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04-10-2011, 06:42 PM
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Cap-heavy teams to target in the offseason?

I'm wondering if any teams are going to be in heavy cap trouble this offseason (a la Chicago last offseason), who might be ripe for the fleecing in a trade? The name that gets thrown out a lot is Philly with Leino, but I think some other teams might be in for trouble as well.

Who else do you suspect might be in trouble cap-wise? Would you be willing to deal a few young pieces to land a solid roster player?

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Not sure who's in trouble with bad contracs etc but saw this article

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...2011-12-season

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I think our biggest targets should be teams with self made caps, like Nashville or Phoenix.

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I think our biggest targets should be teams with self made caps, like Nashville or Phoenix.
I was thinking of the exact same teams when I saw this thread - both teams have an abundance of top 6 wingers (though little in the way of true 1st line talent, though lets be real we aren't getting a true first line winger this summer). Other than that there aren't too many teams in Chicago trouble that we could pry a Ladd or Versteeg like player from.

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A top 6 winger will be turned into a 1st line forward playing with Spezza..

Case in point: Dany Heatley

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A top 6 winger will be turned into a 1st line forward playing with Spezza..

Case in point: Dany Heatley
Sure....

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Not so much Cap Heavy but tight self-imposed budgets:

St Louis: Have a few key RFA to sign this summer (Berglund, Oshie)

Pheonix: RFA's Turris, Boedker, Yandle and UFA's Bryz, Jovo, Vrbata

NY Islanders: Not sure if Wang is willing to spend, Comeau, Okposo, Grabner and Bailey are all RFA's


Those would be teams I'd be looking at.

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What do you think of San Jose and Setoguchi? Always liked him and I know they will be very close to the cap with quite a few spots to fill. He's due for a bit of a raise.

What it could possibly look like:

Greening - Spezz - Butler/Setoguchi

Michalek - Da Costa/1st draft - Butler/Setoguchi

Foligno - Regin - Alfie

Condra - Smith - Neil

I would have Butler and Setoguchi alternating spots based on chemistry and performance and yes I know its blasphemy for Alfie to be on the third but I think he would benefit from less reg ice time and more PP minutes at his age.

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What do you think of San Jose and Setoguchi? Always liked him and I know they will be very close to the cap with quite a few spots to fill. He's due for a bit of a raise.

What it could possibly look like:

Greening - Spezz - Butler/Setoguchi

Michalek - Da Costa/1st draft - Butler/Setoguchi

Foligno - Regin - Alfie

Condra - Smith - Neil

I would have Butler and Setoguchi alternating spots based on chemistry and performance and yes I know its blasphemy for Alfie to be on the third but I think he would benefit from less reg ice time and more PP minutes at his age.
Not that it makes much difference but isn't Seto a LW??? Doesn't matter because you could rotate Michalek and Butler anyways (thought about this a bit myself). Don't mind the idea at all except I wouldn't have Da Costa as our 2nd line Center but you never know, hell it could be Coutourier with a draft position

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Not that it makes much difference but isn't Seto a LW??? Doesn't matter because you could rotate Michalek and Butler anyways (thought about this a bit myself). Don't mind the idea at all except I wouldn't have Da Costa as our 2nd line Center but you never know, hell it could be Coutourier with a draft position
I believe Setoguchi is a right winger. With that in mind we could field a team like this next year:

Greening - Spezza - Setoguchi/Butler
Michalek - Couturier/Strome - Alfredsson
Foligno - Da Costa - Setoguchi/Butler
Winchester - Smith - Neil

Not too shabby. That's not including any other trade we might make, or signing. Vrbata would be great too, though I'd like to acquire a LWer.

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I believe Setoguchi is a right winger. With that in mind we could field a team like this next year:

Greening - Spezza - Setoguchi/Butler
Michalek - Couturier/Strome - Alfredsson
Foligno - Da Costa - Setoguchi/Butler
Winchester - Smith - Neil

Not too shabby. That's not including any other trade we might make, or signing. Vrbata would be great too, though I'd like to acquire a LWer.
Weird, I honestly thought he was a LWer, wonder why I had that in mind. oh well.

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Not that it makes much difference but isn't Seto a LW??? Doesn't matter because you could rotate Michalek and Butler anyways (thought about this a bit myself). Don't mind the idea at all except I wouldn't have Da Costa as our 2nd line Center but you never know, hell it could be Coutourier with a draft position
Yeah I was a bit unsure about choosing Da Costa/1st round pick to center our second line. I think this is going to be one of the big questions over the offseason. If our 1st round impresses (assuming its Couturier or Strome) and so does Da Costa, do we give them 2nd and 3rd? What happens to Regin, Smith and Winchester? There's going to be some major reshuffling.

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Greening - Spezza - Setoguchi/Butler
Michalek - Couturier/Strome - Alfredsson
Foligno - Da Costa - Setoguchi/Butler
Winchester - Smith - Neil
I like this but I feel Condra needs more of an opportunity. Nothing against Winny but I think Condra would be more useful.

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Not sure who's in trouble with bad contracs etc but saw this article

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...2011-12-season
The salary cap for 2011/12 is definitely going to be interesting and with its uncertainty makes it most difficult to predict which teams have spending issues.

The cap could drop slightly based on current booked and projected revenues. As well, since 2011-12 is the final year of the CBA, the 7.5-percent bonus cushion, which allows clubs to defer up to that amount in performance bonuses on entry level and over 35 contracts, disappears.

The net of these two things would put pressure on the cap situation for any number of teams.

On the other hand the players could vote to excercise the 5% escalator, the cap for 2011/12 would be ~$62.2M for the ceiling and the cap floor would be ~$46.2M. This action would definitely alleviate cap issues for those teams projected to be over $59.4 for 2011/12.

How the players will vote is not necessarily easy to predict. While it does allow for more spending by the teams, allowing them to protect rosters or to sign free agents, it also leads to increased escrow for the players.

In essence a majority of the NHLPA members get less of their money so a few can get more, while the owners get to spend money their businesses can't really support.

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I doubt there will be much trouble is the cap is going to 62 and change...

Regardless, I doubt the SNES bring in big name UFA's to 1. overpay (I think we won't see this for a while after being burnt by Kovy and Gonchar.) And 2. the youth movement by the Bingo guys warrants them having as much ice time as possible to develop.

If BM brings in a UFA it will be a specific guy he covets to play with Spezz and or Alfie...

Beyond that we be in re-tool mode.

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Calgary will be probably looking to move some salary out, and they do have a few decent support players.

Also what's up with the Dallas ownership situation? There might be something to be had there.

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A guy like Glencross would be great on Ottawa

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I'm not sold on Da Costa getting the 2nd centre slot right off the hop. I think he does Bingo time to earn his spot. Regin is the No2 right now with Shannon in the conversation. Maybe even Greening (his college position, but I prefer him on Spezza's left).

I wonder what it would take to get at someone like Statsny out of Colorado. Some combination around Nashville's 1st, Winchester/Foligno, Neil, Kuba (?) would be a package I'd deal for him, but I asssume they would want more.

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I'm not sold on Da Costa getting the 2nd centre slot right off the hop. I think he does Bingo time to earn his spot. Regin is the No2 right now with Shannon in the conversation. Maybe even Greening (his college position, but I prefer him on Spezza's left).

I wonder what it would take to get at someone like Statsny out of Colorado. Some combination around Nashville's 1st, Winchester/Foligno, Neil, Kuba (?) would be a package I'd deal for him, but I asssume they would want more.
To get Stastny we would have to add Runblad or Cowen.

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I was over on CapGeek.com and I noticed Pittsburgh is at $55.7 mill out of 59.7 mill next year with 9 players going UFA and 3 RFAs.

How does this compute as they have an identical roster with less players but 3.6 mill from hitting the cap? I'm sure I'm missing something here

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