See, you just don't get it do you? Spector's only reports what the dailies report. SPECTORS did not have him going to Montreal.. Mathias Brunet of La Press has Kovalev coming back to Montreal, they just reported what he said.
Just like Spector's didn't report Kovalev going to the Penguins, but just reported that Stan Savran of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that Kovalev is going to the Pens.
Get it?
I have to stick up for Russian fan here. I don't want to say either way about the usefullness of such "rumor" info. But reading the jist of your arguement and especially the above quote, I have to say that you are the one not getting it. Your arguement is circular, ie. you are setting it up so you can't be wrong when in fact you are not listening to what the other poster is saying. He is saying that the original root of rumors, be it from a "sacrid" journalist or a web site or joe poster on this board may very well come from the same root sourse. you and I have no way of knowing nor do I that the sourse I being truthful, and just because a person is a journalist does not mean that we are to throw up our hands a say hallelough (or however it is spealt) it is a message from on high. Does the New York Times ring a bell. Anyway my point is take a step back and read your argument and read his post you are chasing your own tail in this arguement.
Kovalev, late of Montreal, chafed under the restrictions imposed by the system coach Claude Julien installed for the Canadiens, and was emphatic during a recent interview that he does not want to have his creativity stifled by the team he joins.
Stifle his creativity?? Mind your own end first, then be as creative as you want. No one is more important than the team!!
I have to admit Julien kinda made a mistake of trying to bring Kovy into a system. We all know that he,s not a system player and he should have been on Koivu's line from the get go no matter how he was playing. He's a highly gifted player who should play among his kind. But during the playoffs Julien realized his mistake and let Kovalev loose and we all saw the results. Julien will not mak this mistake twice and if Kovy wants to comeback Julien will not hold him back.
There' no coach that tells a player what to do in the offensive zone so if they keep the puck out of our zone..he can do whatever he wishes in the other opponent's zone... and a line of Zednik-Koivu-Kovalev ..didn't stay long in our zone..that's for sure.
Stifle his creativity?? Mind your own end first, then be as creative as you want. No one is more important than the team!!
I could'nt say better... I was saying exactly the same thing after the season ended, Kovalev is uncoatchable, thats why we saw him for the last time in a Habs jersey!
How to phrase this so as not to get my head chewed off....
REPORTEDLY the Kovalev/Penguins deal has hit a bit of a snag. The doom and gloom of last week is a little different now.
Craig Patrick APPARENTLY said the offer made last week was the best Pittsburgh could do and that if Kovalev wasn't interested he was going to pursue other options. The other options are RUMOURED to be different types of players then Kovalev (centers, gritty wingers, etc.)
Does this mean that chance of him returning to Montreal just improved? I think so. But it might also just being a bargaining ploy by Craig Patrick.
How to phrase this so as not to get my head chewed off....
REPORTEDLY the Kovalev/Penguins deal has hit a bit of a snag. The doom and gloom of last week is a little different now.
Craig Patrick APPARENTLY said the offer made last week was the best Pittsburgh could do and that if Kovalev wasn't interested he was going to pursue other options. The other options are RUMOURED to be different types of players then Kovalev (centers, gritty wingers, etc.)
Does this mean that chance of him returning to Montreal just improved? I think so. But it might also just being a bargaining ploy by Craig Patrick.
If you dont mind me asking, where exactly is this being reported???
Gee, I guess I keep getting lucky. I "make up" these stories here about Kovalev, and strangely, legitimate news media comes out with the same stories some time later.
Gee, I guess I keep getting lucky. I "make up" these stories here about Kovalev, and strangely, legitimate news media comes out with the same stories some time later.
Odd.
Theres no need to get upset, i just want sources. Even if your credible, again thats just me. Take or it or leave it my friend.
Marinaro was just discussing this on the Team990. Keep in mind that I consider some posters on this board as good a source. He's not privy too much that we aren't. His comments were that BG's offer was the best that he has had. When he got the initial offer he said he wanted to see what is out there. Apparentlt Pittsburgh is the only other offer up until now. Pittsburgh is attractive to him, in that he likes the city, has friends, and they will play a style that he feels comfortable with. So, if all of this can be pieced together, equal offers, he would go to Pitt., but it seems our offer is superior and he is aware that Mtl. has a lot to offer.
I've got the impression that there seems to be no competitive bidding for UFA's. There seems to be a market price for each player, and each seems to be a paycut. The former teams are deciding whether they want to keep their player at what is a suspiciously set price, if not they let him go. Teams seem to be saying, yeah we see that you can command 3.5M but we feel we can fill the position with someone else at 1.5M, so thank you and goodbye. I don't know if anyone heard McGuire after the season discussing Kovalev, he mentionned that the market for him was 4M. I remember thinking it strange that he put it the way he did, but things are starting to look a little different than other years.
Marinaro was just discussing this on the Team990. Keep in mind that I consider some posters on this board as good a source. He's not privy too much that we aren't. His comments were that BG's offer was the best that he has had. When he got the initial offer he said he wanted to see what is out there. Apparentlt Pittsburgh is the only other offer up until now. Pittsburgh is attractive to him, in that he likes the city, has friends, and they will play a style that he feels comfortable with. So, if all of this can be pieced together, equal offers, he would go to Pitt., but it seems our offer is superior and he is aware that Mtl. has a lot to offer.
I've got the impression that there seems to be no competitive bidding for UFA's. There seems to be a market price for each player, and each seems to be a paycut. The former teams are deciding whether they want to keep their player at what is a suspiciously set price, if not they let him go. Teams seem to be saying, yeah we see that you can command 3.5M but we feel we can fill the position with someone else at 1.5M, so thank you and goodbye. I don't know if anyone heard McGuire after the season discussing Kovalev, he mentionned that the market for him was 4M. I remember thinking it strange that he put it the way he did, but things are starting to look a little different than other years.
Well if its between us and the pens, and id say our chances are pretty good, escecially if we have put out the higher offer! I really wonder what Kovalevs after though, the money, the environment, etc........
We have the edge when it comes to money with, apparently the greater offer, but id also say we have the edge on the environment (Montreal is simply superior to Pit when it comes to hockey towns), and fans (not saying we have better fans, but more of them)!
I cant see why Kovalev wont sign here if Pit offers a really low offer they cant increase...
Well if its between us and the pens, and id say our chances are pretty good, escecially if we have put out the higher offer! I really wonder what Kovalevs after though, the money, the environment, etc........
We have the edge when it comes to money with, apparently the greater offer, but id also say we have the edge on the environment (Montreal is simply superior to Pit when it comes to hockey towns), and fans (not saying we have better fans, but more of them)!
I cant see why Kovalev wont sign here if Pit offers a really low offer they cant increase...
He has a history and a comfort zone in Pittsburgh. Keep in mind that things usually aren't as simple as reported also.
He has a history and a comfort zone in Pittsburgh. Keep in mind that things usually aren't as simple as reported also.
I admire that he would be willing to sign for less to be in a place he and his family likes. On the other hand, he's giving up a chance to help put an up and coming team like the Habs over the top. Remember the four game sweep by Tampa wasn't really indicitive of the play. That series could just as easily have been 2-2 after 4 games.
I admire that he would be willing to sign for less to be in a place he and his family likes. On the other hand, he's giving up a chance to help put an up and coming team like the Habs over the top. Remember the four game sweep by Tampa wasn't really indicitive of the play. That series could just as easily have been 2-2 after 4 games.
DAMN THE BULLIN WALL TO HELL is what I say about that series :mad:
Gee, I guess I keep getting lucky. I "make up" these stories here about Kovalev, and strangely, legitimate news media comes out with the same stories some time later.
Odd.
As far as I'm concerned FerrisRox you're now on my credible poster list and will have no problem acknowledging the stuff you come up with in the future.
Maybe if you have some inside info you could talk to mods and let them know what your position is without compromising your sources and risking their or your job (in other words, keeping things private but knowing your rumors are as legit as anybody else so that your threads are not closed).
Also, for the harsh treatment you got from some posters earlier, keep in mind that fans are emotional and hearing a player they want to see signed badly is likely going elsewhere might trigger some hostility (even if irrational) among some. You'll probably have it easier next time as you just proved you weren't making stuff out of the blue.
For every legit rumor that a poster comes up with, there's a hundred of retarded made-up ones by attention seekers that ruin things for everybody else unfortunatelly.
Last edited by Munchausen: 07-12-2004 at 12:00 PM.
I did send a private message to one of the mods (Theo6060) telling how I got the information, and even after doing so, the thread remained closed, so I'm not sure that would really help, but thanks anyway.
