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04-11-2011, 10:52 AM
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Todd Richards

The Minnesota Wild have fired head coach Todd Richards.
Any chance he comes back to San Jose as an Assistant Coach?

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I think if he doesn't get any offer in the off season, he will be back with us

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I am hoping that Ottawa offers the coaching job to Yawney and takes it, so we can ask Richards to come back.

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I am hoping that Ottawa offers the coaching job to Yawney and takes it, so we can ask Richards to come back.
I used to hate Yawney, but I really thinks he is pretty good at developing young defenseman. so I have no problem with Yawney.

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Florida also has a coaching opening.

"Never say never", but I think it unlikely he'll return.

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I am hoping that Ottawa offers the coaching job to Yawney and takes it, so we can ask Richards to come back.
The Sharks would have two offensive coaches and no defensive one if that happened.

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they have woodcroft too...

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I used to hate Yawney, but I really thinks he is pretty good at developing young defenseman. so I have no problem with Yawney.
Honestly? He's probably the worst coach in the league at developing defensemen. He relies completely on vets whenever he can. Keith and Seabrook looked lost during his tenure in Chicago and it took Yawney being canned and Denis Savard giving those two the opportunity to succeed that allowed them to develop into the top-flight blueliners they always had the potential to become. Yawney is awful and I hope he gets fired before he has a chance to ruin Braun, Doherty, Petrecki, Irwin, Schaus, et al.

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Florida also has a coaching opening.

"Never say never", but I think it unlikely he'll return.
One way to look at it is as a carousel. Lemaire is withdrawing, leaving an extra opening. My take is that Clouston will not get offers. That makes a second opening. My sense is that Richards and DeBoer will be HCs next year . . . somewhere.

HCs make a lot more than ACs. It is very unlikely that someone who was an HC will fall back. There are other HC jobs outside of the NHL which rival or surpass AC pay.

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One way to look at it is as a carousel. Lemaire is withdrawing, leaving an extra opening. My take is that Clouston will not get offers. That makes a second opening. My sense is that Richards and DeBoer will be HCs next year . . . somewhere.

HCs make a lot more than ACs. It is very unlikely that someone who was an HC will fall back. There are other HC jobs outside of the NHL which rival or surpass AC pay.
Didn't an HC go to an AC position this year or lasts?

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Didn't an HC go to an AC position this year or lasts?
Quinn and Renney in Edmonton come to mind.

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Didn't an HC go to an AC position this year or lasts?
Yes, but it is very rare. Yawney is another example. It is usually when there are no HC options for the guy and usually involves a sabbatical from the coaching ranks. For this discussion, I am talking about guys moving from one place to another immediately, no sabbaticals. The payscales tell the story as HCs get more than $500k/year in the NHL. They have time to look for something that pays better. ACs are usually <<$200k. HC contracts also frequently involve bonuses for performance, like playoffs.

BTW, Kirk Muller (AC in Montreal) is supposedly being eyed by several orgs for an HC spot.

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Quinn and Renney in Edmonton come to mind.
Tony Granato too.

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isnt he a PP genius or something? we could use the help.. or another PMD. either way's cool with me.

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isnt he a PP genius or something? we could use the help.. or another PMD. either way's cool with me.
We need PP help??????????? I think you mean PK, right?

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We need PP help??????????? I think you mean PK, right?
that too.

but with the talent we have, we could be the best PP in the league. heck, he had Minnesota at #1 for the first few months of the season. imagine what we could do.

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Tony Granato too.
As well as:

Dave King
Rick Wilson
John Stevens
Rick Bowness
Mike Kitchen

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Honestly? He's probably the worst coach in the league at developing defensemen. He relies completely on vets whenever he can. Keith and Seabrook looked lost during his tenure in Chicago and it took Yawney being canned and Denis Savard giving those two the opportunity to succeed that allowed them to develop into the top-flight blueliners they always had the potential to become. Yawney is awful and I hope he gets fired before he has a chance to ruin Braun, Doherty, Petrecki, Irwin, Schaus, et al.
You must be delusional if you think Keith and Seabrook are a product of Denis Savard. Keith himself credit most of his success to Yawney when he won the Norris Trophy. I think Keith knows himself better than you do.

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As well as:

Dave King
Rick Wilson
John Stevens
Rick Bowness
Mike Kitchen
How many of those had sabbaticals before returning to the coaching ranks?

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You must be delusional if you think Keith and Seabrook are a product of Denis Savard. Keith himself credit most of his success to Yawney when he won the Norris Trophy. I think Keith knows himself better than you do.
I acknowledge that Keith gave credit, but Seabrook was certainly not in the limelight during Yawney's tenure. To go further, Aucoin looked ready for the scrap heap under Yawney and resurrected his career in Phoenix. How about Barker, Barinka, Babchuk, Wiz? All had extended time with Yawney; all have major holes in their games. Being a good coach is more than babysitting or sitting back and "letting" the skills develop. Finally, when questioned about his record as a minor league coach, he complained that he didn't have the staff. When a coach doesn't want players giving excuses, how does that type of response sound when related to his own body of work? His record with the Chicago org in developing first round picks is far less than stellar. It doesn't mean that none did, it means that his numbers were astoundingly poor.

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I would rather just keep our coaches even if we lose early.

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I acknowledge that Keith gave credit, but Seabrook was certainly not in the limelight during Yawney's tenure. To go further, Aucoin looked ready for the scrap heap under Yawney and resurrected his career in Phoenix. How about Barker, Barinka, Babchuk, Wiz? All had extended time with Yawney; all have major holes in their games. Being a good coach is more than babysitting or sitting back and "letting" the skills develop. Finally, when questioned about his record as a minor league coach, he complained that he didn't have the staff. When a coach doesn't want players giving excuses, how does that type of response sound when related to his own body of work? His record with the Chicago org in developing first round picks is far less than stellar. It doesn't mean that none did, it means that his numbers were astoundingly poor.
2005 Entry 108 4 Niklas Hjalmarsson 271 9 32 41 111
2005 Entry 134 5 Brennan Turner
2005 Entry 188 6 Joe Charlebois
2004 Entry 3 1 Cam Barker 323 20 77 97 297
2004 Entry 120 4 Mitch Maunu
2003 Entry 14 1 Brent Seabrook 556 48 192 240 46
003 Entry 59 2 Michal Barinka 34 0 2 2 26
2003 Entry 151 5 Lasse Kukkonen 159 6 16 22 90
2003 Entry 245 8 Dustin Byfuglien 422 95 120 215 454
2003 Entry 275 9 Michael Grenzy
2002 Entry 21 1 Anton Babchuk 332 45 86 131 134
2002 Entry 54 2 Duncan Keith 568 59 228 287 366
2002 Entry 156 5 James Wisniewski 404 37 162 199 340
2002 Entry 188 6 Kevin Kantee
2001 Entry 104 4 Brent MacLellan
2001 Entry 115 4 Vladimir Gusev
001 Entry 186 6 Petr Puncochar
2001 Entry 205 7 Teemu Jaaskelainen
2000 Entry 117 4 Olli Malmivaara 2 0 0 0 0
2000 Entry 151 5 Alexander Barkunov
2000 Entry 193 6 Joey Martin D
2000 Entry 291 9 Arne Ramholt
1999 Entry 23 1 Steve McCarthy 302 17 38 55 168
1999 Entry 63 2 Stepan Mokhov
1999 Entry 134 5 Michael Jacobsen
1999 Entry 223 8 Andrew Carver

during Yawney tenure, they draft 26 defensemen, 15 were bust, 2 played less than 100 GP, produced 9 NHL defense, 7 top 4 defensemen, ZERO first round bust, 1 Norris trophy winner, 1 Norris trophy caliber dman (Buff)

Sharks drafted 15 defensemen, 8 were bust, 1 played less than 100 GP, produced
produced 5 NHL defensemen, 4 top 4 defensemen, 2 first round bust, Zero Norris trophy winner, 0 Norris trophy caliber dman.

Yawney produced far more top flight quality dmen with same amount of first round pick. granted hawks drafted more Dmen than us.

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2005 Entry 108 4 Niklas Hjalmarsson 271 9 32 41 111
2005 Entry 134 5 Brennan Turner
2005 Entry 188 6 Joe Charlebois
2004 Entry 3 1 Cam Barker 323 20 77 97 297
2004 Entry 120 4 Mitch Maunu
2003 Entry 14 1 Brent Seabrook 556 48 192 240 46
003 Entry 59 2 Michal Barinka 34 0 2 2 26
2003 Entry 151 5 Lasse Kukkonen 159 6 16 22 90
2003 Entry 245 8 Dustin Byfuglien 422 95 120 215 454
2003 Entry 275 9 Michael Grenzy
2002 Entry 21 1 Anton Babchuk 332 45 86 131 134
2002 Entry 54 2 Duncan Keith 568 59 228 287 366
2002 Entry 156 5 James Wisniewski 404 37 162 199 340
2002 Entry 188 6 Kevin Kantee
2001 Entry 104 4 Brent MacLellan
2001 Entry 115 4 Vladimir Gusev
001 Entry 186 6 Petr Puncochar
2001 Entry 205 7 Teemu Jaaskelainen
2000 Entry 117 4 Olli Malmivaara 2 0 0 0 0
2000 Entry 151 5 Alexander Barkunov
2000 Entry 193 6 Joey Martin D
2000 Entry 291 9 Arne Ramholt
1999 Entry 23 1 Steve McCarthy 302 17 38 55 168
1999 Entry 63 2 Stepan Mokhov
1999 Entry 134 5 Michael Jacobsen
1999 Entry 223 8 Andrew Carver

during Yawney tenure, they draft 26 defensemen, 15 were bust, 2 played less than 100 GP, produced 9 NHL defense, 7 top 4 defensemen, ZERO first round bust, 1 Norris trophy winner, 1 Norris trophy caliber dman (Buff)

Sharks drafted 15 defensemen, 8 were bust, 1 played less than 100 GP, produced
produced 5 NHL defensemen, 4 top 4 defensemen, 2 first round bust, Zero Norris trophy winner, 0 Norris trophy caliber dman.

Yawney produced far more top flight quality dmen with same amount of first round pick. granted hawks drafted more Dmen than us.
Thank you for the effort.

Here is the supplement:
Chicago AC 1999-00
Norfolk (Hawks affil) 00-05
Chicago HC 05-07

Notice that the ones who came through are at the end of the tenure, when others started taking over the org. The outset of the tenure was not good. To my mind the evidence presented falls a little more on my side of the argument.

The Sharks are OK on defense, not great. There are other orgs that are the pinnacle for dmen. Nashville is way up there now.

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