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WCQF | Game 2 | Phoenix Coyotes @ Detroit Red Wings | 1:00 PM EDT | CBC, NBC |

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04-16-2011, 02:57 PM
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Only Salei seeing less ice time than Lidas for the second game in a row. You think he has a nagging groin or something, or is just being "rest" for later use? It's not like he's looking bad out there or anything, just seems strange.
He just can't play 30mins..not 28mins...not 26mins...not 24mins... Lidstroms new standard is 19-20mins..like a forward...

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04-16-2011, 02:58 PM
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This is where the Wings start coasting and let the Yotes back in the game, right?
I hate that mentality.

"We've been slaughtering the opposition, we'd better change the way we play!"

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04-16-2011, 02:58 PM
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If the Wings don't win, this isn't the refs fault. They committed HORRIBLE penalties.
Helms "penalty" wasnt one.
Franzen cross checking should have been a 4 o 4 both gone for Crosschecking...
IF it was 4 o 4, that 5 o 3 wouldn't have happened...

They shouldn't have been penalties in the first place

The refs have been brutal all season/playoff long.

The Wings gave up... pretty much they ROCKED the 1st, and a bit in the 2nd... then gave up in the 3rd, they barely got by.

They Wings need to play a full 60min of hockey... not 30min

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Man just saw the goals, two of them were off pretty bad Howard rebounds?

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No minus players for detroit, 3 powerplay goals for phoenix, so much for that talked about "great penalty kill" by detroit.. killed all 6 last game and now 3 goals allowed...ouch

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04-16-2011, 03:00 PM
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Also this is a nationally featured game on NBC. Nobody wants to see a dominating snoozefest for 1 team. Ratings.

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04-16-2011, 03:03 PM
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I don't think this is something to build on if you're the Yotes...Detroit just started to take dumb penalties and the refs were more than happy to try to make this a game. At even strength Phoenix was still outclassed, even though they were a bit better in the 3rd. Some of those calls though...wow. Franzen shouldn't have returned...his mind was on retribution the whole time and not hockey. Maybe that hit had him thinking he was Marty Lapointe. I though the Flip-Datsyuk-Homer line was pure magic...best I've seen since Z-D-H 3-4 years ago.

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04-16-2011, 03:05 PM
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I don't understand why defensemen choose to eat it behind the goal line with 5 seconds left. ICE IT.
Less risk of a turnover. ANY coach worth his salt will preach that play to their players. If you are not 200% sure you can get it out do not try it. Hold it.

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04-16-2011, 03:06 PM
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Reffing was awful, but It's not like the Wings didn't get their fair share of breaks. Wings won, and thats all that matters. Wings are still missing their second best player after what Datsyuk did today.

Salei and Ericcson are pylons. Stuart should have reacted faster on that Doan goal.

As for momentum.......not seeing it. Only way Phoenix was able to come back was because Detroit played like garbage. Phoenix never outplayed the Wings when they were on.

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04-16-2011, 03:11 PM
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Not too concerned with that almost-comeback. Phoenix was gifted some powerplays. Wings are clearly the better team.

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I actually thought that E did a good job. His positioning was good and when he did pinch in he had support from the forwards.

Now he was not the best D man on the ice by any stretch but he was decent.

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04-16-2011, 03:12 PM
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I don't think this is something to build on if you're the Yotes...Detroit just started to take dumb penalties and the refs were more than happy to try to make this a game. At even strength Phoenix was still outclassed, even though they were a bit better in the 3rd. Some of those calls though...wow. Franzen shouldn't have returned...his mind was on retribution the whole time and not hockey. Maybe that hit had him thinking he was Marty Lapointe. I though the Flip-Datsyuk-Homer line was pure magic...best I've seen since Z-D-H 3-4 years ago.
That line looked magic, that's true.
Good point about Franzen thinking he was LaPenalty.

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04-16-2011, 03:13 PM
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Why do the Wings only play part of a game?

Game 1, they took the first period off.

Game 2, they get a big lead, and then coast.

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04-16-2011, 03:14 PM
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i don't like the crosschecking by franzen and the interference by helm in the 3rd. both penalties were not necessary.
it's the 2nd game in a row were helm takes a stupid penalty at the wrong time. he needs to stop it.

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04-16-2011, 03:18 PM
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Babcock's thoughts: "Neither one should be a penalty." #$%^in right.

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04-16-2011, 03:19 PM
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The officiating has been awful so far in this series and it was awful throughout the duration of last year's series as well.

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04-16-2011, 03:20 PM
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I hate that mentality.

"We've been slaughtering the opposition, we'd better change the way we play!"
I really don't think the refs shafting the Wings has anything to do with the Wings' mentality.

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04-16-2011, 03:27 PM
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WTF was that game?

I see the first half of the game and we go 4-0 up. Probably our best hockey game OF THE YEAR. Datsyuk is making these puppies cry and then what? They decided to switch roles and make Doan look ****ing decent?

Let Phoenix take the dumb ass penalties. We owned them when they did that. Then surprise surprise, it's a one goal game when you play an undisciplined style of hockey and take idiotic, useless penalties.

They better shake this off, because that second half of the game was pathetic. I don't want Phoenix coming back to Detroit for a game 5. Finish 'em in the desert, guys!

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04-16-2011, 03:32 PM
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Why does Babcock insist upon breaking up a winning line combination?

He's micromanaging to our detriment.

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04-16-2011, 03:45 PM
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Helms "penalty" wasnt one.
Franzen cross checking should have been a 4 o 4 both gone for Crosschecking...
IF it was 4 o 4, that 5 o 3 wouldn't have happened...

They shouldn't have been penalties in the first place

The refs have been brutal all season/playoff long.

The Wings gave up... pretty much they ROCKED the 1st, and a bit in the 2nd... then gave up in the 3rd, they barely got by.

They Wings need to play a full 60min of hockey... not 30min
I disagree--the Wings had a good 5 quality chances the second half of that 3rd period. Shots were 10-11 in favor of Phoenix, despite 3 PP's, including 1:51 of a 5-on-3.

The difference were the 3 penalties called in a ~2 min span:

5:27 Todd Bertuzzi: 2 Minutes for Slashing Kyle Turris
6:38 Johan Franzen: 2 Minutes for Cross checking Adrian Aucoin
6:47 Darren Helm: 2 Minutes for Interference of Martin Hanzal

That's was what made it close--that's it. And, of those 3 calls, only the one on Helm was legit--however, I see that kind of stuff on face-offs a dozen times a game, with no call.

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04-16-2011, 03:49 PM
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So much talk about the Wings being the least penalized team in the NHL, yet they consistantly draw more penalties against them than their opponents.
So far this series, two games where we controlled the play the majority of the time...
two times we still have more PIMs than our opponent.
That's been failry consistant through the regular season and I doubt we'll see a single playoff game where we have more PP time than Phoenix - unless a blow-out occurs.

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04-16-2011, 03:55 PM
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That's been failry consistant through the regular season and I doubt we'll see a single playoff game where we have more PP time than Phoenix - unless a blow-out occurs.
No, it wasn't. We had 301 PP opportunities in the regular season and we were shorthanded 300 times. Two players who are seldom penalized, Flip and Helm, each have 6 PIM in the first 2 games. I'm not sure if that is likely to continue.


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So much talk about the Wings being the least penalized team in the NHL, yet they consistantly draw more penalties against them than their opponents.
So far this series, two games where we controlled the play the majority of the time...
two times we still have more PIMs than our opponent.
That's been failry consistant through the regular season and I doubt we'll see a single playoff game where we have more PP time than Phoenix - unless a blow-out occurs.
The total numbers were a little skewed due to the fighting majors. If you look at just minors taken, Detroit was #13. If you look at "times short-handed" Detroit was #18. (#30 being the most penalized.)

The number of penalties don't bother me, it's the lack of consistency. That shoulder-to-shoulder hit Helm put on Jovo happens every night in every game in the league, with no call. That "crosscheck" that Franzen had called on him, likewise. The "interference" on Filp was another gem.

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No, it wasn't. We had 301 PP opportunities in the regular season and we were shorthanded 300 times.
The least penalized team in the league is only +1 on PP opportunites vs. Shorthanded opportunities. That's a pretty telling stat.
I still challenge you to go game by game and look; we're consistantly shorthanded more often than our opponents on a game by game basis, the +1 stems from out of controll games where we get far more PP chances than our opponent.

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The least penalized team in the league is only +1 on PP opportunites vs. Shorthanded opportunities. That's a pretty telling stat.
No, it isn't. We don't have a lot of penalty minutes because we have the fewest fighting majors in the league and that skews the numbers. Last year was the first playoffs since 01-02 where we were shorthanded more often than we were on the PP. We've drawn more penalties than our opponents each of the last 4 regular seasons. Its not a consistent problem for us.

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