Beats the heck out of not having enough like we've had the last couple of years.
Eh? We have had plenty of 3rd liners the last few years, except that they have been playing on the 2nd line. My point by that comment is that people tend to talk about a good 3rd liner for a lot of our prospects.
Lander, Pitlick, Hamilton, coglinao (if he stays here), Jones, Hartekainen, etc etc.
Then we have a vet like Horcoff that should be nowhere near the top two lines. The 3rd line seems to be the standard place to put guys.
I think I might still prefer to see him in the WHL, given he's unlikely to see big minutes in the AHL and that there really is no reason to rush things along. Good to see him signed though.
A third line of Hamilton-Lander-Pitlick would be quite a line in about 2-3 years.
yeah that is the 3rd line i envision in a few years as well... nice size, defensive awareness and a little bit of scoring touch too boot... in a pinch, one of them could likely play on your 2nd line as well (injury fill in etc), although you wouldn't want them on your 2nd line all year or anything (not enough scoring pop)
yeah that is the 3rd line i envision in a few years as well... nice size, defensive awareness and a little bit of scoring touch too boot... in a pinch, one of them could likely play on your 2nd line as well (injury fill in etc), although you wouldn't want them on your 2nd line all year or anything (not enough scoring pop)
The SEL and CHL production says 55 points for complete 2 way players. Wonder what the 30th(bottom first) and 45th (top 2nd) ranked players for each position got.
LW 30th R. Smyth 47PT 45th R. Malone 38pt
C 30th Jokinen 54pt 45th J. stoll 43pt
RW 30th Samuelson 50pt 45th Bertuzzi 45pt
Do you even know what 1st and second line production is:
To be third line you have to get less than:
LW 29pt;
C 37pt;
RW 32pt
The SEL and CHL production says 55 points for complete 2 way players. Wonder what the 30th(bottom first) and 45th (top 2nd) ranked players for each position got.
LW 30th R. Smyth 47PT 45th R. Malone 38pt
C 30th Jokinen 54pt 45th J. stoll 43pt
RW 30th Samuelson 50pt 45th Bertuzzi 45pt
Do you even know what 1st and second line production is:
To be third line you have to get less than:
LW 29pt;
C 37pt;
RW 32pt
I'd imagine that when people say "third liner," they likely mean "third liner on a legit contender." Because really, is there any other context in which projections hold water? While everyone from 61-90 in scoring from their respective position may be considered a third liner, I don't see why using that conception of the term does you any good with prospect projections.
Eh? We have had plenty of 3rd liners the last few years, except that they have been playing on the 2nd line. My point by that comment is that people tend to talk about a good 3rd liner for a lot of our prospects.
Lander, Pitlick, Hamilton, coglinao (if he stays here), Jones, Hartekainen, etc etc.
Then we have a vet like Horcoff that should be nowhere near the top two lines. The 3rd line seems to be the standard place to put guys.
I disagree that we've had plenty of 3rd liners playing on the 2nd line. We've had a lot of players that can't put it together to be regular NHL players playing on the 2nd line. Other than Horcoff, I agree with you on that...although if he's your 2nd line center it's ok, still overpaid by at least 1.5 mil though
But kids like Lander, Pitlick, Hamilton, and Hartikainen are all going to be at the very least very good bottom 6 players and the reason I believe this is because they all the skill set to be that. Guys like Bobby Nilsson and POS never had that, they were top 6 or nothing. 3rd line you want guys that can play in there own zone, and big body guys that are good on the boards and have grit. This is Hamilton, this is Lander, this is Hartikainen, and this is Pitlick though the latter 2 obviously will need a lot more improvement in there defensive play than the 2 former.
yeah that is the 3rd line i envision in a few years as well... nice size, defensive awareness and a little bit of scoring touch too boot... in a pinch, one of them could likely play on your 2nd line as well (injury fill in etc), although you wouldn't want them on your 2nd line all year or anything (not enough scoring pop)
I love the thought of that as our 3rd line too bro but I don't know why we need to write off Hamilton or Pitlick for the 2nd or even top line as of right now. Hamilton definitly showed this season that he has top 6 potential in the NHL.
Edmonton's prospect depth is incredible. There's a good chance that one or two of our projected bottom 6 players could turn out to be effective top 6 players. That our we could be high offense team with 3 scoring lines.
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I've been thinking about that the past few months. Tambo did say he wanted competition from within the organization.
You have the greatest avatar that I've ever seen on these boards.
I love the thought of that as our 3rd line too bro but I don't know why we need to write off Hamilton or Pitlick for the 2nd or even top line as of right now. Hamilton definitly showed this season that he has top 6 potential in the NHL.
That's my though, and don't forget that Harti had a good call-up time, playing big minutes and proved that he can bring much needed second scoring even playing in bottom 6. And he's still only 20.
Then we have Lander, he's almost sure 3rd liner but I think he has potential for decent 2nd line center role as he has nice hands and playmaking skills, so it wouldn't surprise me if he would become better version of Horcoff.
And it seems that everyone has forget Martindale, he had a good season and improve a lot from last season. He has potential, was more consistent that earlier seasons, but only time will tell if he's ready to play in big league in some day. (At least I hope he will make it as he would ease our size problem)
That's my though, and don't forget that Harti had a good call-up time, playing big minutes and proved that he can bring much needed second scoring even playing in bottom 6. And he's still only 20.
Then we have Lander, he's almost sure 3rd liner but I think he has potential for decent 2nd line center role as he has nice hands and playmaking skills, so it wouldn't surprise me if he would become better version of Horcoff.
And it seems that everyone has forget Martindale, he had a good season and improve a lot from last season. He has potential, was more consistent that earlier seasons, but only time will tell if he's ready to play in big league in some day. (At least I hope he will make it as he would ease our size problem)
I think when you start forgetting about certain players its actually a good thing. Back in the day guys like Brian Swanson and Jason Chimera were guys people talked about yet it was over hyping. I like all the size the team is accumulating Pitlick, Lander, Hamilton, Martindale.
NCAA Division 1 hockey is better hockey then WHL imo.. I agree with the premise that WHL is better for development. More games, more emphasis on the craft of hockey. This in mind Uni is still a better league hands down.
its hard to say as there are 22yo's playing college hockey but it would make for some great games..
Please for the love of God someone tell me oilerbear is a gimmick and that he/she/it is just toying with us, has us all in the palm of their hand and is doing this as some sort of bad joke for added entertainment on the boards.
Now that our farm team isn't a developmental blackhole, I'd be okay with sending Pitlick to the AHL next season. In reality, we have too many prospects and I suspect a few of them will be traded in the offseason.
Pitlick most likely playing on the wing as a pro might put a snag in that plan. Heck, he's already spending just as much, if not more, time on the wing in junior.
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Beats the heck out of not having enough like we've had the last couple of years.
exactly. will be cool to have players fighting for jobs with us ending up with some talent on the ice and depth if the falter.
I'm sure we're all sick of having crap on the ice because thats all we had.
Pitlick most likely playing on the wing as a pro might put a snag in that plan. Heck, he's already spending just as much, if not more, time on the wing in junior.
Haha, just realized that, my bad. Thought he was a natural centre. Well, at least he brings what we need on a 3rd line.
Haha, just realized that, my bad. Thought he was a natural centre. Well, at least he brings what we need on a 3rd line.
Yes, he's a natural center. (i believe he got moved in college to right wing) He's playing on a very good Tigers team though. Also, he is pretty good on the faceoff dot. Depending how the Oilers fill the right wing, I see Pitlick being 2nd or 3rd line right winger. behind Hemsky (for now) and Eberle.
Pitlick at RW is just as valuable as having him at C. Our RW isn't overly deep, we have Hemsky (for now at least), Eberle, and...
Like many have already mentioned, I am hoping for a Hamilton - Lander - Pitlick 3rd line in the future. Hamilton and Lander already have a well developed defensive game and Pitlick has all the tools to be become solid defensively as well. If things pan out for them they will be the definition of two-way players.
I'd imagine that when people say "third liner," they likely mean "third liner on a legit contender." Because really, is there any other context in which projections hold water? While everyone from 61-90 in scoring from their respective position may be considered a third liner, I don't see why using that conception of the term does you any good with prospect projections.
So you are saying the term is used incorrectly.
Just say they have a top XXXX for there position.
What i presented is in fact the 1st line 2nd line Barriers.
don't say they are 3rd line unless they are.
It is uneducated or a lie. No other choice.
