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04-17-2011, 05:32 AM
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Hard to say

Julien is the main reason why the Bruins are so awful right now. Kaberle is also soft as butter and he's the equivalent of Kuba: bad defensive play that leads to goals against and bad offensively which leads to less time on offense.

That team is an absolute joke. The Senators of the early 2000's were nowhere near this bad when playoff time came around. Sure they didn't get results but they were playing better than this.

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04-17-2011, 05:48 AM
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Marchand and Bergeron are the only two Bruins that look like they are playing playoff hockey, the bruins aren't mentally ready for this, they are trying hard but they don't seem to know what the game plan is besides get it to the net.

They also had no blueline presence in the O zone last night, good entries just died quickly with no safe passes back to the blueline

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04-17-2011, 08:23 AM
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The Senators of the early 2000's were nowhere near this bad when playoff time came around. Sure they didn't get results but they were playing better than this.
You have clearly forgotten 1999 and 2001.

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04-17-2011, 09:53 AM
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Hard to say

Julien is the main reason why the Bruins are so awful right now. Kaberle is also soft as butter and he's the equivalent of Kuba: bad defensive play that leads to goals against and bad offensively which leads to less time on offense.

That team is an absolute joke. The Senators of the early 2000's were nowhere near this bad when playoff time came around. Sure they didn't get results but they were playing better than this.
I've found Kaberle overrated for years. It's no surprise the Leafs didn't fall apart without him while the Bruins seem to have trouble with him. Whenever I hear Karlsson = Kaberle comparisons, I puke a little in my mouth.

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04-17-2011, 10:12 AM
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You have clearly forgotten 1999 and 2001.
2001 Senators:
Yashin 26 yo, Alfie 27, Lalime 26, Hossa 21, Havlat 19, Redden 23, Bonk 24, Rachunek 21, Phillips 22, Salo 25, Arvedsson 28, Dackell 27, White 25, Fisher 20

Bolded players were also on the 1999 Sens team two years before.

Lots of youth and inexperience.

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Some people might look at Ottawa's playoff history as a progression... of core young players making mistakes and gaining experience together.

1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, Finals, 1st

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04-17-2011, 10:33 AM
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The choking moniker is media driven....all it takes is some common sense to realize there are 30 teams in the league, 16 make the playoffs...not an easy championship to win.
This. People are quick to say 'team x choked' and not give credit to the team that's upsetting them. Montreal's system upset Pittsburgh and Washington last year, they're poised to upset Boston this year.

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04-17-2011, 10:41 AM
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This. People are quick to say 'team x choked' and not give credit to the team that's upsetting them. Montreal's system upset Pittsburgh and Washington last year, they're poised to upset Boston this year.
Boston has scored 1 goal in 2 home games and let in goals in the opening minute last night and have trailed every minute of the playoffs so far. They are choking.

Montreal is playing well but it is not domination at all, Boston is it's own worse enemy right now, that is what choking is, it's one thing to be outplayed, it's another to not play up to your ability and Boston is far from doing that. Only Marchand is playing with playoff intensity.

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04-17-2011, 11:05 AM
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The choking moniker is media driven....all it takes is some common sense to realize there are 30 teams in the league, 16 make the playoffs...not an easy championship to win.

I know there's reasons they stick with 16 teams, but if your going to play an 82 game season, it's silly to give over half the teams in the league a shot at the title.
Not if you compared it to the CFL its not silly.

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04-17-2011, 11:29 AM
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This. People are quick to say 'team x choked' and not give credit to the team that's upsetting them. Montreal's system upset Pittsburgh and Washington last year, they're poised to upset Boston this year.
Boston is allowing Montreal to dictate the play and the coaching has no way to solve it. They are all choking.

Choking = the inability to breath

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04-17-2011, 11:39 AM
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Boston has scored 1 goal in 2 home games and let in goals in the opening minute last night and have trailed every minute of the playoffs so far. They are choking.

Montreal is playing well but it is not domination at all, Boston is it's own worse enemy right now, that is what choking is, it's one thing to be outplayed, it's another to not play up to your ability and Boston is far from doing that. Only Marchand is playing with playoff intensity.
I'm not sure Boston is choking any more than Pittsburgh or Washington choked last year.

They have been dominant at times, for large portions of the games Montreal is forced to just dump the puck out of their zone. IMO Boston is too focussed on trying to intimidate, instead of playing the game. Finishing checks is a good thing, running around for big hits is causing their system to breakdown.

Regardless of how teams finish in the standings, or what the media experts have to say, there are times the credit for upsets (or the making of one) goes to the supposed underdog.

The Montreal coaching staff deserves credit for devising a game plan and convincing the players to stick to it. While it isn't pretty, or flashy, it has been very effective, and Price has been very solid.

So far in this series Martin and his staff have made the Bruins coaching look suspect, almost amateurish. While Thomas may not look like a Vezina Trophy candidate, let alone potential winner, he isn't the reason the Bruins are down 2 - 0 either.


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Boston is allowing Montreal to dictate the play and the coaching has no way to solve it. They are all choking.

Choking = the inability to breath
Sorry but you must be watching a different series. Montreal isn't dictating the play at all, they are just capitalizing on the Boston breakdowns/turnovers.

Offensively, too many of the Bruins seem too focussed on physical play and putting themselves out of position to be threats.

However I do agree with you that the Boston coaching has been suspect.

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Boston has scored 1 goal in 2 home games and let in goals in the opening minute last night and have trailed every minute of the playoffs so far. They are choking.

Montreal is playing well but it is not domination at all, Boston is it's own worse enemy right now, that is what choking is, it's one thing to be outplayed, it's another to not play up to your ability and Boston is far from doing that. Only Marchand is playing with playoff intensity.
Boston started the series really well if you ask me. They controlled game 1. Game 2 was a different story obviously because Julien/the Bruins are getting frustrated that they can't solve Montreal's defensive system. I do agree that Boston's second-guessing itself, but I think that's mostly a lack of coaching. You do have a point though.

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Boston is allowing Montreal to dictate the play and the coaching has no way to solve it. They are all choking.

Choking = the inability to breath
Montreal is not dictating the style of play. They are playing defensive hockey with both defensemen in the slot, and everybody blocking shots. Boston is being allowed free reign to do whatever they want - so far playing very physical - but the Montreal defence owns the slot. And if it's a coaching issue, how does that = they are all choking? That should mean one system is better than the other, not one team is choking under pressure.

Anyway, my basic point is that Montreal's system baffles opposing teams, and deserves more credit than it gets. Boston isn't choking any more than Pittsburgh or Washington did IMO. (then again, I don't really like the choking label anyway)

To beat Montreal's system, you can do one of two things. First, beat them up physically and use speed to force Montreal's D into chasing. Boston doesn't have enough speed to do that.

Alternatively, calm down your passing and just start cranking one-timers. Forces Montreal's D to get into lanes without setting up, which increases risk of injury and helps Boston get more shots on net. Besides that, start crashing the crease.

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04-17-2011, 12:02 PM
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Boston should start taking high slap shots and aim at the Canadiens players heads.They won't be thrilled to block shots.


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Sorry but you must be watching a different series. Montreal isn't dictating the play at all, they are just capitalizing on the Boston breakdowns/turnovers.

Offensively, too many of the Bruins seem too focussed on physical play and putting themselves out of position to be threats.

However I do agree with you that the Boston coaching has been suspect.
They are dictating the play because they are keeping Boston on the perimeter and blocking shots in the middle. The are clogging up the middle of the ice and forcing turn overs. If Boston could break the trap and get in front of Price that would be different.

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Boston should start taking high slap shots and aim at the Canadiens players heads.They won't be thrilled to black shots.
Great idea, with that strategy, Montreal in four.

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Great idea, with that strategy, Montreal in four.
If your going to lose you might as well **** em up.

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They are dictating the play because they are keeping Boston on the perimeter and blocking shots in the middle. The are clogging up the middle of the ice and forcing turn overs. If Boston could break the trap and get in front of Price that would be different.
What is stopping them from taking over the middle, Boston has the size advantage??

Boston is not being disciplined, Martin's team is, therein lies the difference.

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If your going to lose you might as well **** em up.
Figures this would be your response.

FYI the object is to win, not be stupid while losing.

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If your going to lose you might as well **** em up.
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Sorry but you must be watching a different series. Montreal isn't dictating the play at all, they are just capitalizing on the Boston breakdowns/turnovers.

Offensively, too many of the Bruins seem too focussed on physical play and putting themselves out of position to be threats.

However I do agree with you that the Boston coaching has been suspect.
Tim Thomas is a MAJOR reason why they are losing right now - of the five goals MTL has scored, three have been very, very suspect. I mean, even Brian Elliott wouldn't have kicked out rebounds that poorly.

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04-17-2011, 05:36 PM
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What is stopping them from taking over the middle, Boston has the size advantage??

Boston is not being disciplined, Martin's team is, therein lies the difference.
Boston isn't fast enough to simply skate through the neutral zone: Montreal clogs the whole thing up.

A lot of this series comes down to speed: Boston is a very slow team.

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Sorry but you must be watching a different series. Montreal isn't dictating the play at all, they are just capitalizing on the Boston breakdowns/turnovers.

Offensively, too many of the Bruins seem too focussed on physical play and putting themselves out of position to be threats.

However I do agree with you that the Boston coaching has been suspect.
This & the fact that Montreal keeps collapsing everyone in front of Price to block as many shots as possible. When they don't Price is there to stop the shots that get through & are not that difficult or dangerous. Let's not forget that it ain't over till it's over.

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In most Bruins fans opinions the biggest reason for their recent playoff debacles is Julien, he sticks to the same system, never makes adjustments and overuses washed up vets like Recchi, he is a poor playoff coach. It dosen't help that Thomas is not pulling his weight. I alwasys thought Martin's coaching held Ottawa back, I know they scored a lot of regular season goals but they still played a real defensive type system, Jacques should have cut the forwards loose, the Sens had so much talent compared to teams like the Leafs. I think Martin and Julien are almost the same coach, the only difference is Jacques has found some magic in Montreal with his goalies.

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I think this sums up Montreal so far in these playoffs, as well as last seasons playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTwZNUBhcI

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Honestly, if boston screened the net more, and didn't turn over the puck so much in their zone and the neutral zone, things would be different.

Montreal is playing a very safe/defensive game, which makes it hard for quality shots to get through. If there would be more screening, shots from the point would be hard to see, and possibly make it through.

This is the EXACT same way they played last year. Basically Montreal sits back, plays a defensive game, waits for a mistake from Boston, and benefits from that, than goes back to sitting back and playing defensively.

Boston could win this series, if they played differently. But at this rate, I don't think its going to happen.

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