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04-19-2011, 11:07 AM
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Couture named Calder finalist

Skinner, Grabner and Couture the three finalists for ROTY.

Congrats!!

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East Coast Bias says Skinner gets it. But give the Biebs a chance!

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My heart says Logan, but my love for the team's capspace next season says Skinner.

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Yeah, baby Skinner will probably get it since he's apparently adorable. Good for cap space though

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LoCo's going to win the Calder. WOO HOO

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Skinner deserves it... unless Couture wins the Conn Smythe and that will affect the votes as much as the age, even though it shouldn't.

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Skinner deserves it... unless Couture wins the Conn Smythe and that will affect the votes as much as the age, even though it shouldn't.
Playoff performance will have no impact. Voting completed immediately after regular season end (for all "post season" media-voted hardware).


(The only playoff performance trophies include Prince of Wales, Clarence Campbell, Conn Smythe and Stanley).

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what exactly is the cap impact of him winning? A couple hundred grand at most? Big deal.

I want him to win to get some recognition for an awesome season. Chances are that east coast bias and "he's 18!" is going to give it to Skinner.

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Even if he is still technically considered a rookie... the fact that Loco was around for last years playoffs seems weird to me.

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Couture deserves this award, but Skinner also does.

tough competition all year from these two.. and for the last few months from Grabs. Congratz on 2nd place, Juicy.

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http://sharks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=560232

NHL announcement. (All three scored 30+ goals)

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If Sedin getting the Hart over Crosby and Ovechkin last year taught me anything it's that voters think getting lots of points is more important than defensive play or actually producing more offensively. Skinner will probably win.

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If Sedin getting the Hart over Crosby and Ovechkin last year taught me anything it's that voters think getting lots of points is more important than defensive play or actually producing more offensively. Skinner will probably win.
Yep, it's idiotic. Carlson deserves a nomination more than Grabner does. I hope I don't get flamed on here for this but I honestly think Carlson may deserve the Calder outright. He was the No. 1 defenseman (tops in QualComp, +21, 22 minutes a game) on the best team in the Eastern Conference. I think that's at least a little more impressive than what Couture accomplished although they're both Calder-worthy. Grabner scored a bunch of goals in what were completely meaningless games for the Islanders. Big whoop.

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Skinner wins because most writers were deep into three glasses of scotch to watch Logan play.

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could careless if he wins...

dont care at all about rookie awards in any sport... do love couture...

also anyone know what the cap implications are if he wins... i would rather give it to skinner if its a decent amount...

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Just to play a little devils advocate for Grabner, he got nearly all of his goals except for maybe two during even strength and short handed play, and wasn't really given any powerplay time, unlike Couture and Skinner. He won't win it because of the New York writers deciding to boycott awards voting, but he deserves to be there just as much as the other two. Either way, it is going to be Skinner. His young age, his performance, plus the east coast bias make it an easy choice.

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Just to play a little devils advocate for Grabner, he got nearly all of his goals except for maybe two during even strength and short handed play, and wasn't really given any powerplay time, unlike Couture and Skinner. He won't win it because of the New York writers deciding to boycott awards voting, but he deserves to be there just as much as the other two. Either way, it is going to be Skinner. His young age, his performance, plus the east coast bias make it an easy choice.
Grabner had a good season and deserves to be on the All-Rookie team but Carlson was nothing short of phenomenal. I hate the age argument since the award already has restrictions in place to prevent "old" rookies from winning...except when it comes to d-men because of how hard it is to adjust to that position at a young age. For a 20-year-old Carlson (he's 21 now) to come in and become a legitimate No. 1 defenseman on both sides of the puck on a team with a solid veteran defense corps that includes the likes of Mike Green, Scott Hannan and Jeff Schultz and then lead that team to a first place finish is unprecedented. Certainly a lot more impressive than what Grabner was able to accomplish and IMO better than what Skinner and Couture did too.

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It's obviously going to be Skinner. Couture is too old.

I'd like to know the salary cap situation if Couture wins as well.

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04-19-2011, 02:36 PM
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I know it can affect it, but why so many comments about how couture winning the calder would affect his salary when he still has another year on the books....as much as i hate to say it ( let alone if i had to watch it) but its possible for him to not do as well next year and drop his value.

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ELC's have bonus clauses that are invoked on the next year's cap.

For reference: http://www.nhlfa.com/CBA/cba_agreement36.asp

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ELC's have bonus clauses that are invoked on the next year's cap.

For reference: http://www.nhlfa.com/CBA/cba_agreement36.asp
Bonus(es) actually are averaged into the cap hit. Cap hit will only go down if they cannot be met. There may be a $500k bonus for winning, or even a $250k bonus for being named a finalist. Those details AFAIK have not been released.

And the issue is not that the bonus can be applied, but as the CBA expires after the 11-12 season, teams have to account for any previous season cap roll overs (bonus cushion) as well as all bonuses that might be incurred (in 11-12) under the cap limit. There is no "roll over" from 11-12 to 12-13.

Now, with the new US TV deal (much higher than the previous), that may raise the cap by a couple of million per team.

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ELC's have bonus clauses that are invoked on the next year's cap.

For reference: http://www.nhlfa.com/CBA/cba_agreement36.asp
I can't find a reference to next years CAP. I only see it doesn't apply to the CAP unless it is outside the rules.

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I can't find a reference to next years CAP. I only see it doesn't apply to the CAP unless it is outside the rules.
It's the roll over if we are right at the cap. LS explained it a bit better than I did. If the Sharks are right at the cap (and they are) and Logan wins his bonus of undisclosed amount, if he doesn't have one already for being a finalist... Then the amount rolls over to next year's cap. Think Toews/Conn Smythe, same deal, except for the complication that LS stated.

TBH I didn't read through that whole link, it was provided by a coworker, but I'm sure it's all there if you look around a bit.

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Grabner had a good season and deserves to be on the All-Rookie team but Carlson was nothing short of phenomenal. I hate the age argument since the award already has restrictions in place to prevent "old" rookies from winning...except when it comes to d-men because of how hard it is to adjust to that position at a young age. For a 20-year-old Carlson (he's 21 now) to come in and become a legitimate No. 1 defenseman on both sides of the puck on a team with a solid veteran defense corps that includes the likes of Mike Green, Scott Hannan and Jeff Schultz and then lead that team to a first place finish is unprecedented. Certainly a lot more impressive than what Grabner was able to accomplish and IMO better than what Skinner and Couture did too.
I'm a Carlson guy too. The very same argument. Who did they surpass in their respective lineups?

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I think Crawford got robbed too. I agree with Carlson getting robbed as well. Grabner would have been 5th on my list.

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