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04-14-2011, 08:32 AM
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+ Dan Bylsma having boys ready to go
+ Fleury
+ Team defense was extremely solid
+ Asham's goal - amazing

- Staal missing a lot of golden opportunities.
- Consol Center Crowd

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+ Fleury: Best game he's ever played in the postseason.

+ Neal: Simply dominant out there tonight. He can be an absolute force when he's on his game. His passing is also much better than I thought it would be, he made a few terrific passes including the one that lead to the GWG.

+ Staal: He didn't capitalize on his chances, but the important thing was that he generated them. He was the best player on his line tonight, something that hasn't been the case recently.

+ Top 4 D: Great game from everybody.

- Kennedy: This is probably a reach, I just didn't notice him as much as I would have expected.
Good stuff. Neal was an animal, and I'll agree with Steiggy (or Bibs) that his backchecking is Hossa-esque. Very determined player, and he's so due for the puck to start going in.

Love that we'll have this top 4 for most of this decade. Will get better and better over time simply due to chemistry.


Just an observation on the series - Tampa is going to keep coming hard offensively like they did in the first. MAF if going to need to keep holding the fort until we can grind out a goal. Can't afford to get behind by more than a goal and expect a win with our current roster.

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If that Tampa defense was sucking wind and playing scared 2 periods into this series, they are going to be much worse off by game 4 & 5.
How about that shift where Hedman was blasted 3 times in about 15 seconds?

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+ Dan Bylsma having boys ready to go
+ Fleury
+ Team defense was extremely solid
+ Asham's goal - amazing

- Staal missing a lot of golden opportunities.
- Consol Center Crowd
Were you there? I've read nothing but praise this morning about the crowd....

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Even: Kovalev

He scored. Congratulations on being lazy and being in perfect position for a goal after the turnover. He still floated around all game. At one point I saw him forechecking a d-man, he got real close to him, only problem was his stick never touched the ice. He still pisses me off. Congratulations on your gift?

I guess he still has great hands. Doesn't do you too good when you try to rush the puck in the zone taking 2 strides followed by a mean glide. Wait you mean a player caught up and took the puck off you?

He still is one of our biggest offensive threats, but is he really? Sack up and play 100% at least in playoffs.

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04-14-2011, 08:55 AM
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You can dump on Kovy all you want, but we NEED those hands right now. I could give two sh*ts about his laziness. One lazy player out of 26 isn't going to kill this team. But his hands can win us games right now, and that's all that matters.

I am far more encouraged after Game 1 than I was going in. Neal really played well last night. Orpik set the tone. Loved it. Fleury was great. The style of play suited us perfectly. We just now need to be prepared for a MUCH better Bolts squad in Game 2.

One thing that Boucher may do that would be tougher on us, match-ups wise, is reunite St. Louis and Stamkos. I think that makes it harder for Bylsma, because then we'd probably move Staal's line to Stamkos, since you always want them out there vs. St. Louis. But that frees up the big body of Lecavalier, since he won't have to worry about Staal anymore. If I were Boucher, I'd definitely try this. TB needs to get Stamkos going somehow.

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not sure how Staal or the crowd get minuses?

people from the game said the crowd was amazing. I was happy to hear that.

Staal was everywhere tonight. Very physical also and creating space in front and down low. He got alot of chances because he was in position and earned them. Of course it'd be great if one went in, but a minus for earning chances? And not acknowledging the quality of his game overall?

put down the hateraid!


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04-14-2011, 08:56 AM
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Even: Kovalev

He scored. Congratulations on being lazy and being in perfect position for a goal after the turnover. He still floated around all game. At one point I saw him forechecking a d-man, he got real close to him, only problem was his stick never touched the ice. He still pisses me off. Congratulations on your gift?

I guess he still has great hands. Doesn't do you too good when you try to rush the puck in the zone taking 2 strides followed by a mean glide. Wait you mean a player caught up and took the puck off you?

He still is one of our biggest offensive threats, but is he really? Sack up and play 100% at least in playoffs.
I dunno.. he is what he is. He isn't going to take over a game any more. He isn't going to bring a ton of intensity on every shift. But he is going to be one of our few threats to score around the trap.

I thought Kovy did a good job at the few tasks he was assigned too. He carried the puck into the zone on the PP a few times (a feat that Kris Letang hasn't been able to figure out yet). He had a few good dangles to get around the Tampa trap. I dont expect much from Kovy. I guess thats why i am pretty happy with what we get.

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Even: Kovalev

He scored. Congratulations on being lazy and being in perfect position for a goal after the turnover. He still floated around all game. At one point I saw him forechecking a d-man, he got real close to him, only problem was his stick never touched the ice. He still pisses me off. Congratulations on your gift?

I guess he still has great hands. Doesn't do you too good when you try to rush the puck in the zone taking 2 strides followed by a mean glide. Wait you mean a player caught up and took the puck off you?

He still is one of our biggest offensive threats, but is he really? Sack up and play 100% at least in playoffs.
I have to call out this post... srry...

First of all if some ****** just pulled my skates out like that and I went down that hard, I wouldn't be getting up too quickly either... he smacked his head off the ice pretty hard and you want to rag on him for it? Wtf? You lose all your senses for a few seconds when that happens unless your head is made out of cement.

I'm not sure what else people want out of a 38 yr old Kovy...

Do people really expect to see vintage Kovy from 10 years ago?

He made a number of excellent passes; cycled the puck well; made good decisions with the puck; backchecked hard; didn't take any of his patented lazy stick penalties

If you are looking for him to fly up and down the ice dazzling the crowd at this age, you are of course going to be sorely disappointed every game.

The expectations for Kovy at this point in his career are way too unrealistic.

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04-14-2011, 08:59 AM
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Staal was everywhere tonight. Very physical also and creating space in front and down low. He got alot of chances because he was in position and earned them. Of course it'd be great if one went in, but a minus for earning chances? And not acknowledging the quality of his game overall?

put down the hateraid!
The problem i had with Staal was that he wasn't even putting his scoring chances on net. Its one thing if Roloson robs you, like he did many of our scorers, but Staal can't even get there. Hes an offensively inept as he is defensively gifted. I think he can do better.

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Can the Pens make their marketing slogan for next year be "Grind These *****es Down"?

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Yep, but it's like that for me all season long, I kinde get used to it after the 20-game mark.

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gahhhh. makes me cringe just reading that. definitely one of the more egregious no-calls you'll see in the playoffs. the bolts are very much justified in being pissed off about that one.
You're right for the most part, but...

I've always had a huge problem with players and fans moaning about high sticks that happen - when a player's head is a foot off the ground after falling.

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04-14-2011, 09:11 AM
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The problem i had with Staal was that he wasn't even putting his scoring chances on net. Its one thing if Roloson robs you, like he did many of our scorers, but Staal can't even get there. Hes an offensively inept as he is defensively gifted. I think he can do better.
I actually recall many of his chances hitting the net, just not well aimed (mostly hit Rolo's logo). Thinking mostly of shots happening around the PP that actually looked good. Thinking of the one directly in front too.

But he carried the puck well tonight also and wasn't making terrible turn-overs or passes. Used his size to drive the net also.

Again, wishing he was a better finisher is one thing. I get that. Giving him a minus and treating his offense like a grinder is another. You don't get that many chances if your inept....

he was effective tonight, and helped us win.

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Even: Kovalev

He scored. Congratulations on being lazy and being in perfect position for a goal after the turnover. He still floated around all game. At one point I saw him forechecking a d-man, he got real close to him, only problem was his stick never touched the ice. He still pisses me off. Congratulations on your gift?

I guess he still has great hands. Doesn't do you too good when you try to rush the puck in the zone taking 2 strides followed by a mean glide. Wait you mean a player caught up and took the puck off you?

He still is one of our biggest offensive threats, but is he really? Sack up and play 100% at least in playoffs.
I guess you didn't notice how Kovy played mind games with Malone all night, and even threw in some punches. I think you should get the ice bath ready because we need that same effort from him Friday night. What do we honestly create without him out there? Dump - chase - lose battle, dump - chase - lose battle. Kovy gives us another dimension that teams have to respect.

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Orpik, current playoff leader in assists haha. funny to see his picture there.

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I have to call out this post... srry...

First of all if some ****** just pulled my skates out like that and I went down that hard, I wouldn't be getting up too quickly either... he smacked his head off the ice pretty hard and you want to rag on him for it? Wtf? You lose all your senses for a few seconds when that happens unless your head is made out of cement.

I'm not sure what else people want out of a 38 yr old Kovy...

Do people really expect to see vintage Kovy from 10 years ago?

He made a number of excellent passes; cycled the puck well; made good decisions with the puck; backchecked hard; didn't take any of his patented lazy stick penalties

If you are looking for him to fly up and down the ice dazzling the crowd at this age, you are of course going to be sorely disappointed every game.

The expectations for Kovy at this point in his career are way too unrealistic.
This. And I did notice Kovy back checking and being the first forward back at times. He got physical, especially with Malone in front of the net that time they both got penalties and he went down HARD on that trip. I wouldn't expect any player whether 38 or 18 to pop back up after that.

I was fine with Kovalev's effort in this game. He didn't look lazy to me at all.

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Brooks Orpik took Stamkos' head out of the game immediately. It's plays like those as to why many were against trading him in those threads before where people deemed him expendable.

I thought Neal was playing like a playoff Penguin tonight. He was just a bowling ball. When it starts clicking for this guy, he's going to be so much fun to watch.

Agree on both counts. That's why I was freaking out a bit the summer Brooks was a FA, because it wasn't clear he was going to be re-signed and you can't replace guys like that very easily. Anyone can put a hit down but the authority with which Orpik lays people out makes them more tentative / mental afterward IMO. You can't take a hit like that and not be reactive to it. After that hit Stamkos is thinking about the next hit or not letting the hit bother him, or hitting someone else to prove it didn't bother him... everything except what he should be thinking about. Orpik can make good offensive players mental, IMO. Hope he retires a Penguin. Despite all the great D there's still no one on our team or in our system who is comparable in style (Desres included), and his skating has really improved the last couple years. You can tell even as an established guy, he works on his game every year. I love that.

As for Neal he was doing what he always does out there, creating offensive opportunities, smacking people around, etc. The one thing I hope he does this summer, is work with that woman (or someone similar) who is the NHL power-skating specialist who does the video and stride analysis on computer. He stands too upright when trying to build up speed IMO, not a lot of efficiency of motion. Lots of wheel spinning that is not translating to speed.

If he could improve his skating posture and first burst, it would help him to take longer shifts when he needs to and help him carry his momentum through the play. Despite lack of goals, which I agree will not be a problem once we have a full lineup, I think his weakest edge is his skating technique. It's not even that he's slow or not mobile (he has pretty good speed and mobility for a big guy), it's just those first few strides when he's changing direction and trying to build up speed. A little bit of coaching would go a long way with him IMO.


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The problem i had with Staal was that he wasn't even putting his scoring chances on net. Its one thing if Roloson robs you, like he did many of our scorers, but Staal can't even get there. Hes an offensively inept as he is defensively gifted. I think he can do better.
This is just false. Roloson stoned him point blank on a one timer and he hit 2 posts by my count.

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Kovy's shortcomings are more glaring when he isn't insulated by a good center.

Right now, you have a third line center playing first line, and he's the buffer between Kovy and Neal. That's not so good.

However, put Crosby in that spot (yes, I get Crosby makes everyone look good) and you wouldn't notice anything "bad" about Kovalev. The way they were buzzing last night, that line would have scored 3 or 4 goals with a legit first line center.

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Don't be fooled by the goal that Asham scored. Adams and Asham played solid, but Rupp was awful last night. I can remember at least two or three occasions where I was nervous with this group on the ice because Tampa's 4th line has a lot of speed. I worry about this line matching up against Tampa's 1 or 2 when we head there...

*** What did everyone think of Rupp's performance last night? I think it is getting overlooked with so many positives from last night.
Rupp is a 4th liner who was playing 4th line minutes. Not really sure what you are/were expecting from him. I thought the 4th line as a whole did a pretty damn good job last night...

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I have to call out this post... srry...

First of all if some ****** just pulled my skates out like that and I went down that hard, I wouldn't be getting up too quickly either... he smacked his head off the ice pretty hard and you want to rag on him for it? Wtf? You lose all your senses for a few seconds when that happens unless your head is made out of cement.
Your right. I just saw the replay again and he does. In that play Kovalev is justified getting up that slow.

I don't think I'm asking too much for Kovy to skate however. I'm not asking him to put up big numbers. I also saw quite a few instances of him backchecking slow. On one he was the first man back and took 2 strides between the red line and blue line. I don't think it's ridiculous to ask for extra hustle from Kovy come playoffs. You wouldn't see this out of someone like Recchi and I hate him. I don't hate Kovy.

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This. And I did notice Kovy back checking and being the first forward back at times. He got physical, especially with Malone in front of the net that time they both got penalties and he went down HARD on that trip. I wouldn't expect any player whether 38 or 18 to pop back up after that.

I was fine with Kovalev's effort in this game. He didn't look lazy to me at all.
Ironically, I found his laziness showed in the offensive zone. I agree he was putting in quite a bit of effort on the backcheck and defensively. In the offensive zone though he just comes off as a massive floater who holds onto the puck for way too long whenever he has it.

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Another thing I'd like to add is that even if Neal isn't putting up goals, the guy is still an absolute beast at in all areas of the ice. He was our most devastating forechecker last ngiht, pretty much hitting everything in sight, and it appeared as though the Tampa Bay blue liners were becoming somewhat weary of this. He pretty much looked like a one-man recking crew out there on that goal that Kovy scored, as he didn't stop battling and chasing down the pucks. He's also an absolute monster whenever he's got the puck below the goal-line. I'm so psyched that we got this kid!!!

As for Orpik, you can tell that that hit on Stamkos really took him out of the game mentally and might've rattled him a bit. He was pretty much invisible the entire game (probably playoff jitters). If anything, Lecavalier looked to be Tampa's most dangerous player whenever he had the puck int he offensive zone. As long as we can keep rattling Stamkos, and contain St. Louis, I think we'll be just fine.

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Congrats on the win. Amazed by the Pens this year.
If Bylsma doesn't win the Jack Adams, then I don't know what to think.

I used to hope for a Canucks-Pens final.
But, seeing how this team has come together, I reckon a healthy Sid would put the Pens
way over the top. So....hmm. Go Bolts?

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