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04-11-2011, 08:06 PM
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Crawford over Luongo? Crawford sucks, Luongo doesn't.
don't even pretend like you've seen crawford play

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04-11-2011, 08:06 PM
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How does a player that's been seen as overrated (wasn't he voted so in a players poll... this season?), suddenly become one of the most underrated players?
This happens ALOT. The opposite also happens alot.

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04-11-2011, 08:07 PM
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But at the same time, are you really going to argue that Luongo is better than Rinne at this point?
Define 'this point'

Because I would say yes.

Rinne has been a great goalie this year. Has he been better than Luongo this year? It's debatable, their stats are very close, and nashville plays a defensive style. If GM's are making the choice I think more GM's choose Luongo.

Look up Luongos first season with the Canucks. I think that is a good comparison to Rinnes season this year. Low scoring defense oriented styles of play. Few mistakes and allowing few shots from good positions while allowing more low percentage shots from the outside.

Now Luongo is putting up better stats on a team (while relativley the same team mind you) plays a very different style of hockey than they did then.

So, with this all being said, I would say that the top 8 in my humble opinion

Luongo
Rinne
Bryz
Hiller
Niemi
Quick
Howard
Crawford.

I think that if any GM was given the choice and all else being equal, that is how they would choose their starting goalies for the playoffs.

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04-11-2011, 08:09 PM
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How does a player that's been seen as overrated (wasn't he voted so in a players poll... this season?), suddenly become one of the most underrated players?
Because it was absolutely ridiculous that he was ever seen as being overrated.

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04-11-2011, 08:10 PM
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Lol you really think neimi is better than quick?
He isn't. Your OP was pretty accurate.

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04-11-2011, 08:12 PM
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Actually you didn't. You'll have to forgive my automatic defense system. It has been worked on quite a bit the last two-years. You were respectful in what you said.

I honestly doubt any team in the league would be upset if someone offered them one of those three goalies. They are all great.
Yeah, it's okay, I get that automatic defense system too. Whenever I see a poster with a Chicago avatar, and the word "7uongo"

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04-11-2011, 08:14 PM
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Few mistakes and allowing few shots from good positions while allowing more low percentage shots from the outside.
You nailed it.

Looking at shots faced isn't going to tell you the whole story. At least not for Bryz. We let people shoot all day, but a lot of times, it is right when they enter the blueline or from horrible angles.

So while you look at the final number of shots and think: "Wow, Bryz saved their ass". Really, most of those shots hit him square in the chest or were so far away he could have taken a drink then saved them.

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04-11-2011, 08:14 PM
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1)Bryz-922%
2)Rhinne-930%
3)Crawford-917%
4)Niemi-920%
5)Luongo-928%(Inflation,Schneider has a 929% so really how good are they?lol)
6)Quick-917%
7)Howard-908%
8)Ellis-898%

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04-11-2011, 08:17 PM
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Luongo
Rinne
Bryz
Hiller
Niemi
Quick
Howard
Crawford
.

I think that if any GM was given the choice and all else being equal, that is how they would choose their starting goalies for the playoffs.
I don't think any GM would take Howard over Crawford.
Crawford isn't as good as some of these other guys, but he's still a legit starting goalie.

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04-11-2011, 08:17 PM
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Because it was absolutely ridiculous that he was ever seen as being overrated.
How?

- Team Canada olympic goaltender
- Drafted 4th overall
- 60-70 game starter
- Constant spotlight of playing in a major hockey city, in Canada
- 300 NHL wins, career 2.53 GAA and .919 SV%, 55 shutouts

Yet, with all that, he hasn't been out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. He is the furthest thing from being underrated you can get.

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04-11-2011, 08:19 PM
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1.luongo-Rinne
2.Rinne-luongo
3.bryz
4.niemi
5.quick
6.crawford
7.howard
8.ellis


if hiller wasnt injured..then he would be near the top......if he never had vertigo

I would put hiller up with the top pairings

as for earlier arguments......nashville is very defensivly minded so dont be hard onluongo because he plays on a better team.......with the most injuries to the bacend of any team...luongo was key

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Rinne > Luongo

No question about it. Luongo is still a very good goalie, no doubt about it, but Rinne has carried the Preds through many occasions this year.

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04-11-2011, 08:19 PM
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Really, Lu over Rinne and Bryz? Those are some sweet homer glasses you have there.

Nevermind, someone already corrected you. I can live with a: Rinne, Lu, Bryz, top three.
Please pay no attention to Pauser. He once tried to use time of day as a reason why Luongo was losing a poll. He comes up with entirely baseless opinions that he tries to pass off as facts. If you disagree with him, although 99% of people will, you're wrong and he's right.

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04-11-2011, 08:21 PM
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1)Bryz-922%
2)Rhinne-930%
3)Crawford-917%
4)Niemi-920%
5)Luongo-928%(Inflation,Schneider has a 929% so really how good are they?lol)
6)Quick-917%
7)Howard-908%
8)Ellis-898%
Hawks trolls are the worst.

1) Rinne
2) Luongo
3) Bryzgalov
4) Quick
5) Crawford
6) Niemi
7) Howard
8) Ellis

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04-11-2011, 08:22 PM
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I don't think any GM would take Howard over Crawford.
Crawford isn't as good as some of these other guys, but he's still a legit starting goalie.
Maybe, I suppose I'm just a bit more familiar with Howard as he definitely stole one of the wings-nucks games this year.

I guess if I look at things objectively the wings would be in the same spot if they had Crawford, whereas the Hawks would not.

Okay, I give, Crawford then Howard.

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04-11-2011, 08:24 PM
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Hawks trolls are the worst.

1) Rinne
2) Luongo
3) Bryzgalov
4) Quick
5) Crawford
6) Niemi
7) Howard
8) Ellis
You don't agree with his opinion or reasoning, and he's the troll?

Yeah..

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04-11-2011, 08:25 PM
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Yes, the Canucks handing their goalies nearly 1 more goal to work with per game has nothing to do with goalie performance Your first quip would work if the Coyotes leading goalscorer didn't have 20 goals
Watch a hockey game or two...Vancouver lead the league in goals because their D men are very aggressive...they take chances and heavily rely on their goalies to bail them out...which they did all season long...which is why they had the best GA too. Also we had our top 6 D healthy for 1 game all season long.

Both Rinne and Bryz play in a system that is focused on playing a more defensive game and capitalizing on mistakes to win games.

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Wouldn't have anything to do with the team in front of him having one of their best years to date, would it?
Have you seen the injurie on the canuvks, or actually watched luongo this season? Were You just trollin?

Luongo
Rinne
Bryzgalov
Quick
Niemi
Crawford
Howard
Ellis

If Hiller is back i put him between Bryzgalov and Quick

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Rinne
Bryz
Hiller

Quick
Luongo

Crawford
Niemi

Howard
Ellis

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Niemi - Proven winner who's been great for SJ
Rinne - Big, athletic goaltender should be finalist for Vezina
Bryzgalov - Vezina finalist last season, the most important player to his team
Hiller - Was having a Vezina season before vertigo, if he's healthy he could be special
Luongo - Lack of playoff success knocks him down lower then he probably should be, especially after his best Reg.Season ever
Quick - Good young goalie trying to find playoff success
Crawford - Having a great rookie season, now we'll see what he's got when it really counts
Howard - Playing behind the likes of Stuart, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall only managed a 2.79 GAA and a .908 SV%.

EDIT: Forgot Quick.
Im just gonna keep ranting here. Really tired of the unjustified Luongo hate on these boards.


One of the infamous playoff games that according to many was all Luongo's fault and he choked against Chicago. Giving him this reputation of a "playoff choker"

First of all Luongo was outstanding in the first period. Kept the Canucks in the game when they had no business being in the game.

First Goal scored: Wellwood could not keep up with his assignment, cross ice pass, Luongo had no chance.
Second Goal: Terrible turnover by Bieksa, Chicago scores on a 3 on 1.
Third Goal:Breakaway
Fourth Goal: Bieksa cant stay on assignment, Kane is all alone
Fifth Goal:Byfuglien all alone in front, with clear lane to the net.

Did Luongo have his best game? No. Did he choke and deserve this label of a poor playoff performer that has been tossed on him? Hardly. I'm just tired of people who look at scoreboards who don't actually watch the games thinking they know the whole story.

-Sorry to single your post out, but its just the common thinking I see on these boards.

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Rinne
Bryz
Niemi
Luongo
Quick
Crawford
Howard
Ducks

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I think Hawks fans are just intentionally putting Luongo in the bottom 4 just to get a rise out of Canucks fans.

In any event, if you are a GM I think you look at these guys in tiers. I feel really good about my goaltending with the tier 1 guys. I feel reasonably confident in 2a and slightly less so with 2b. The tier 3 guys are, I think, unknown quantities. If they're playing like they can, they can win you some playoff games, but in my view its a gamble.

1) Rinne - Luongo

2a) Bryz - Hiller
2b) Niemi - Howard

3) Quick - Crawford - Ellis

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You don't agree with his opinion or reasoning, and he's the troll?

Yeah..
Anyone else think Luongo and Schneider's stats are inflated whilst using save percentage as an argument?

Save percentage has nothing to do with the team in front of you. Whats so ever.

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^^ Quick is better than bottom tier IMO

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But at the same time, are you really going to argue that Luongo is better than Rinne at this point?
I'm going to argue that Luongo is alot closer to Rinne as the best goalie available out of the west playoff teams as your posts are making it out to be. Luongo is closer to 6th out all 16 playoff teams.

Thomas
Lundqvist
Rinne
Price
Luongo

But out of the west it should be

Rinne
Lou
Bryz
Hiller
Quick
Howard
Niemi
Crawford


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