I've never even met Surge but TBH he seems like the kind of guy that lets his agent completely run the show. This whole situation (minus a championship of course) reminds me of Khabi years ago. Have a great playoff run and all of a sudden you've got dollar signs in your eyes in the summer.
By the way, what about Ville Leino? Of course Philly has other options to free up cap space for Bryzgalov (let Zherdev walk, trade Versteeg, etc) but that aside, Leino is a UFA and would be a great match on our team, IMO. Thoughts? Too expensive (probably more than $2.5m)?
By the way, what about Ville Leino? Of course Philly has other options to free up cap space for Bryzgalov (let Zherdev walk, trade Versteeg, etc) but that aside, Leino is a UFA and would be a great match on our team, IMO. Thoughts? Too expensive (probably more than $2.5m)?
No way Leino gets that much.
Where is everybody getting the idea that one season of 50-ish points = 2m+?
If Surge can't be signed, Leino might be a replacement.
By the way, what about Ville Leino? Of course Philly has other options to free up cap space for Bryzgalov (let Zherdev walk, trade Versteeg, etc) but that aside, Leino is a UFA and would be a great match on our team, IMO. Thoughts? Too expensive (probably more than $2.5m)?
Leino would be great, would sign him for 2-2.5 per year
Leino won't come any cheaper than Bergenheim, and I really don't think we need either of them anyways. The latter seems like he'll go where there's the most money, and I've got no problem with that.
Downie-Stamkos-St. Louis
Lecavalier-Richards-Malone
Tyrell-Moore-Purcell
Prospect/Asham/Hall-Thompson-Jones
I think the above roster is similar to what we'll see next season. Asham is a preference of mine obviously, but we definitely have the ability to pull something like this off. I could see Clark being dealt as soon as the draft, and then we'd fill that spot with a slightly better FA. On the other hand, he was worth every penny last season and I wouldn't be surprised if he stuck around.
All signs point to $8-9 Million. Crosby after his first 3 years got 9, same with Ovechkin.
Well lets say that this is true (for fun and spit-balling), what kind of situation does this put SFY in? If indeed this is the kind of contract the Stamkos camp is looking for does SFY look at trade options at the draft?
Now i highly doubt Stamkos is THAT guy, you know the one who hand-cuffs his team out of Cup contention for years to come, but for fun what do you folks think?
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd have no problems dealing Stamkos if the package was right. There is a number that is just beyond what I'd be willing to give him, especially for the Stamkos we seen post all-star break. There were fewer question marks surrounding Vinny when he signed his massive contract than what is surrounding Stamkos.
People say he should get what Crosby and Ovechkin are making. I wonder if these same people think that he has the same value as Crosby and Ovechkin in a trade. I doubt it, most of these people are just doomsayers who would wish ill upon our team or dismissable northerners hoping for another mass exodus of talent like what happened during our post cup years.
There were fewer question marks surrounding Vinny when he signed his massive contract than what is surrounding Stamkos.
I don't know about that. Vinny signed his deal in 08 when he had a great first half and was considered a strong MVP candidate. Then his wrist bothered him, had a second half that wasn't as good, and the Cooke hit happened so he had to have a shoulder surgery. That didn't allow him to get the wrist surgery he needed. The two years before their contract signings are pretty similar with Vinny being injured at the end of his stretch.
I don't know about that. Vinny signed his deal in 08 when he had a great first half and was considered a strong MVP candidate. Then his wrist bothered him, had a second half that wasn't as good, and the Cooke hit happened so he had to have a shoulder surgery. That didn't allow him to get the wrist surgery he needed. The two years before their contract signings are pretty similar with Vinny being injured at the end of his stretch.
I can agree with this train of thought to an extent Vinny in the 06-08 seasons and Stamkos 09-11. Out of those two Vinny has the edge everytime. So if Stamkos wants to be paid according to that, its fine with me, around $7 million.
I still think Vinny should be the highest paid player on this team.
I don't know about that. Vinny signed his deal in 08 when he had a great first half and was considered a strong MVP candidate. Then his wrist bothered him, had a second half that wasn't as good, and the Cooke hit happened so he had to have a shoulder surgery. That didn't allow him to get the wrist surgery he needed. The two years before their contract signings are pretty similar with Vinny being injured at the end of his stretch.
That was the first year of the OK Corral right? Yeah.... I kinda wouldn't count that year for contract value comparison seriously.
That was the first year of the OK Corral right? Yeah.... I kinda wouldn't count that year for contract value comparison seriously.
I wasn't saying Stamkos should get a similar deal, just disputing the point that Lecavalier had less question marks than Stamkos at the time he signed his deal. Yeah he had a bad second half, but I'm not worried about locking him up to a long-term deal after watching him tear through the league for two years before he hit his slump.
I wasn't saying Stamkos should get a similar deal, just disputing the point that Lecavalier had less question marks than Stamkos at the time he signed his deal. Yeah he had a bad second half, but I'm not worried about locking him up to a long-term deal after watching him tear through the league for two years before he hit his slump.
No, you are right that Vinny had some question marks also, but Stammer's wasn't an issue with injuries. One thing that was brought up through the hockey "experts" was that when a top talent player such as Stamkos becomes limited in his success due to the opposing teams keying in on his tendencies, the sign of a potential long-term superstar is to find a way around what they are doing. Stamkos seemed to have difficulty doing that after the all-star break. At least 40% of his goals have all been on the PP and the goalies had figured him and the Lightning out as we saw on many occasions the goalies quickly moving to their right to block the incoming shot. IMO, he needs to spend a lot of time this off season and watch film and see where he can improve. He's not in the same league with Crosby and Ovechkin yet, but if he figures it out he will be. I think he should be a $6-7 mil player but I don't see Yzerman giving out a big money long-term contract like Vinny has.
No, you are right that Vinny had some question marks also, but Stammer's wasn't an issue with injuries. One thing that was brought up through the hockey "experts" was that when a top talent player such as Stamkos becomes limited in his success due to the opposing teams keying in on his tendencies, the sign of a potential long-term superstar is to find a way around what they are doing. Stamkos seemed to have difficulty doing that after the all-star break. At least 40% of his goals have all been on the PP and the goalies had figured him and the Lightning out as we saw on many occasions the goalies quickly moving to their right to block the incoming shot. IMO, he needs to spend a lot of time this off season and watch film and see where he can improve. He's not in the same league with Crosby and Ovechkin yet, but if he figures it out he will be. I think he should be a $6-7 mil player but I don't see Yzerman giving out a big money long-term contract like Vinny has.
We can't afford another Vinny contact but other teams can afford to pay Stammer $7,000,000 plus long term
We can't afford another Vinny contact but other teams can afford to pay Stammer $7,000,000 plus long term
Yeah...they probably can and would try if they get the opportunity. We may have to wait and see what they offer and whether Stevie or Stammer are interested in matching. Hopefully it won't get to that point.
