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04-17-2011, 10:22 PM
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How does our "Core" stack up against other teams? (Not very well)

IMO, I think our core is very mediocre when compared to the other NHL teams.

Here's an exercise: Which of these cores would you take over ours (Keith, Seabrook, Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp)

Anaheim (Fowler, Visnovsky, Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, Hiller)
Detroit (Kronwall, Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg)
Los Angeles (Doughty, Williams, Kopitar, Brown, Quick)
Nashville (Weber, Suter, Erat, Hornqvist, Rinne)
Phoenix (Yandle, Doan, Hanzal, Vrbata, Bryzgalov)
San Jose (Boyle, Thornton, Clowe, Marleau, Pavelski)
St. Louis (Backes, Steen, Stewart, Berglund, Halak)
Vancouver (Edler, Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Burrows)

Boston (Chara, Horton, Lucic, Seguin, Marchand)
Montreal (Subban, Plekanec, Gomez, Gionta, Price)
New Jersey (Elias, Parise, Zajac, Kovalchuk)
Philly (Richards, Briere, Carter, Giroux, Leino, Timonen)
Pittsburgh (Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Letang, Fleury)
Tamba Bay (Hedman, Lecavalier, St. Louis, Stamkos)
Washington (Green, Carlson, Backstrom, Ovechkin, Semin)

Now this was a quick list off the top of my head, so some of the cores might not be 100% accurate. But going off that list, the only teams that I would take our core over would be:

New Jersey, Nashville, Phoenix, Montreal, and possibly St. Louis.

So out of those 15 teams, I'd rank our core as 10, which is pretty mediocre.

Give me your opinions.


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04-17-2011, 10:24 PM
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Holy overreaction batman!

Our core is fine ,, There is no depth on this team

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Go cheer for another team.

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How many of those teams play with the same line makeup every game? I think part of our probles is our lines change almost every damn game and these lines have no chance to gel or develop any kind of chemistry.

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The fact you put Handzus in LA's list of core is pretty funny

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04-17-2011, 10:29 PM
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Yeah I don't agree with you.

I think there's some chemistry issues. Our defense is unbalanced and needs one less PMD and one very physical SAH defensemen to replace the PMD.

I think due to the salary cap mess and the bonus penalties to this year's cap, that the Hawks have been left alarmingly thin and didn't have the depth to withstand the injuries they have taken. And those injuries will come every year, so the Hawks need to get better depth going forward starting this summer.

Remember a lot of these guys won the Cup last year, where many of the cores that you think are better have not. Yes our core players haven't stepped up in these 3 games. but it's just 3 games. Most of them stepped up pretty well in the 22 playoff games a year ago.

I feel confident in this bunch heading in to next year.

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The fact you put Handzus in LA's list of core is pretty funny
Like I said, I just did it off the top of my head. I will edit the post and welcome corrections.

This is not meant to be a flame. The 10th best core in the NHL is nothing to be ashamed of. I could very well be overreacting, but the reason we won the cup last year was because of our depth on the 3rd and 4th lines. It wasn't because our core dominated the others.

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It really depends on how good Kane and Toews become as they continue to develop.

Within the Central the only team that rivals the Hawks is Detroit and if Kane and Toews reach their potential then the Hawks core is probably better.

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Like I said, I just did it off the top of my head. I will edit the post and welcome corrections.

This is not meant to be a flame. The 10th best core in the NHL is nothing to be ashamed of. I could very well be overreacting, but the reason we won the cup last year was because of our depth on the 3rd and 4th lines. It wasn't because our core dominated the others.
The depth carried us in the playoffs last year, but we were the No. 2 seed because of the core.

Assuming Keith regains form, it is way better than merely 10th.

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It's one of the best cores in the league.

They had no support this year.

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It's one of the best cores in the league.

They had no support this year.
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Core is too big with some too expensive players in it. We need better players in some of the secondary places like a second top six LW and C, but to get that we need to sacrifice some expensive parts of the core.

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Really hard though

Kane, Toews, Keith = Not gonna trade
Seabs = Mistake too late to fix
Hossa = Meh ,, If we move him might be best for both sides at this stage
Sharp = Our LW depth is bad enough as is with him
Hammer = No one wants him and cant trade him till 1 year exactly after offersheet

If only we could get Tallon to take his mistake (Campbell)

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Wow crazy talk over here.

It's an awesome core. There are a few other teams that are arguably as good, but it's right there with anyone else's.

The big problem is the amount of cap room taken up by someone no one has even brought up as a candidate, Brian Campbell.

That, and softness on the D, and a lack of team chemistry throughout the lineup. If guys develop together and want to play for each other, the team will be right back where it was last year.

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Core is too big with some too expensive players in it. We need better players in some of the secondary places like a second top six LW and C, but to get that we need to sacrifice some expensive parts of the core.
Well, Sharp may be gone soon...

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Wow crazy talk over here.

It's an awesome core. There are a few other teams that are arguably as good, but it's right there with anyone else's.

The big problem is the amount of cap room taken up by someone no one has even brought up as a candidate, Brian Campbell.

That, and softness on the D, and a lack of team chemistry throughout the lineup. If guys develop together and want to play for each other, the team will be right back where it was last year.
Campbell is unmovable (Thanks to Tallon contract + NTC)

So no reason to bring him up in these talks most of the time as he has no real possiblity of being moved

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Wow crazy talk over here.

It's an awesome core. There are a few other teams that are arguably as good, but it's right there with anyone else's.

The big problem is the amount of cap room taken up by someone no one has even brought up as a candidate, Brian Campbell.

That, and softness on the D, and a lack of team chemistry throughout the lineup. If guys develop together and want to play for each other, the team will be right back where it was last year.


Agreed with Campbell sucking up too much of the team's cap space.

And The top forwards are dead tired you can see it from their body language. Hawks went with 2 lines in the first two games so I canít really blame them.

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Really hard though

Kane, Toews, Keith = Not gonna trade
Seabs = Mistake too late to fix
Hossa = Meh ,, If we move him might be best for both sides at this stage
Sharp = Our LW depth is bad enough as is with him
Hammer = No one wants him and cant trade him till 1 year exactly after offersheet
If only we could get Tallon to take his mistake (Campbell)
Looking at this series, Seabs was certainly not a mistake. His caphit is maybe, maybe 500K to high, not that 500K makes a big difference.

Second, lots of teams would love Hjalmarsson. How many top 4, stanley cup winning, young Dmen are there? Not many. Not only that, but it was commonly believed, before this season that Hjalmarsson was the third best Dman on this team. It's been a down year for the D in general, he'll bounce back.

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Campbell is unmovable (Thanks to Tallon contract + NTC)

So no reason to bring him up in these talks most of the time as he has no real possiblity of being moved
I don't 100% agree with that. The Hawks might be able to move him if they add the right sweetener. Maybe. I don't know.

It really depends on who the 8 teams on his list will be, and/or if he might be willing to accept a trade outside of those teams. Reports were that he wasn't willing to last year, but maybe he would change his mind this time? It's not like they will be coming off a Cup win this time around.

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Yeah I don't know where the other teams wouldn't want Hammer thing comes from? I guess we don't know for sure, but I bet he could be moved easily after the year is up.

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Core is too big with some too expensive players in it. We need better players in some of the secondary places like a second top six LW and C, but to get that we need to sacrifice some expensive parts of the core.
Right, and as bad as the secondary players have been this year, tonight the Hawks played without 3 of them. Depth problems couples with injuries does not make for a successful playoff run.

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Looking at this series, Seabs was certainly not a mistake. His caphit is maybe, maybe 500K to high, not that 500K makes a big difference.

Second, lots of teams would love Hjalmarsson. How many top 4, stanley cup winning, young Dmen are there? Not many. Not only that, but it was commonly believed, before this season that Hjalmarsson was the third best Dman on this team. It's been a down year for the D in general, he'll bounce back.
By mistake I mean the cap hit he got (I would say 600k too much)

Problem with Hammer is we cant trade him into July so we will have trouble signing guys on July 1st to fix bottom 6 because his salary is there

And at 3.5 mil he is overpaid

I would prefer to keep Hammer but we gotta move some contract to open up more room because we cant rebuild bottom 6 with this much money tied into our D

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This is a bit extreme. Next year when a good chunk of money opens up we're going to see a different team.

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By mistake I mean the cap hit he got (I would say 600k too much)

Problem with Hammer is we cant trade him into July so we will have trouble signing guys on July 1st to fix bottom 6 because his salary is there

And at 3.5 mil he is overpaid

I would prefer to keep Hammer but we gotta move some contract to open up more room because we cant rebuild bottom 6 with this much money tied into our D
Eh, you get the summer cushion for things like that. The Hawks could work out a deal in advance and just wait for the appropriate tuime to commence the trade.

I think we should trade him to Edmonton as punishment for signing with the Sharks lol

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Eh, you get the summer cushion for things like that. The Hawks could work out a deal in advance and just wait for the appropriate tuime to commence the trade.
Dont forget we have Huet again until he can find a Swiss club or be reassigned to AHL eating up 5.675 mil of our cap this summer

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