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WCQF: (1) Vancouver Canucks vs (8) Chicago Blackhawks Part II

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Interesting that both SJ's and Chi's turnarounds this season started with the acquisition of ex-Canuck castoff centers, Wellwood and Johnson.

These are both better 'NHL-ready' players than call-up Cody Hodgson. Unless Hodgson proves that he's ready now by some miracle.

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Wow, it's been less than 24 hours since we've known of this matchup and we're already over 1000 posts. This series is going to be a barnburner. Get your popcorn!

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Manny was a big difference to last year. Now I don't see a different Team.
Forwards:

- Burrows and Kesler are both 100% healthy.
- Hansen is a markedly improved player.
- Torres will bring a much stronger forecheck to the third line when he's healthy -- even when he's not doing much offensively, he will punish people. Would not be surprised to see him test the NHL's Wheel of Justice again in this series.
- Higgins' point production hasn't been there since he joined the Canucks, but he uses his speed much more effectively to complement Kesler's game. He digs out pucks for him, feeds him the puck in good spots on the rush, and digs around for rebounds. He kind of fulfills the role that Burrows does for the Sedins.
- Lapierre is a serviceable 3rd/4th line centre/winger that brings some sandpaper.
- Oreskovich is a question mark, but he's 6'3 225lbs and he skates very well for a big man. He's played a steady game in March/April for the Canucks before being sent down for cap reasons. He should wear on a few guys.

Defense:

- The Canucks third pair will be Ballard and Salo. Contrast that with the injury-ravaged defense from the end of the series last year (Mitchell out, Edler out mid-series, Salo playing on one, uh, leg, Bieksa playing the worst hockey of his career, etc.) and you have a major difference. No Obrien running around like an unfathomable moron cross-checking people will help, too.

Also, the Canucks were the #1 offense in the league this season and during the playoffs last year (IIRC), so that shouldn't be a problem. The primary issue for the Canucks last year was team defense, particularly a man down. This seems to have been addressed this season, but that's why they play the games.

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Carried over from Part 1


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The Hawks have been playing playoff hockey just to get in, the Nucks have been dogging it for a couple of weeks. I'm picking the Hawks for the 6 game upset, but look out, if the Canucks get into playoff mode quickly and get through the Hawks, they will be almost impossible to take out in later rounds.
And that is why Vancouver playing a bitter rival in the first round could be a blessing in disguise. They will likely have the intensity and be in playoff mode fairly early in this series, while against an easier 1st round match up like Dallas they may not have been.

Plus I think they wrapped up the President Trophy with the perfect amount of games left. Four games left after wrapping it up was enough to give them a rest both physically and mentally, without it being too long a stretch that too much rust and lack of mental focus would develop

While Chicago having to fight for their lives and be in playoff mode in the stretch drive could eventually wear on them mentally and physically later in the series.

At best the only advantage Chicago would have would be early in the series. If it is a long series as most expect, them later on IMO the advantage goes to Vancouver.

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This series should be more even than the last 2 times these teams met, but not so much that I'd give the Nucks a major edge, I see it as a 50/50 series, too tough to call. The Hawks did lose some good players, but they still have their stars, they still have that mental edge that comes from back to back playoff victories, and they've played Vancouver well in the regular season this year. I would not be the least bit surprised if the Hawks took this, despite how good Van has been this year. If the Hawks can pull out a victory in game 1 the pressure on the Nucks is gonna be IMMENSE, I see the first game as being very, very important.

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I'm actually surprised at the level of civility so far. Unless a lot of posts I haven't seen got deleted, which is very possible.

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I like the 2010 Stanley Cup Champions being the underdog!

Matter of fact, I think the Hawks have been the underdogs in the 08-09 playoffs(Calgary, Vancouver) and most of the 09-10 playoffs(Vancouver and San Jose) to many so called hockey analyst.

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Interesting that both SJ's and Chi's turnarounds this season started with the acquisition of ex-Canuck castoff centers, Wellwood and Johnson.

These are both better 'NHL-ready' players than call-up Cody Hodgson. Unless Hodgson proves that he's ready now by some miracle.
Wellwood maybe, but Johnson definitely not. There's not a worse "defensive" forward in the entire NHL. I've never seen a player that defends passing lanes so poorly, nor one with such abysmal shot-blocking technique.

Hodgson will probably play 8-12 minutes with favorable match-ups and two good defensive forwards. He was adequate as a 4th line centre earlier this season.

The fact that you attribute the "turnaround" of their of these teams to those acquisitions is also laughable. Is your next post going to detail what a good luck charm Jeff Tambellini is for the Canucks and how glaring his ommission from the Game 1 lineup will be?

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The playoff hockey just to get in thing is ********. There is no style that defines playoff hockey, look at the numerous ways teams have won in the last decade. Not to mention the fact that hawks almost blew it in the last 10 games, including a loss that should have cost them the playoffs in the last game despite refs helping them out a couple times...

Fact is this time the hawks are over matched. They are weaker in every aspect, the Canucks are deeper in every position. The hawks best chance will be getting in Luongo's head... something I think they'll have a hard time doing without big buff. The Canucks have played consistently well almost all year (with only a poor start) and have overcome huge injuries in doing so.

I would argue this is a team built for the playoffs.... if only because of the mass depth they have especially at defense. They've signed players and traded for players based on their playoff weaknesses not their regular season shortfalls.

If I were a hawks fan I would be worried.

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I like the 2010 Stanley Cup Champions being the underdog!

Matter of fact, I think the Hawks have been the underdogs in the 08-09 playoffs(Calgary, Vancouver) and most of the 09-10 playoffs(Vancouver and San Jose) to many so called hockey analyst.
Reading HFBoards, I'd assume that the opposite was the case.

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If Vancouver were like Montreal, the city would burn during this series regardless of whether they win or lose.

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I like the 2010 Stanley Cup Champions being the underdog!

Matter of fact, I think the Hawks have been the underdogs in the 08-09 playoffs(Calgary, Vancouver) and most of the 09-10 playoffs(Vancouver and San Jose) to many so called hockey analyst.
The Hawks were not the underdog vs. Vancouver last year, they were a clear cut favourite and a better team.

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The Hawks were not the underdog vs. Vancouver last year, they were a clear cut favourite and a better team.
You wouldn't know it by the way Canucks fans and the media were spouting off about Vancouver both years.

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you happen to watch the 7-1 blowout this year?
Probably not directed at me, but I did and it was AWESOME! Even Brouwer made a big league power move to the net and scored, looked like Hossa. Crawford was awesome in that game and Luongo/Scheider both played like dog poop. Hopefully we'll see another one like that in this series, preferably at the Roge!
Did you guys see the Canucks record following that game?

After a couple more days with a loss to Phoenix, the Canucks flicked on the switch and became the leagues best regular season team bar none.

A 7-1 game from early in the year is meaningless - or does that argument not work unless your goalie is Turco?



Why do I do this...

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I like the 2010 Stanley Cup Champions being the underdog!

Matter of fact, I think the Hawks have been the underdogs in the 08-09 playoffs(Calgary, Vancouver) and most of the 09-10 playoffs(Vancouver and San Jose) to many so called hockey analyst.
What?

In 2008-09 Chicago finished with 104 points ahead of both Calgary 98 Points, and Vancouver 100 Points.

Both those series were considered pretty much even and could go either way. You had home ice against Calgary, and Vancouver had home ice in the other series.

The one series Chicago were considered significant underdogs they lost to Detroit.

In 2009-10 Chicago finished with 112 Points, 2nd in the Conference, one point behind San Jose. Their playoff opponents finished with.

Nashville 100 Points
Vancouver 103 Points
San Jose 113 Points
Philadelphia 88 Points

As well last year Chicago was pretty much most of the media`s pre-season favorite to win the Cup.

The only team you faced with more points was San Jose who one whole point more than Chicago. That series was pretty much considered even as well.

Nice try but trying to play the underdog card especially last season is pretty ridiculous.

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