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06-10-2011, 11:20 AM
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RIP Mudbugs, it's a shame they had to go out like that. Always were great games between them and Allen, was hoping I would get to see more of them. Wouldn't surprise me if the CHL was no more in a few years.

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06-10-2011, 01:58 PM
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Sad that a successful team is folding.

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06-10-2011, 07:04 PM
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Appears Quad City is back from the dead:

http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=547873

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Mullen said that this is a group that was on the verge of buying the team from former owner Chris Lencheski when the team was sold to Karls last season.

Mullen also says he likes the experience of the prospective incoming group, which currently owns other professional sports teams. They are not local.

"This is an organization that has great experience in minor league sports," Mullen said. "They would be coming in with more experience than anyone else we've seen locally since Howard Cornfield left."
Again, who is this "group" and what teams do they own(or have they owned?)

What do they see in Quad Cities that I don't? I see a train wreck that left the station as soon as the cheating days in the UHL were over...(and by cheating I mean spending over the cap, which was allowed with the luxury tax they had)

Will the team get a new nickname?

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06-11-2011, 01:11 PM
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Club 9 Sports purchases QC Mallards

http://qctimes.com/sports/article_c1...cc4c002e0.html

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Professional hockey will return to the i wireless Center in Moline for a 16th season after Club 9 Sports of Chicago purchased the Quad-City Mallards on Friday afternoon.

The team will return to the Class AA Central Hockey League, where it debuted a year ago under the direction of first-year owner Eric Karls before the Canadian millionaire abruptly shut down the team a month ago.

Club 9, a multi-faceted sports marketing and consulting and management firm, completed the negotiated buyout from Karls late Friday afternoon.

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06-12-2011, 03:59 PM
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Club 9 Sports purchases QC Mallards

http://qctimes.com/sports/article_c1...cc4c002e0.html
Here is the Club 9 Sports website:

http://www.club9sports.com/Home_Page.php

Interesting.....

Had no idea they basically owned the UFL, I kind of find that league to be a joke BUT if the NFL doesn't play this year it might be able to take off and become another USFL.

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06-12-2011, 04:05 PM
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These guys owned the Greenville Grrrowl. Oh boy, that ended up pretty badly after a good start for the franchise. They lost around 5,000 fans on average from their 1st season to their last....Apparently it got so bad that the team stopped paying their bills. I'll admit I wasn't as much of an ECHL junkiee back then, could someone who know more about the Grrrowl talk about them? lol

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06-13-2011, 08:16 AM
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These guys owned the Greenville Grrrowl. Oh boy, that ended up pretty badly after a good start for the franchise. They lost around 5,000 fans on average from their 1st season to their last....Apparently it got so bad that the team stopped paying their bills. I'll admit I wasn't as much of an ECHL junkiee back then, could someone who know more about the Grrrowl talk about them? lol
Having a few friends in Greenville....there is not a lot of love for a couple of the guys involved in this group. Sad how somehow these guys still can show their face with any credibility and think they can 'retread' the tire, selling the same old BS, especially after stiffing a market.

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06-13-2011, 02:15 PM
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Having a few friends in Greenville....there is not a lot of love for a couple of the guys involved in this group. Sad how somehow these guys still can show their face with any credibility and think they can 'retread' the tire, selling the same old BS, especially after stiffing a market.
I also heard at the same time they owned the Checkers and they basically completly blew off the Grrrowl for the Checkers I guess it sounds like.

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06-13-2011, 02:16 PM
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Apparently Mississippi is going to the SPHL?!:

http://www.prohockeynews.com/hockey/..._to_SPHL.shtml

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06-13-2011, 02:26 PM
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Apparently Mississippi is going to the SPHL?!:

http://www.prohockeynews.com/hockey/..._to_SPHL.shtml
I wish Shreveport could've made the move to SPHL as well instead of just closing their doors.

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06-13-2011, 02:45 PM
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I wish Shreveport could've made the move to SPHL as well instead of just closing their doors.
Many thought that was an option. My guess is Tommy Scott couldn't afford the fees to leave the league and then join the SPHL? He's apparently lost $1.5mill in 2 years

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06-13-2011, 04:52 PM
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Apparently Mississippi is going to the SPHL?!:

http://www.prohockeynews.com/hockey/..._to_SPHL.shtml
...and it's official.

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SOUTHAVEN, MS --- The Mississippi RiverKings have announced that the hockey team will operate as a member of the Southern Professional Hockey League (SPHL) during the 2011-2012 season, which begins in October.

“Our goal has always been to build a winning hockey team in a manner that produces positive impacts in our community over and above the entertainment value to area hockey fans,” said Lanier Hurdle, a board member. “This change will let us build relationships with teams closer to northwest Mississippi, and build interest in hockey in the region.”

The RiverKings join SPHL teams in Augusta and Columbus, GA, Fayetteville, NC, Huntsville, AL, Knoxville, TN, Lafayette, LA, Biloxi, MS and Pensacola, FL. “The SPHL is a better regional fit for the RiverKings,” said Ab Mattice, General Manager/Governor for the team. “It will create rivalries with teams within driving distance of DeSoto County. We ask our loyal fans to continue to support the RiverKings here at the DeSoto Civic Center and on the road.”

“We are excited to welcome the RiverKings into the SPHL,” said Jim Combs, President of the league. “We believe they follow our league’s tradition of being deeply involved in the local community while bringing affordable family entertainment in the form of professional ice hockey to the region.”

The move ends a 19-year affiliation with the Central Hockey League (CHL), in which the RiverKings were one of three remaining original members. The RiverKings, the oldest continuously operating professional sports franchise in the Mid-South, will now begin their 20th season of operations.

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06-13-2011, 04:54 PM
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Many thought that was an option. My guess is Tommy Scott couldn't afford the fees to leave the league and then join the SPHL? He's apparently lost $1.5mill in 2 years
Very true, once I saw that article a while back stating they were under contract (I forget for how many years) I was a lot less hopeful. Maybe in the future hockey can make a return to Shreveport...be it the SPHL, or whatever league it is- I just like having hockey continue to grow in the south.

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Very true, once I saw that article a while back stating they were under contract (I forget for how many years) I was a lot less hopeful. Maybe in the future hockey can make a return to Shreveport...be it the SPHL, or whatever league it is- I just like having hockey continue to grow in the south.
I forget when the contract ends(it might be 2014?)....but it' a nice fee to get out. Don't know what an SPHL team costs. I hate that they let Colorado go for free, even if the team in Rocky Mountain was once created and dissolved, it's not like the Eales don't have the pockets to pay that fee.

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Ya beat me to it Doug!

It makes since regionally anyway. I can't argue with the choice. Though, the profict on the ice will not be better. Though, I do think of the SPHL in the manner I used to think of AA Hockey. They are trying to get rivalries, that is dead in AA now. Rivalries make the product better because I think the teams try harder. Also, it looks like this might be a league setup for loyalty where you can bring a core back for a few years, miss that about the UHL.

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06-13-2011, 05:39 PM
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Desoto Times Tribune:

http://www.desototimes.com/articles/...6438020977.txt

Basically the same thing.

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06-15-2011, 07:14 PM
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Some news to catch up on in the last 24 hours:

CHL operations Issues Determined For 2011-2012 Season:

http://www.centralhockeyleague.com/p...rticle_id=6619

14 Teams, 2 Conferences:

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Turner Conference
Bloomington (team name TBD)
Dayton Gems
Evansville IceMen
Fort Wayne Komets
Missouri Mavericks
Quad City Mallards
Rapid City Rush

Berry Conference
Allen Americans
Arizona Sundogs
Laredo Bucks
Rio Grande Valley Killer Bees
Texas Brahmas
Tulsa Oilers
Wichita Thunder

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06-15-2011, 07:17 PM
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Making Playoffs Will Be Tougher:

http://www.journalgazette.net/articl...GS11/110619750

8 of 14 teams will qualify, 4 from each Conference. These better all be Best of 7 Series...

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Franke said that there will not be a luxury tax or profit-sharing system in the CHL, something that had been reported last month in The Monitor of McAllen, Texas.
Oh boy, I bet Glenn Hart is furious if that comes true.

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06-15-2011, 07:21 PM
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So this silly season is over, but I expect next year with the IHL teams agreements running out and teams out West in Laredo, Arizona and RGV being on shaky financial ground, I could see this thing blowing up eventually, if not next summer. I'll take this time to announce i'll revive this next year when things start to get reported of possible teams leaving and what not.

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The Silly Season isn't over until October. If even then.

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06-16-2011, 07:41 AM
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The Silly Season isn't over until October. If even then.
If this tax doesn't kick in I could see Laredo being a midseason fold.

I wonder how long the DelBuono and Vitale experiment can last. If they can last the whole season I don't see them making it past that.

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Bloomington gets rights to players who ended the season on the PT:

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/hoc...cc4c002e0.html

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The mystery regarding players’ rights also was uncovered as DelBuono said the new Bloomington franchise will retain the rights to players who finished last season with the Bloomington Prairie

Thunder. Players from the four teams leaving the league may become free agents.

DelBuono said he is hopeful to make offers this week for several front-office positions, including general manager and coach.
Wonder why this is? It's technically a new franchise.

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06-16-2011, 01:29 PM
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Article - Minor league hockey struggling

Article about the broken minor hockey league system and that reform is needed in order for the leagues to survive.
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Asked to estimate how many of the 75 minor league teams broke even last season, a group of more than 10 hockey officials from all levels guessed 20 to 25 percent
http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pb...106160315/1002

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Well, not surprising, but that's just depressing to read....

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I'll play dumb for a second. What exactly is broken from the model?

By 75 teams are they just focusing on the AHL, ECHL and CHL?

Who are these 10 franchises for sale?

Unless my math is terrible....I see that 3 teams are profitable/broke even. I thought it would have been somewhere in the 5-10 range. Who are those teams? Colorado and Hershey come to mind...maybe Alaska?

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According to several Class AA owners in the Central Hockey League and the ECHL, the average annual budget for teams is between $2 million and $3.5 million, with a handful reaching as high as $4 million. (Some teams must fly to every road game.)

Most owners agree the budgets need to be between $1.8 million and $2.5 million for teams to be able to operate effectively.
How much of that is accounted for the roster?

I think we get a break with how many AHL contracted guys we get, so we aren't on the hook for their salary.

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