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05-31-2011, 06:42 PM
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I'm not against bringing Carle back. He was never given a fair shot (though I'm not complaining about the trade one bit) He got 12 games under Melrose and his trainwreck of a system.

That being said he still has a year on his contact and I would be against trading for and paying him almost 4 million when Brewer could be brought back at a similar term.

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I'm not against bringing Carle back. He was never given a fair shot (though I'm not complaining about the trade one bit) He got 12 games under Melrose and his trainwreck of a system.

That being said he still has a year on his contact and I would be against trading for and paying him almost 4 million when Brewer could be brought back at a similar term.
My only issue with Brewer is that he seems to have a lost a step in his skating. Very reliable in his own zone though and played a shut down role effectively with Ohlund. If we didn't have Kubina, I'd re-sign Brewer in a heartbeat. I just feel like we need some speed and offense instead of adding another shut down guy. Ehrhoff would be ideal since he's a great skater, good passer, has a booming shot, can lay the body and is solid defensively.

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I have no issue with Clark. My issue is that he's our top offensive defenseman statistically. Kubina and Brewer were relied on for their point shots on the PP, but there were no puck carriers/offensive threats on defense in even strength situations. Unless Hedman sees a huge leap in development of his offensive game, I can't see Yzerman being satisfied with the offense from the back end.
So tell me, what exactly is the problem with him being our highest point producing offensive defenseman? Brewer was brought in for his all around game and better mobility than Kubina and Ohlund, while being more physical than Lundin and Hedman. He is there to solidify the top pairing regardless of partner and he does a very good job.

We need another Brewer type and get him on a contract that possibly tails off as Victor eases into his role. Erhoff would be a great option, but I don't think we'll want to afford him.

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Also, Erhoff isn't physical at all, keep that in mind. Imagine a sturdier version of Mike Lundin with a bit more offensive aggression.

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05-31-2011, 06:53 PM
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So tell me, what exactly is the problem with him being our highest point producing offensive defenseman? Brewer was brought in for his all around game and better mobility than Kubina and Ohlund, while being more physical than Lundin and Hedman. He is there to solidify the top pairing regardless of partner and he does a very good job.

We need another Brewer type and get him on a contract that possibly tails off as Victor eases into his role. Erhoff would be a great option, but I don't think we'll want to afford him.
Brett Clark isn't a natural offensive defenseman, which is my issue. The Boston series pointed out two very distinct needs imo: 1) Toughness in the top 6 who can also put the puck in the net (Laich) and 2) A smooth skating defenseman who's an offensive threat but still solid defensively (Ehrhoff). You're correct when you say that Ehrhoff could command more than 5 mil/year though.

Stamkos is the primary puck rusher on the PP, and while he's an amazing talent, I feel as though he'd be better served finding the scoring areas for one-timers while someone else carries it up ice and feeds him the puck.

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05-31-2011, 06:58 PM
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Also, Erhoff isn't physical at all, keep that in mind. Imagine a sturdier version of Mike Lundin with a bit more offensive aggression.
That's actually an assumption that several people make who haven't seen him play enough. Ehrhoff doesn't throw big open ice hits, but is very effective in taking the body along the boards; think of a less aggressive Letang. He's also much more reliable defensively than Lundin .

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He has the same amount of hits as Hedman this year and can pin a guy, but isn't a hitter.

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Also, Erhoff isn't physical at all, keep that in mind. Imagine a sturdier version of Mike Lundin with a bit more offensive aggression.
I don't think Ehrhoff is nearly as defensively oriented. They are two completely different players if you ask me.

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05-31-2011, 08:13 PM
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This would be ideal to me.

Richards, Brad $7,800,000
Lecavalier, Vincent $7,727,273
St. Louis, Martin $5,250,000
Malone, Ryan $4,500,000
Stamkos, Steven $3,725,000
Downie, Steve $1,850,000
Moore, Dominic $1,100,000
Tyrell, Dana $845,833
Purcell, Ted $750,000
Bergenheim, Sean $700,000
Thompson, Nate $625,000
Jones, Blair $550,000
Defensemen (7)
Brewer, Eric $4,250,000
Kubina, Pavel $3,850,000
Bieksa, Kevin $3,750,000
Ohlund, Mattias $3,607,143
Hedman, Victor $3,500,000
Clark, Brett $1,500,000
Lundin, Mike $750,000
Goaltenders (2)
Roloson, Dwayne $2,500,000
Smith, Mike $2,200,000
ROSTER SIZE 21
SALARY CAP $62,300,000
CAP PAYROLL $61,330,249
CAP SPACE $969,751

Mind you that is with current contract numbers. I feel if Richards came here, the cap hit would go down by around 2M, You can put that 2M saved into a few other players being resigned with raises, Smith would be another million or so less (or a rookie or a backup signed to a 1M or less contract), I also think its possible to maybe move Clark for some extra cap space etc. And Stamkos would need a bit of a raise of about 3M.

In other words, that would be the roster but with money amounts spread out a bit differently from a few players being less and a few being more. Doesnt leave a ton of wiggle room, but would be interesting.


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05-31-2011, 08:20 PM
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This would be ideal to me.

Richards, Brad $7,800,000
Lecavalier, Vincent $7,727,273
St. Louis, Martin $5,250,000
Malone, Ryan $4,500,000
Stamkos, Steven $3,725,000
Downie, Steve $1,850,000
Moore, Dominic $1,100,000
Tyrell, Dana $845,833
Purcell, Ted $750,000
Bergenheim, Sean $700,000
Thompson, Nate $625,000
Jones, Blair $550,000
Defensemen (7)
Brewer, Eric $4,250,000
Kubina, Pavel $3,850,000
Bieksa, Kevin $3,750,000
Ohlund, Mattias $3,607,143
Hedman, Victor $3,500,000
Clark, Brett $1,500,000
Lundin, Mike $750,000
Goaltenders (2)
Roloson, Dwayne $2,500,000
Smith, Mike $2,200,000
ROSTER SIZE 21
SALARY CAP $62,300,000
CAP PAYROLL $61,330,249
CAP SPACE $969,751

Mind you that is with current contract numbers. I feel if Richards came here, the cap hit would go down by around 2M, You can put that 2M saved into a few other players being resigned with raises, Smith would be another million or so less (or a rookie or a backup signed to a 1M or less contract), I also think its possible to maybe move Clark for some extra cap space etc. And Stamkos would need a bit of a raise for about 3M.

In other words, that would be the roster but with money amounts spread out a bit differently from a few players being less and a few being more. Doesnt leave a ton of wiggle room, but would be interesting.
You have Stamkos still at 3.75. My guess 6m cap hit

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05-31-2011, 08:24 PM
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I don't think Ehrhoff is nearly as defensively oriented. They are two completely different players if you ask me.
Funny joke, Lundin's no where close to Ehrhoff defensively or offensively. Ehrhoff isn't a shut down guy but very sound in his own zone. He doesn't have the mental lapses, and also uses his body and stick more effectively. He also plays on Vancouver's 2nd PK unit, and was solid during his tenure in San Jose.

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He has the same amount of hits as Hedman this year and can pin a guy, but isn't a hitter.
Have you seen him play? I've seen a handful of games in Vancouver and seen in him the playoffs every year that San Jose/Vancouver have been there. He's not a hitter like Phaneuf/Weber/Byfuglien, but uses his speed to throw his body into opponents along the boards. You're right that he is also good at pinning guys.

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You have Stamkos still at 3.75. My guess 6m cap hit
He was assuming all contracts would stay as current numbers. Situation would have been for last year I'm guessing??

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05-31-2011, 08:27 PM
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You have Stamkos still at 3.75. My guess 6m cap hit

Read the two paragraphs under the list

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He was assuming all contracts would stay as current numbers. Situation would have been for last year I'm guessing??
No no, again read the paragraphs underneath

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05-31-2011, 08:44 PM
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Mind you that is with current contract numbers. I feel if Richards came here, the cap hit would go down by around 2M, You can put that 2M saved into a few other players being resigned with raises, Smith would be another million or so less (or a rookie or a backup signed to a 1M or less contract), I also think its possible to maybe move Clark for some extra cap space etc. And Stamkos would need a bit of a raise of about 3M.

In other words, that would be the roster but with money amounts spread out a bit differently from a few players being less and a few being more. Doesnt leave a ton of wiggle room, but would be interesting.
Ideally, we would move Kubina's contract. I think Clark's valued at the exact price he should be at, but perhaps that's why you have him as trade bait. The raises between Blair Jones, Purcell and Bergenheim would probably equal the money deducted from Richards and Smith taking pay cuts. Roloson will get a moderate raise as well, and St.Louis' contract increases marginally next season. Bieksa would almost certainly get over 4 million on the open market as well.

However, I see your point that this is a possible/idealistic scenario but too many things have to work in our favour before this work. The first being ownership allowing us to be so close to the salary cap ceiling.

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Forwards (12)

Richards, Brad $5,500,000
Lecavalier, Vincent $7,727,273
St. Louis, Martin $5,625,000
Malone, Ryan $4,500,000
Stamkos, Steven $6,500,000
Downie, Steve $1,850,000
Moore, Dominic $1,100,000
Tyrell, Dana $845,833
Purcell, Ted $2,300,000
Bergenheim, Sean $1,300,000
Thompson, Nate $900,000
Jones, Blair $650,000

Defensemen (6)
Brewer, Eric $3,500,000
Kubina, Pavel $3,850,000
Bieksa, Kevin $4,000,000
Ohlund, Mattias $3,607,143
Hedman, Victor $3,500,000
Clark, Brett $1,500,000

Goaltenders (2)
Roloson, Dwayne $2,800,000
Desjardins, Cedric $700,000

Buy-outs (2)
Prospal, Vaclav $1,166,667
Fedoruk, Todd $375,000

ROSTER SIZE 20
SALARY CAP $62,300,000
CAP PAYROLL $64,588,583
CAP SPACE ($2,288,583)

This is what it would realistically look like if we signed Richards and shored up our defense.

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05-31-2011, 11:01 PM
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Funny joke, Lundin's no where close to Ehrhoff defensively or offensively. Ehrhoff isn't a shut down guy but very sound in his own zone. He doesn't have the mental lapses, and also uses his body and stick more effectively. He also plays on Vancouver's 2nd PK unit, and was solid during his tenure in San Jose.



Have you seen him play? I've seen a handful of games in Vancouver and seen in him the playoffs every year that San Jose/Vancouver have been there. He's not a hitter like Phaneuf/Weber/Byfuglien, but uses his speed to throw his body into opponents along the boards. You're right that he is also good at pinning guys.
I wasn't trying to compare the two players in terms of skillsets, but there is zero question that Lundin is a defensively oriented player and in no way similar to Ehrhoff. They are obviously on different levels, but I would not consider Ehrhoff a defensive defenseman like Lundin. I also think Ehrhoff's defense is a little overrated, but that's an argument for another day. He's a player I'd love to have on the Lightning.

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Should be another interesting Summer from Yzerman and co. My predictions:

Stamkos: Be resigned and for a reasonable but fair number. The talk of him going anywhere else is laughable.

Bergenheim: 2 things are possible with him. He either resigns with TB for a raise over what he had before. Or he signs with another team for being way overpaid.

Brewer: Same could be said for him. I think he comes back though. Just a hunch.

Gagne: I see him going back to Philly to retire, although he could come back. He did waive his NTC to come here.

Roli: I think he gets brought back on a 1 year deal. I also think we sign another goalie.

Possible FA signings:

We go for defense this offseason with a slight chance at getting Richards back as well. I think players will want to come play here for a few reasons. No state tax. SFY and Boucher. 3 legit reasons why Tampa is a free agent dream destination. Oh and we almost made it to the Cup Finals. I think some players will pay a little money to purchase a ticket for a chance to get their name on the cup. Its what they dream for as kids right? I dunno, just my thoughts.

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06-01-2011, 05:58 AM
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What does everyone think about maybe making a trade for Bogosian? I think he could be available and I think he would flourish in our system and be a great puck moving dman that is solid on defense as well.

Not sure what it would take to get him, probably a decent amount, but its just a thought.

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What I want to see:
Re-sign the obvious Rfa guys..purcell and stamkos.
Make offers to richards, ehrhoff, and bieksa for fair value
Trade for bernier
Use clark and purcell as trade bait for deals or to acquire picks
Re-sign Brewer, gagne, lundin, and roloson as secondary options.

As for bogosian, I'm not sure the reward of developing is worth the risk considering the assets I have heard being asked for.

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Do you guys think there is even the slightest chance Bieksa would leave Vancouver? Quite a few of the Canucks fans I've talked to say that the talk from him is that he wants to settle in Vancouver for a long time.

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Do you guys think there is even the slightest chance Bieksa would leave Vancouver? Quite a few of the Canucks fans I've talked to say that the talk from him is that he wants to settle in Vancouver for a long time.
of course they are going to say that.

My prediction. Bieksa wins the Cup this year. Wants a repeat, moves to a team with a chance.. i.e. Tampa.

Besides who can say no to SFY?

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I don't want to pay him what he wants off one good season and a rash of injuries.

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