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04-17-2011, 03:16 PM
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Drury in the Niedermayer role would be interesting. He's no where near the player he was. I doubt that he would want to come back and I doubt that the Sabres want him back.

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I forget when the Drury/Ottawa incident went down.. was that 05/06?

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04-17-2011, 04:24 PM
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Let the ghosts of yesteryear rest in peace. I like Drury, but I think the preoccupation with reliving the past by bringing back old players is just bad news.

Let the front office take care of ex-Sabres, but The Sabres on the ice need to look forward, not backwards.

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I forget when the Drury/Ottawa incident went down.. was that 05/06?
06/07

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I don't think Drury coming back would be good for the lockerroom. Gaustad, Vanek, and Pominville are finally stepping up and being leaders. The last thing they need is Drury to come in and try to take over the lockerroom and/or give them an excuse to find the shadows.

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04-17-2011, 05:20 PM
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I don't think Drury coming back would be good for the lockerroom. Gaustad, Vanek, and Pominville are finally stepping up and being leaders. The last thing they need is Drury to come in and try to take over the lockerroom and/or give them an excuse to find the shadows.
I don't think that would be the case. Drury was around when Pominville, Vanek and Gaustad were around, and he helped those players develop. I'm sure Drury would take on more of a Mike Grier type of leadership role if he came back in now. I doubt he'd "take over" as the prime leader of the team, because "prime" team leaders have to lead by example. Drury has lost all of his scoring touch, so it would be kind of hard for him to lead by example at this point.

Plus I'm sure guys like Goose, Poms and Vanek would love to have him back. And I think Drury would be a great mentor for Gerbe.

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I'd be interested in Drury for the right price. He's a versatile player with a tremendous work ethic. He'd have to be signed before he turns 35 on August 20th.
The 35+ rule can be completely ignored because the NHL addressed any birthday loopholes in the rule by using the player's age as of June 30th of the year the contract begins.
Drury will be 34 on 6/30/11, so if he was bought out and signed this offseason, no matter what the date, it's not a 35+ contract.

The rule also only applies to multi-year deals and I expect Drury's contract would not be anything so ridiculous (in terms of years or money) that it would warrant an organization to bury him.

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No. The page has been turned. There are more effective players that can be had.

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Drury was a perfect fit here, not so much on NY's haphazard roster. He would be a nice addition for the right price.

Those criticizing posters for living in the past are the people guilty of it or at least distracted by it. A hypothetical return is about his faceoff ability, leadership, and having players like Grier and Niedermayer as pending UFAs. That's it.

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Drury was a perfect fit here, not so much on NY's haphazard roster. He would be a nice addition for the right price.

Those criticizing posters for living in the past are the people guilty of it or at least distracted by it. A hypothetical return is about his faceoff ability, leadership, and having players like Grier and Niedermayer as pending UFAs. That's it.
Right. No one who wants him back thinks he will be a 30 goal scorer like he was here.

And Drury is actually one of the better centers available in FA this year (if he is bought out which is the basic assumption in this thread), it's a really weak class. You have Richards, Connolly, Glencross, Drury, J. Jokinen, Morrison, Belanger, Arnott, Handzus, Halpern. And several of them might get re-signed.

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I'd be content with Roy/Connolly/Goose/Drury down the middle. I think we'd need to sign another Ellis type to a 2-way deal because I wouldn't want to count on Connolly/Drury to stay healthy, but I think that'd give us 4 defensively responsible centers who aren't terrible offensively.

Honestly, I can't believe there are people here who wouldn't bring Drury back at the right price to fill Niedermeyer's role next year. I mean, do you really think he's worse than Nieds at this point?

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I'd be content with Roy/Connolly/Goose/Drury down the middle.
Really? How does that center group get this team any closer to being a contender? It's pretty much the same guys we had in 2007 - except for the best one. And now 2 of them (Connolly and Drury) are significantly worse hockey players. Oh, and we have no idea how Roy will perform when he comes back.

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Honestly, I can't believe there are people here who wouldn't bring Drury back at the right price to fill Niedermeyer's role next year. I mean, do you really think he's worse than Nieds at this point?
Or - how about we get a new top six center to replace Connolly, and another 3rd line center to either play on the 4th line or play in Gaustad's spot? Injuries happen - as we've seen this year. We need more depth - at least 5 guys that can competently play centerc, not just 4 centers with wingers for backup.

I'd like to see us improve at center next year, and I don't think Drury is an upgrade.

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Drury doesn't belong in the top 6 anymore and Goose is a better option for the 3rd line.
True - but since Drury was never a great playmaker or passer, would he be a good winger to put on Gaustad's line with Gerbe? He did afterall begin his playing career in Colorado as a winger. Hard for me to say because I'm a Kaleta fan that's lobbied for a long time to see him on the 3rd line permanently.

Still, it's hard to just dismiss the intangibles that Drury brings, just as it is was with Grier.

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I'd be content with Roy/Connolly/Goose/Drury down the middle. I think we'd need to sign another Ellis type to a 2-way deal because I wouldn't want to count on Connolly/Drury to stay healthy, but I think that'd give us 4 defensively responsible centers who aren't terrible offensively.
If a top scoring center can't be had this summer and Regier is going to once again torture us with more Connolly contracts, then bringing in Drury in a support role would partially ease the disappointment IMO. It's not the ideal solution though.

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Honestly, I can't believe there are people here who wouldn't bring Drury back at the right price to fill Niedermeyer's role next year. I mean, do you really think he's worse than Nieds at this point?
Great point

Unfortunately, many that don't like the premise are hung up on the way Drury left, his inflated contract with NY and the injuries he's suffered.

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Drury was a perfect fit here, not so much on NY's haphazard roster. He would be a nice addition for the right price.

Those criticizing posters for living in the past are the people guilty of it or at least distracted by it. A hypothetical return is about his faceoff ability, leadership, and having players like Grier and Niedermayer as pending UFAs. That's it.
The advocates of Drury will point to history and cite his proven leadership, work ethic and overall character, no matter which team he played for.

The critics of Drury will point to history and cite the way he "abandoned" Buffalo, signed an inflated contract and suffered some tough injuries recently.

The critics blame the advocates of "living in the past" yet often resort to the same tactics to defend a different perspective - and vice versa.

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I don't think Drury coming back would be good for the lockerroom. Gaustad, Vanek, and Pominville are finally stepping up and being leaders. The last thing they need is Drury to come in and try to take over the lockerroom and/or give them an excuse to find the shadows.
While I don't see Drury ever "taking over" any situation if not asked, I think you raise a valid point that Gaustad and Vanek especially have finally stepped up and seized the leadership roles they were so willing in the past to let others take on.

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Really? How does that center group get this team any closer to being a contender? It's pretty much the same guys we had in 2007 - except for the best one. And now 2 of them (Connolly and Drury) are significantly worse hockey players. Oh, and we have no idea how Roy will perform when he comes back.



Or - how about we get a new top six center to replace Connolly, and another 3rd line center to either play on the 4th line or play in Gaustad's spot? Injuries happen - as we've seen this year. We need more depth - at least 5 guys that can competently play centerc, not just 4 centers with wingers for backup.

I'd like to see us improve at center next year, and I don't think Drury is an upgrade.
Unless we grab Richards, there aren't any real upgrades over Connolly at center in the FA market (unless we're going to give up a bunch of picks for an RFA that we're not likely to get anyways).

You can't just get a top-6 center for nothing. Maybe we trade Stafford for someone, but what're the real odds of that happening? Even then, we're one of the top teams in the league during the second half of the season, without Roy and Hecht for long stretches.

Our play the last half of the season was carried by our wingers and defensemen. That's the difference between 2007 and now. Why would you change what's been working? I think we can get better at center, but I don't know if I'd be willing to give up an arm and a leg to do it.

We could definitely get by relying on our wingers (Vanek, Stafford, Ennis, Boyes and Pommerz) for scoring as long as we have decent, two-way centers in between them.

Imagine this for next season:

Vanek-Connolly-Pominville
Hecht-Roy-Stafford
Ennis-Drury-Boyes
Gerbe-Goose-Kaleta/McCormick

With Adam, Foligno, Kassian and Tropp pushing from Portland.

That's an incredibly deep forward group and it would allow us to upgrade our defense over the offseason.

And I acknowledged a need for depth in my original post. If you're going to respond to someone, you probably shouldn't ignore what they wrote.


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Imagine this for next season:

Vanek-Connolly-Pominville
Ennis-Roy-Stafford
Hecht-Drury-Boyes
Gerbe-Goose-Kaleta

That's an incredibly deep forward group and it would allow us to upgrade our defense over the offseason.

And I acknowledged a need for depth in my original post. If you're going to respond to someone, you probably shouldn't ignore what they wrote.
You can't seriously be advocating cutting McCormick off the roster....?

And putting Boyes with two defensive-minded players like Hecht and Drury would undercut his effectiveness and what his role should be.

On paper, yes, there aren't a lot of "talented" or "offensive" centers that are blatantly available - but I'm a believer in the argument that many have made that Connolly has been a bad influence in the culture of the team for too long through his poor and inconsistent work ethic and unwillingness to compete when things get tough. Yes, he's been playing better in the past month or so but he's had may other strong runs in the past that ultimately get followed by longer periods of invisibility - a hot streak shouldn't be mistaken for him turning the corner or being any different next year IMO.

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You can't seriously be advocating cutting McCormick off the roster....?

And putting Boyes with two defensive-minded players like Hecht and Drury would undercut his effectiveness and what his role should be.

On paper, yes, there aren't a lot of "talented" or "offensive" centers that are blatantly available - but I'm a believer in the argument that many have made that Connolly has been a bad influence in the culture of the team for too long through his poor and inconsistent work ethic and unwillingness to compete when things get tough. Yes, he's been playing better in the past month or so but he's had may other strong runs in the past that ultimately get followed by longer periods of invisibility - a hot streak shouldn't be mistaken for him turning the corner or being any different next year IMO.
Wow, can't believe I forgot McCormick. I knew something was wrong. I IN NO WAY ADVOCATE LEAVING HIM OFF THE ROSTER. lol.

And I don't know what you mean about Boyes. Hecht and Drury are definitely more defensive minded, but I don't think that line would hurt Boyes at all. It's not like they're Grier & Niedermeyer.

As for Connolly, I don't think he's the cancer we all (myself included) want him to be. I find it hard to believe a guy who kills penalties as well as he does could be disliked in the locker room. I don't think he's the answer, but I'd take him back at 3rd line C money for a year or two.

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Vanek-Connolly-Pominville
Hecht-Roy-Stafford
Ennis-Drury-Boyes
Gerbe-Goose-Kaleta

That's an incredibly deep forward group and it would allow us to upgrade our defense over the offseason.

And I acknowledged a need for depth in my original post. If you're going to respond to someone, you probably shouldn't ignore what they wrote.
I don't think that's an upgrade over this year, at all. The team has played a lot better since Pegula took over - but is that a lasting change? Or a short-term mental boost? If we're looking to win a cup in a 3 year time scale, I don't think an offseason where we re-sign Connolly and bring back an older, broken, and bought-out Drury is a successful one.

You might have acknowledged a need for depth - but I don't see how those lines have more depth in any meaningful way over what we have now. That Ennis-Drury-Boyes line is just a collection of spare parts.

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I don't think he's the answer, but I'd take him back at 3rd line C money for a year or two.
So we sign him for 3rd line C money - and then play him with our two highest paid wingers in the top six, as our de facto 1st line center?

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I don't think that's an upgrade over this year, at all. The team has played a lot better since Pegula took over - but is that a lasting change? Or a short-term mental boost? If we're looking to win a cup in a 3 year time scale, I don't think an offseason where we re-sign Connolly and bring back an older, broken, and bought-out Drury is a successful one.

You might have acknowledged a need for depth - but I don't see how those lines have more depth in any meaningful way over what we have now. That Ennis-Drury-Boyes line is just a collection of spare parts.
Spare parts?

A healthy Drury would be able to make up for Ennis' defensive lapses and Boyes is a 20 goal scorer.

I don't necessarily think it makes us a contender, but it'd keep us competitive without giving much up in terms of prospects/cap room while we wait for Adam/Foligno/Kassian, who should be contributors to a future Cup run if we follow the "three year plan."

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So we sign him for 3rd line C money - and then play him with our two highest paid wingers in the top six, as our de facto 1st line center?
We roll four lines and have since Lindy's been at the helm. I highly doubt we start feeding anybody 25 minutes a game, regardless of who we bring in.

"1st line" is just a term. Hell, Gerbe-Goose-Kaleta start most games for us, but I doubt you'd call them our 1st line.

We haven't had a first line and won't have a definitive one as long as Lindy's here.


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For the right price, I wouldn't mind having him back. But I doubt he'll ever want to come back here.

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