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04-22-2011, 11:58 AM
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I would say there is literally a 100% chance this won't happen.

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So what...the Wild are owned by the Johnson and Johnson family with a secondary owner who is worth $3b as the head of a hedge fund. You still have to stay under the cap. Every owner in the league can spend to the cap based on their own wealth.
This is true, but due to years of having an internally-imposed cap well below the actual cap ceiling, they have plenty of room to spend more money.

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I would say there is literally a 100% chance this won't happen.
The goalie market is flooded and I will be surprised given his age that he would make over $1.5m since he's going to be over 35. He likely will need to take a role sharing starts with someone.

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I have been and am still waiting for someone to explain to me how exactly the Rangers are going to sign Brad Richards.

Are they going to stick Drury in the AHL too? No one in their right mind would take that albatross of a contract, and even if they let Dubinsky walk they still won't have room for Richards plus fielding a full 20-man roster.

For the number of people forecasting Richards to the Rangers, the math just really doesn't work.

I agree fully. NYR is capped out right now.
They are out of the Richards sweepstakes (right now)

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Brad Richards would so improve the team, far more, than people
think. I say they would jump tons of teams in chances for the Cup (still not there..but getting there), and the offense, which was relatively
potent at times, would improve.

Andrei Markov: He will improve the pathetic PP, and Komi.

Andrew Ladd/Curtis Glencross/Ville Leino: one of these to add sandpaper and scoring. Maybe not as much from Leino.

Lupul-Richards-Kessel
Ladd-Grabovski-Kulemin
Armstrong-Bozak-Kadri
Brown-Brent-Boyce/Orr

Phaneuf-Aulie
Schenn-Gunnar
Markov-Komi

Reimer/Gustavsson

(yes I left out MacArthur, since Ladd is better)

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04-22-2011, 09:11 PM
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Brad Richards thought about it long and hard. It even invaded his dreams. The thought first came to him as he watched the Blackhawks come back from an 0-3 deficit to beat the top seeded Canucks. His initial thoughts were that it could have been, maybe should have been his Dallas Stars that were the Canucks first round opponent. He easily dismissed the idea as idiotic. Who would ever do such a thing. After all, he already had his name etched on the Cup.

But the thought stayed with him, nagging him as the Hawks swept the Sharks for the second year in a row. It was about that time that the dreams started. He didn't like the intrusion and he was resolved to forget about it. He would never allow himself to become a laughing stock by seeming so desparate.

But the thought just wouldn't leave him. He found himself daydreaming while watching the Hawks beat the Wings. Who would his linemates be? He visualized himself leading a 3 on 1 with Hossa on his right and Sharp on his left. Nah ... c'mon man, he scolded himself, stop acting like a dreamy school girl. He thought the best course of action would be to turn off the TV and put hockey and the "thought" out of his periphery.

That worked for about a week but when the first game of the 2011 Stanley Cup finals started, he couldn't resist turning on the TV to watch the Cup rematch between the Flyers and Hawks. As soon as the puck dropped, the thought came rushing back in. This time he decided to bargain with the "thought". He would do it if the Hawks won the Cup. If the Flyers won, the thought would have to leave and never come back. He felt at peace with that, probably the first time he felt at peace since the thought first invaded his world about 5 weeks earlier.

The Hawks won and Brad Richards signed a 1 year contract with the Hawks a week later. He knew the Hawks salary cap constraints so he signed for the league minimum with the hope to be on the first team to win 3 Cups in a row since the great Gretzky Oilers in the 80's.

Hey ... a guy can dream can't he.

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Brad Richards thought about it long and hard. It even invaded his dreams. The thought first came to him as he watched the Blackhawks come back from an 0-3 deficit to beat the top seeded Canucks. His initial thoughts were that it could have been, maybe should have been his Dallas Stars that were the Canucks first round opponent. He easily dismissed the idea as idiotic. Who would ever do such a thing. After all, he already had his name etched on the Cup.

But the thought stayed with him, nagging him as the Hawks swept the Sharks for the second year in a row. It was about that time that the dreams started. He didn't like the intrusion and he was resolved to forget about it. He would never allow himself to become a laughing stock by seeming so desparate.

But the thought just wouldn't leave him. He found himself daydreaming while watching the Hawks beat the Wings. Who would his linemates be? He visualized himself leading a 3 on 1 with Hossa on his right and Sharp on his left. Nah ... c'mon man, he scolded himself, stop acting like a dreamy school girl. He thought the best course of action would be to turn off the TV and put hockey and the "thought" out of his periphery.

That worked for about a week but when the first game of the 2011 Stanley Cup finals started, he couldn't resist turning on the TV to watch the Cup rematch between the Flyers and Hawks. As soon as the puck dropped, the thought came rushing back in. This time he decided to bargain with the "thought". He would do it if the Hawks won the Cup. If the Flyers won, the thought would have to leave and never come back. He felt at peace with that, probably the first time he felt at peace since the thought first invaded his world about 5 weeks earlier.

The Hawks won and Brad Richards signed a 1 year contract with the Hawks a week later. He knew the Hawks salary cap constraints so he signed for the league minimum with the hope to be on the first team to win 3 Cups in a row since the great Gretzky Oilers in the 80's.

Hey ... a guy can dream can't he.


This is great!

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I agree fully. NYR is capped out right now.
They are out of the Richards sweepstakes (right now)
Wade Redden has indicated that he wants to play in the NHL again, he can still be a decent bottom pair guy. He also knows that he won't get that opportunity with the Rangers and said that he and his agent will discuss his options in the offseason.

It is widely speculated that he will 'retire' or go to Europe, thus breaching his contract with the Rangers and freeing them of the money owed to him.

That's only one possibility. Rangers fans have it all figured out in our Salary cap thread. It is very very doable.

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04-23-2011, 12:23 AM
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So what...the Wild are owned by the Johnson and Johnson family with a secondary owner who is worth $3b as the head of a hedge fund. You still have to stay under the cap. Every owner in the league can spend to the cap based on their own wealth.
The main difference is that Pegula is willing to spend to the cap year in and year out. A lot of teams are not willing to do this. Another key difference is that Pegula has stated many times his only goal "is to win Stanley Cups" as owner of the Buffalo Sabres. He has stated that if he needs money he'll "drill" for it. Also different is the fact that Pegula will not only spend to the cap, but also that he may be willing to demote overpaid players to the minors, thereby burying the contract, or buyout contracts. Plus, since he's become owner, the Sabres look like one of best teams in the league.

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Here goes:

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Michael Ryder -Florida
Tim Connolly -Columbus
Alex Tanguay - Calgary
Curtis Glencross - Calgary
Eric Cole - Carolina
Tomas Kopecky - Buffalo
Tomas Fleishmann - Colorado
Scottie Upshall -Pits
Brad Richards -NYR
Jamie Langenbrunner -Nashville
Ryan Jones -Edm
Michal Handzus -Ottawa
Antii Miettinen -Columbus
Steve Sullivan - Retire
Joel Ward -Nashville
Zenon Konopka - Edmonton
Ville Leino - Minnesota
Pascal Dupuis - Ottawa
Maxim Talbot - Pittsburgh
Alex Kovalev - Retire
Simon Gagne - Toronto
Raffi Torres - Winnipeg/Phx
Chris Higgins - Dallas
Brooks Laich - Washington
Jason Arnott - Washington

Defense

Tomas Kaberle - Boston
Steve Montador - Minnesota
Anton Babchuk - EdmontonJan Hejda - Columbus
Jonathan Ericsson - Tampa
Andrei Markov - Montreal
James Wisniewski - Montreal
Roman Hamrlik - Atlanta
Hal Gill - Montreal
Shane O'Brien - Nashville
Andy Greene - NYI
Radek Martinek -
Bryan McCabe - Colorado
Ed Jovanovski - Nashville
Ian White - Vancouver
Kent Huskins - Winnipeg/Phx
Eric Brewer - Florida
Kevin Bieksa - Vancouver
Christian Ehrhoff - Buffalo

Goalie

Ray Emery - Anaheim
Jose Theodore - Chicago
Marty Turco - Retire
Peter Budaj - Europe
Matheiu Garon - Montreal
Tomas Vokoun - Dallas
Josh Harding - Minnesota
Evgeni Nabokov - Detroit
Ilya Bryzgalov - Winnipeg/Phx
JS Giguere - ????
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Brad Richards thought about it long and hard. It even invaded his dreams. The thought first came to him as he watched the Blackhawks come back from an 0-3 deficit to beat the top seeded Canucks. His initial thoughts were that it could have been, maybe should have been his Dallas Stars that were the Canucks first round opponent. He easily dismissed the idea as idiotic. Who would ever do such a thing. After all, he already had his name etched on the Cup.

But the thought stayed with him, nagging him as the Hawks swept the Sharks for the second year in a row. It was about that time that the dreams started. He didn't like the intrusion and he was resolved to forget about it. He would never allow himself to become a laughing stock by seeming so desparate.

But the thought just wouldn't leave him. He found himself daydreaming while watching the Hawks beat the Wings. Who would his linemates be? He visualized himself leading a 3 on 1 with Hossa on his right and Sharp on his left. Nah ... c'mon man, he scolded himself, stop acting like a dreamy school girl. He thought the best course of action would be to turn off the TV and put hockey and the "thought" out of his periphery.

That worked for about a week but when the first game of the 2011 Stanley Cup finals started, he couldn't resist turning on the TV to watch the Cup rematch between the Flyers and Hawks. As soon as the puck dropped, the thought came rushing back in. This time he decided to bargain with the "thought". He would do it if the Hawks won the Cup. If the Flyers won, the thought would have to leave and never come back. He felt at peace with that, probably the first time he felt at peace since the thought first invaded his world about 5 weeks earlier.

The Hawks won and Brad Richards signed a 1 year contract with the Hawks a week later. He knew the Hawks salary cap constraints so he signed for the league minimum with the hope to be on the first team to win 3 Cups in a row since the great Gretzky Oilers in the 80's.

Hey ... a guy can dream can't he.
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Where do you think some of the bigger names might go at Free Agency, I am listing only the ones I see as having alot of value to be discussed.

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Michael Ryder -
Tim Connolly -
Alex Tanguay -
Curtis Glencross -
Eric Cole -
Tomas Kopecky -
Tomas Fleishmann -
Scottie Upshall -
Brad Richards -
Jamie Langenbrunner -
Ryan Jones -
Michal Handzus -
Antii Miettinen -
Steve Sullivan -
Joel Ward -
Zenon Konopka -
Ville Leino -
Pascal Dupuis -
Maxim Talbot -
Alex Kovalev -
Simon Gagne -
Raffi Torres -
Chris Higgins -
Brooks Laich -
Jason Arnott -

Defense

Tomas Kaberle -
Steve Montador -
Anton Babchuk -
Joni Pitkanen -
Jan Hejda -
Jonathan Ericsson -
Andrei Markov -
James Wisniewski -

Roman Hamrlik -
Hal Gill -
Shane O'Brien -
Andy Greene -
Radek Martinek -
Bryan McCabe -
Ed Jovanovski -
Ian White -
Kent Huskins -
Eric Brewer -
Kevin Bieksa -
Christian Ehrhoff -

Goalie

Ray Emery -
Jose Theodore -
Marty Turco -
Peter Budaj -
Matheiu Garon -
Tomas Vokoun -
Josh Harding -
Evgeni Nabokov -
Ilya Bryzgalov -
JS Giguere -


I think out of the list here, I think Montreal would be interested in 3 forwards such as Pascal Dupuis, Maxim Talbot, and Curtis Glencross. I think the Habs would look to get maybe a Dman like Bieksa, Huskins or Montador and possibly keep Markov and Gill of the list. Wisniewski will be hard to retain, I think he might walk.

What are some of you thoughts of where some of these players will go.

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The goalie market is flooded and I will be surprised given his age that he would make over $1.5m since he's going to be over 35. He likely will need to take a role sharing starts with someone.
If he's taking that small of a salary, it sure as hell won't be to Dallas. Tampa and Philly would be all over that and he would get to start the majority of the games. Plus Dallas already has Raycroft signed as their backup for next year.

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florida has to spend over $30 million minimum to reach the salary cap FLOOR - and our internal budget has generally been around $50 million - which would give us about $40 million to spend... so most people who have them signing just one or two marginal NHLers is laughable. it simply can't happen with the rules the NHL has in place.

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Michael Ryder -Min
Tim Connolly - Tor/NYR
Alex Tanguay - Cal
Curtis Glencross - Car
Erik Cole - TBL
Tomas Kopecky - Chi
Tomas Fleishmann - Col
Scottie Upshall -LA
Brad Richards -NYR/Tor
Jamie Langenbrunner -Dallas or retire
Ryan Jones -Edm
Michal Handzus - SJ
Antii Miettinen -Buffalo
Steve Sullivan - Retire
Joel Ward -Nashville
Zenon Konopka - Edmonton
Ville Leino - Anaheim
Pascal Dupuis - Atl
Maxim Talbot - Pittsburgh
Alex Kovalev - Retire
Simon Gagne - TBL
Raffi Torres - Chi
Chris Higgins - TBL
Brooks Laich - Washington
Jason Arnott - Washington

Defense

Tomas Kaberle - Boston
Steve Montador - NYI
Anton Babchuk - Calgary/Carolina/KHL
Joni Pitkanen - NJD
Jan Hejda - STL
Jonathan Ericsson - Tampa
Andrei Markov - Montreal
James Wisniewski - Columbus
Roman Hamrlik - Dallas
Hal Gill - Montreal
Shane O'Brien - Nashville
Andy Greene - TOR
Radek Martinek - Europe or retire
Bryan McCabe - TBL
Ed Jovanovski - Det
Ian White - Vancouver
Kent Huskins - Retire
Eric Brewer - TBL
Kevin Bieksa - Buf
Christian Ehrhoff - Det

Goalie

Ray Emery - Anaheim
Jose Theodore - Fla
Marty Turco - Retire
Peter Budaj - Col
Matheiu Garon - Chi
Tomas Vokoun - Phi
Josh Harding - Minnesota
Ilya Bryzgalov - Phoenix
JS Giguere - Retire

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Wade Redden has indicated that he wants to play in the NHL again, he can still be a decent bottom pair guy. He also knows that he won't get that opportunity with the Rangers and said that he and his agent will discuss his options in the offseason.

It is widely speculated that he will 'retire' or go to Europe, thus breaching his contract with the Rangers and freeing them of the money owed to him.

That's only one possibility. Rangers fans have it all figured out in our Salary cap thread. It is very very doable.
Ummm........

Redden is in the AHL. His contract doesn't count against the salary cap. So this comment is utterly irrelevant and makes me wonder how exactly you can claim to have it "all figured out."

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Brad Richards would so improve the team, far more, than people
think. I say they would jump tons of teams in chances for the Cup (still not there..but getting there), and the offense, which was relatively
potent at times, would improve.

Andrei Markov: He will improve the pathetic PP, and Komi.

Andrew Ladd/Curtis Glencross/Ville Leino: one of these to add sandpaper and scoring. Maybe not as much from Leino.

Lupul-Richards-Kessel
Ladd-Grabovski-Kulemin
Armstrong-Bozak-Kadri
Brown-Brent-Boyce/Orr

Phaneuf-Aulie
Schenn-Gunnar
Markov-Komi

Reimer/Gustavsson

(yes I left out MacArthur, since Ladd is better)
I still think Richards would pick Buffalo over Toronto if that's what it came down to. The Sabres are much closer to being a Cup-winning team, and everyone knows that's what Richards is chasing. The money being equal, I just don't see how he picks Toronto over Buffalo.

The salary isn't an issue for Toronto or Buffalo, but it is for the Rangers and the Stars (albeit for different reasons).

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I just went and read the Rangers' board salary cap thread to check out what they're saying about Richards. To be honest, it's pretty bad. We're all wishful fans here, but some of the stuff just doesn't make any sense. It sort of goes like this:

1) IF the cap goes up by 4 million instead of 3, and
2) IF they buy out Drury's contract, and
3) IF Callahan and Dubinsky can be signed for less than 8 million combined, and
4) IF Anisimov, Sauer, Boyle, etc get signed for less than 3.5 million combined, and
5) IF Richards can be signed to a contract with a 6.5 million cap hit

Then they can sign Richards and fit him in.

Most of those things don't make any sense, but IMO the one that makes the absolute least sense is Richards getting a $6.5M cap hit contract. He would have to take a serious discount to play for that much when Toronto and Buffalo are going to open up the war chest and throw the gold at him.

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Ummm........

Redden is in the AHL. His contract doesn't count against the salary cap. So this comment is utterly irrelevant and makes me wonder how exactly you can claim to have it "all figured out."
Even if the Rangers intend to once again waive Redden down to the AHL next fall, his salary cap hit applies through the summer, limiting the Rangers' ability to exceed the cap limit. Seems to me that issue was significant for the Hawks, necessitating some of the trades they made last summer.

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If he's taking that small of a salary, it sure as hell won't be to Dallas. Tampa and Philly would be all over that and he would get to start the majority of the games. Plus Dallas already has Raycroft signed as their backup for next year.
You mean I won't be exactly correct on all of these choices....please don't have me shot!

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Unlike what most posters on here seem to believe, I am pretty sure that the Canucks will be able to keep both Bieksa and Ehrhoff, and Salo will be the one on the move (likely retire).

Right now, they have Salo, Bieksa, and Ehrhoff making 11 M. That amount is more than enough to sign Bieksa and Ehrhoff (9M-10M should get it done). They will still have an extremely deep D-corps with Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Ehrhoff, Edler, Rome, Tanev.
weren't the Canucks over the salary cap by salos salary this year? They could keep everyone as salo was LTI.

If the cap goes up by 2 mil as I think has be speculated then it looks like the nucks will have just under 16 mil to spend.

They have 13 signed for next year and need to fill out 3 D plus 6 ish forwards (bottom 6)

if ehrhoff is looking at 5+ and Bieksa 4.5ish is it really possible? Maybe I've missed something.

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I see the Rangers targeting Brad Richards and Joni Pitkanen.

McCabe will not be back.

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I have been and am still waiting for someone to explain to me how exactly the Rangers are going to sign Brad Richards.

Are they going to stick Drury in the AHL too? No one in their right mind would take that albatross of a contract, and even if they let Dubinsky walk they still won't have room for Richards plus fielding a full 20-man roster.

For the number of people forecasting Richards to the Rangers, the math just really doesn't work.
They have enough money coming off the books that signing Brad is more than doable.

Frolov and his 3 million are gone.
McCabe and his 5+ million are gone
Prospal and his 2.4 million that hs earned thsi year will be gone.
Drury could retire, if not he is bought out and that's 3.4 of his 7 million hit gone.
Avery and his 1.9 hit is gone.
Wolski is traded and his 3.8 is gone.

There's enough room to be made for Richards.

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Ummm........

Redden is in the AHL. His contract doesn't count against the salary cap. So this comment is utterly irrelevant and makes me wonder how exactly you can claim to have it "all figured out."
But his salary WILL count against the summer cap.

Once the season is over, Redden's cap number re-appears on the Rangers ledger and he hampers their ability.

If he wants to play in the NHL, he will seek to have the remaining term voided and the Rangers will grant him his wish.

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So Jussi Jokinen doesnt have much value, but Antti Miettinen does ?

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