski is a no-brainer here.
RW - Kulemin is a no-brainer here.

Line 3
LW - I think Kadri is the best fit here until he's ready to take a larger role.
C - Another hard choice. None of Bozak, Brent, or Boyce really deserve it outright but I'm sure they'll all battle for it assuming that any or all of them are re-signed.
RW - I think Armstrong has this wrapped up already

Line 4
- It's impossible to pick who might make a 4th line, but we can assume that one of the guys battling for 3rd line C will end up the 4th line C and picture names like Crabb, Frattin, Komarov, Brown, Rosehill, and maybe Orr (if he plays) and Zigomanis.

D 1A
- Aulie and Phaneuf are working well, let them keep working

D 1B
- Gunnarsson and Schenn are working well, let them keep working

D 3
- Lashoff looks solid, but Komi needs to be moved for a cheaper, defence-first type of d-man

Goaltenders
- Reimer has already been given the #1 job, so that's that.
- Giguere almost definitely won't be back, which I think is the right move.
- Gustavsson was not used even though Giguere was hurting and Gus was healthy. That has to be a sign.
- I see the back-up next year being someone like Conklin, Hedberg, etc.

Other Changes:
- I think the assistant coaches need to be changed. Something is wrong with the special teams and it needs to be addressed.

The most important question is what does Burke do about the #1 C spot? We can't even pretend to fill that role from inside the system and he's already publicly stated that he knows he has to address it.

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The only off-season move I want to happen is..

Put Komisarek on waivers please.
hopefully a desperate team with alot of cap space will pick him up
I'm hoping to see Burke move at least one of Lebda or Komi. Both would be nice, but moving one alone is probably gonna be tough. If Komi goes on waivers, what are you hoping for next? He plays in the A next season? Or try re-entry and hope someone takes a flyer on him at half price?

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Marty Reasoner or Brooks Laich. Both should help improve our PK. I wouldn't give up on Timmy Brent because I really like his effort and think he deserves a spot on the wing, if we signed Reasoner, which leaves our big bruisers (Rosehill/Orr) waiting in the press-box until we need them for handful of games. If we can get that PK up 4-5% and the PP up another 2% then we would most likely have a team that is competing for the playoffs

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Whats wrong with some of you

MacArthur was second in team scoring and most of you want to dump him for nothing Sign him let him play, if you feel he isnt working trade him early season while he still holds value, if his strong play continues let him stay what harm could another Top 6 forward do. Wow some of you are incredible.

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imo i think this team isnt really close to being a cup contender (mabey in a few tears, but not now) so i think the best strategy we could use is just letting the kids play. Next year we have our draft pick, im not saying we tank, but we may finish out of the playoffs by giving guys like colborne, kadri, frattin, (maybe Gardiner) more prominent roles on the team to develop better. And i agree burke is pretty successful when trading so if he could pick up some prospects/ or young players from trades that would be great. I think if this team continues to rebuild the right way instead of trying to cheat and bring in expensive ufa's to cut on time, then in 3-6 years time this team could very well be a stanley cup contender

- also if burke can sign mcarthur for 2.2-2.75 mil then im fine , but anymore and i would let him walk
- if giguere is willing to play backup for around 1.5-2 mil then im also fine with him staying for another year or 2
-i agree that burke should look for some better pk players
- in terms of improving scoring, again i feel guys like kadri could definitely help in that area

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Not sure who brought in Versteeg, but it wasn't worth 2 cents.
How was this a bad thing? Burke indirectly turned a current 4th liner, and 2 prospects who will most likely never make the NHL into a 1st and a 3rd....

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