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04-11-2011, 09:35 PM
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Save percentage has nothing to do with the team in front of you. Whats so ever.
This is not true. A team with a solid defensive system keeps shots to low percentage areas and doesn't give up as many odd man rushes and breakaways.

But by no means are either of the Canucks' goalies a product of the team. They have both been unbelievable.

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04-11-2011, 09:37 PM
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Wait so what is Anaheim's situation? I know Hiller had vertigo, but I obviously haven't been paying enough attention.

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04-11-2011, 09:38 PM
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Im just gonna keep ranting here. Really tired of the unjustified Luongo hate on these boards.

-Sorry to single your post out, but its just the common thinking I see on these boards.
I don't mind you singling out my post.

However, I did justify putting Luongo where I put him, and on top of that, I said he's probably lower then he should be, but I've seen first hand how he can implode. Whether you think it was soley on him or not is fine, it's a team game, it can't all be Luongo's fault. On top of some of his poor performances, Burrows and Kesler haven't played well enough against the Hawks, nor have the Sedin's been as great as they're likely capable.

However, Luongo will have to go deep to prove himself. Have all the other goaltenders I listed ahead of him gone deep? No, they have not. But, they play on lesser teams (no offense!), with less expectations, and haven't gone on after a loss to say "At least I didn't let in 7"...

When Luongo goes deep, I will happily give him the respect. I don't hate Luongo, I cheered for him as loud as anyone else during the olymipcs, but he's got to prove himself in the playoffs. Vancouver has had cup aspirations for a couple years now and he's been a very big reason why they haven't gotten there. Not the only reason, but a big one.

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04-11-2011, 09:40 PM
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Anyone else think Luongo and Schneider's stats are inflated whilst using save percentage as an argument?

Save percentage has nothing to do with the team in front of you. Whats so ever.
You could make an argument that the team infront of him does have quite a bit to do with it. Less high quality chances, less shots in general, etc. But anyways I'm not saying I agree with his reasoning, but he's not a troll for having that reasoning.

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04-11-2011, 09:44 PM
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Luongo shouldn't be in the top 4 IMO. A lot of people must be rating him based on past seasons.

Rinne
Bryzgalov
Hiller
Quick
Niemi
Luongo
Crawford
Howard
This season was one of his best ever.

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04-11-2011, 09:48 PM
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Save percentage has nothing to do with the team in front of you. Whats so ever.
By that logic an Alexei Semenov wrister on goal from center ice is as difficult to stop as a Joe Sakic snapshot from the slot.

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04-11-2011, 09:49 PM
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Rinne
Bryzgalov
Hiller
Niemi
Luongo
Quick
Crawford
Howard

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04-11-2011, 09:50 PM
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Wait so what is Anaheim's situation? I know Hiller had vertigo, but I obviously haven't been paying enough attention.
Ellis will likely start, Hiller is still having issues with vertigo and Emery has an undisclosed injury.

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I think Hawks fans are just intentionally putting Luongo in the bottom 4 just to get a rise out of Canucks fans.

In any event, if you are a GM I think you look at these guys in tiers. I feel really good about my goaltending with the tier 1 guys. I feel reasonably confident in 2a and slightly less so with 2b. The tier 3 guys are, I think, unknown quantities. If they're playing like they can, they can win you some playoff games, but in my view its a gamble.

1) Rinne - Luongo

2a) Bryz - Hiller
2b) Niemi - Howard

3) Quick - Crawford - Ellis
I'm all for tiers. But I just can't put Bryz with Hiller and the others. I'd either make tier 1a and 1b, having Bryz in the 1b. Or have tier two for Bryz himself. In my opinion he is up there with Lu and Rinne. But I don't see how he can be any less than third, with a gap between fourth.

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1. Rinne Tier 1
2. Luongo
3. Bryzgalov Tier 1b
4. Niemi Tier 2
5. Quick
6. Crawford Tier 2b
7. Howard Tier 3
8. Emery/Ellis Tier 8

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Whoever put quick ahead of luongo is ridiculous.

Luongo has won 3 playoff series and a gold medal and quick was lit up in the playoffs last year.

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04-11-2011, 10:22 PM
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Luongo shouldn't be in the top 4 IMO. A lot of people must be rating him based on past seasons.

Rinne
Bryzgalov
Hiller
Quick
Niemi
Luongo
Crawford
Howard
He's probably going to get a Vezina nomination this year.

1) Rinne
2) Luongo
3) Quick
4) Bryzgalov
5) Niemi
6) Crawford
7) Ellis/Emery
8) Howard

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04-11-2011, 10:29 PM
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The idea that Crawford is better than Luongo is even more nuts than the idea that Howard is better than Niemi.

Luongo
Bryzgalov
Hiller
Rinne
Niemi
Quick
Howard
Crawford
Ellis

Nashville overcounts shots and this is Rinne's first above average season.
Recently it seems like a bunch of posters have been on this "X team overcounts shots" thing. What is this based on? Because if it's "well, I counted this many shots, and the guy in Nashville counted this many" it's pretty unreliable. If it's "ESPN counted X shots and _______ counted Y shots" it's still unreliable. It's one person's count versus another. Also, it being Rinne's first "above-average" season (I think it can be argued that anything above .910 and around or below 2.50 is above-average, if only slightly) isn't relevant since this is ranking the goalies for the play offs this year, not based on careers. If it were relevant this is when I'd go into how Trotz misused Rinne last season by rotating him with Ellis instead of using him in the workhorse role in which he thrives, but I digress

Anyway

Rinne
Bryz/Luongo
Quick
(Hiller would go here if it weren't for his unfortunate situation)
Niemi/Crawford
Emery
Ellis/Howard

It's tough to rank the eight goalies when Anaheim has three possibles

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Luongo shouldn't be in the top 4 IMO. A lot of people must be rating him based on past seasons.
Rinne
Bryzgalov
Hiller
Quick
Niemi
Luongo
Crawford
Howard
That's the exact opposite of what's happening. People are assuming he's going to choke again based on the last couple of years.

He'd be 2nd on everybody's list if they were basing it off of this year. I'm pretty sure that he hasn't let in 4 goals in regulation since 2010.

And how is he below Quick? He outplayed him in the playoffs last year and in the regular season this year.

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04-11-2011, 10:34 PM
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That's the exact opposite of what's happening. People are assuming he's going to choke again based on the last couple of years.

He'd be 2nd on everybody's list if they were basing it off of this year. I'm pretty sure that he hasn't let in 4 goals in regulation since 2010.

And how is he below Quick? He outplayed him in the playoffs last year and in the regular season this year.
Quick didn't give up 7 goals in one playoff game two years ago while playing behind a lackluster defence.

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04-11-2011, 10:38 PM
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Wouldn't have anything to do with the team in front of him having one of their best years to date, would it?
You mean the defense that's been healthy for all of 1 game all year? (hint: the last game...)

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Am I taking this thread the wrong way? I was under the assumption we're selecting goalies based on how we feel they rank going into this year's play offs... why does last year or the season before even matter? As much as I dislike Vancouver, Luo has had one hell of a season with those guys. Weak division or not, he's still had to play a ton of games in a very competitive Western conference. Call me a homer if you want, but I only take Rinne over Luo going into the play offs. MAYBE Bryz instead since he plays at a high level behind a team that plays similar to ours.

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04-11-2011, 10:40 PM
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1. Luongo
2. Rinne
3. Hiller
4. Bryzgalov
5. Niemi
6. Quick
7. Howard
8. Crawford
9. Ellis/Emery

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Luongo shouldn't be in the top 4 IMO. A lot of people must be rating him based on past seasons.

Rinne
Bryzgalov
Hiller
Quick
Niemi
Luongo
Crawford
Howard
he's been a top three goalie again this season

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Howard is definatly better then Crawford. Not sure how people can put Crawford with not even one year under his belt over him.

Howard's rookie season was better then his, and even tho he's had a shaky year, when he's on he's much better then Crawford.

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Howard is definatly better then Crawford. Not sure how people can put Crawford with not even one year under his belt over him.

Howard's rookie season was better then his, and even tho he's had a shaky year, when he's on he's much better then Crawford.
I guess people are checking the stats and seeing that Crawford's save % is an entire percentage point higher than Howard's.

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1. Rinne
2. Bryzgalov
3. Luongo
4. Quick
5. Crawford
6. Niemi
7. Howard
8. The Anaheim guy
These are my picks as well

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That's fine and dandy, but if we are going to judge them on an individual basis, the influence of the team in front of them must be considered. The best measure of this (in my opinion) is playoff stats, and Luongo didn't do so well last year. If he puts up great numbers this year and stands on his head, Ill retract my opinion. Having said that, and having experienced the frustration that is the Pacific division goalies, I'd take any of them over Luongo If I had to dump Bryz. And yes, I've watched Luongo.



Bottom? No. Top? Definitely not, and I'm not alone in this. Lets see if he can do as well in the postseason before anointing him.
and Rinne gets a pass on proving himself because?

Oh right, Luongo on hf. Double standards and stupid comments galore.

But I'm a worthless canuck homer for bringing it up.

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Howard is definatly better then Crawford. Not sure how people can put Crawford with not even one year under his belt over him.

Howard's rookie season was better then his, and even tho he's had a shaky year, when he's on he's much better then Crawford.
Howard 2009-10:

W 37, L 15, OT 10, GAA 2.26, SV% .924, SO 3

Crawford 2010-11:

W 33, L 18, OT 6, GAA 2.30, SV% .917, SO 4

Howard wasn't much better, and he's been very average this season.

When Crawfords on he's much better then Howard.

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Howard is definatly better then Crawford. Not sure how people can put Crawford with not even one year under his belt over him.

Howard's rookie season was better then his, and even tho he's had a shaky year, when he's on he's much better then Crawford.
Howard gives up backbreaking soft goals all the time and did so in last years playoffs. People have seen enough of Howard to know he isn't the type of goalie to lead a team to anything

Is Osgood back? If he was then he might be the best option for Wings

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