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04-22-2011, 11:31 AM
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Realignment: Is it time for an overhaul?

With the rampant speculation of Atlanta and Phoenix almost certainly moving, along with other franchises in financial difficulties, the NHL will have to consider some realignment in the next few years. I think they should take this time to consider a REAL overhaul, and right a few wrongs that were made in the past. So, here's my thoughts on how the divisions should look by, let's day, 2015:

WEST

ATLANTIC

Boston
NYI
NYR
NJ
Washington

*Really sets up a NY/Boston rivalry, and who wouldn't love that?*

NORTHEAST

Toronto
Montreal
Quebec (from Atlanta)
Buffalo
Ottawa

*No big changes here, except adding Quebec and subtracting Boston*

CENTRAL
Detroit
Nashville
Columbus
Pitt
Philly

*Big Change. Gets Detroit out the west, continues to give NASH and CBJ the rivalry with the Wings they want, and gives TOR and the other orignal six teams more games with Detroit. This Eastern realignment also cuts down most teams travel costs by a huge margin.

WEST

SOUTHEAST

Tampa
Florida
Carolina
St. Louis
Chicago

*If Atlanta doesn't move, they go here, Chicago goes to the Central, and Detroit moves to Northeast.

PACIFIC

SJ
Anaheim
LA
Dallas
Colorado

*Only change is Colorado replaces Phoenix.

NORTHWEST

Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Minnesota

*Restores the 4 Western Canadian teams old rivary, and sets up a good cross border battle between Winnipeg and Minnesota, ala Toronto/Buffalo* .

All of this, of course, is predicated on current franchise relocation predictions. But I still think that even if nothing happens, Detroit shouldn't remain in the west. It just doesn't seem right, even after all these years.

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It doesn't seem right for Detroit to be in the west to you, but you have a division in the West called the Southeast? Seriously? The entire western conference says HELL NO to the extra travel.

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Two of those teams on the newfangled 'West' play on the Atlantic Ocean while another one plays the geographic equivalent of down the street on the Gulf of Mexico...in the same division as Chicago? The hell?


The rivalries of the Northeast and Atlantic make them basically impossible to move around while getting any support of owners in those divisions.

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With the rampant speculation of Atlanta and Phoenix almost certainly moving, along with other franchises in financial difficulties, the NHL will have to consider some realignment in the next few years. I think they should take this time to consider a REAL overhaul, and right a few wrongs that were made in the past. So, here's my thoughts on how the divisions should look by, let's day, 2015:

WEST

ATLANTIC

Boston
NYI
NYR
NJ
Washington

*Really sets up a NY/Boston rivalry, and who wouldn't love that?*

NORTHEAST

Toronto
Montreal
Quebec (from Atlanta)
Buffalo
Ottawa

*No big changes here, except adding Quebec and subtracting Boston*

CENTRAL
Detroit
Nashville
Columbus
Pitt
Philly

*Big Change. Gets Detroit out the west, continues to give NASH and CBJ the rivalry with the Wings they want, and gives TOR and the other orignal six teams more games with Detroit. This Eastern realignment also cuts down most teams travel costs by a huge margin.

WEST

SOUTHEAST

Tampa
Florida
Carolina
St. Louis
Chicago

*If Atlanta doesn't move, they go here, Chicago goes to the Central, and Detroit moves to Northeast.

PACIFIC

SJ
Anaheim
LA
Dallas
Colorado

*Only change is Colorado replaces Phoenix.

NORTHWEST

Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Minnesota

*Restores the 4 Western Canadian teams old rivary, and sets up a good cross border battle between Winnipeg and Minnesota, ala Toronto/Buffalo* .

All of this, of course, is predicated on current franchise relocation predictions. But I still think that even if nothing happens, Detroit shouldn't remain in the west. It just doesn't seem right, even after all these years.
CENTRAL
Detroit
Nashville
Columbus
Pitt
Philly


SOUTHEAST
Tampa
Florida
Carolina
St. Louis
Chicago

Something needs to be changed there. Flipping the two that are bolded might be an idea.

Oh, and you have two WEST Conferences, though I imagine the first was meant to be EAST... but better yet you just toss those two Conference names away.


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CENTRAL
Detroit
Nashville
Columbus
Pitt
Philly


SOUTHEAST
Tampa
Florida
Carolina
St. Louis
Chicago

Something needs to be changed there. Flipping the two that are bolded might be an idea.

Oh, and you have two WEST Conferences, though I imagine the first was meant to be EAST... but better yet you just toss those two Conference names away.
You're right. I should have just tossed the conference and the division names. Maybe go back to the old Norris, Patrick, etc...divisions. And now that I look at it, Chicago does get the short end of the stick. I would actually prefer them in the East. But I was trying to keep Nashville with Detroit because of the so called "deal" they had when they first entered the league. But, since most of the owners probably wouldn't go for ANY of this, I guess it doesn't matter. Off you go, Music City.

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You're right. I should have just tossed the conference and the division names. Maybe go back to the old Norris, Patrick, etc...divisions. And now that I look at it, Chicago does get the short end of the stick. I would actually prefer them in the East. But I was trying to keep Nashville with Detroit because of the so called "deal" they had when they first entered the league. But, since most of the owners probably wouldn't go for ANY of this, I guess it doesn't matter. Off you go, Music City.
Never asked you to toss the geographical Division names. Just clarifying that.

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I know pot is legal in Canada and 4/20 was just 2 days ago, but seriously?

Let's say ATL moves (which FL should move first but what ever) and PHX moves

Stars, Lightning, Blues, ATL/FL, Preds
Nucks, Sharks, Ducks, Kings, Avs
Flames, Oilers, Jets, Wild, Hawks
Wings, Pens, BJs, Sabres, Leafs
Habs, B's, Quebec, Sens, Devils
Flyers, Caps, Canes, Rags, Isles

Completely different. Nucks go with the Cali teams for the sake of the time zone issue but still get Colorado for their rival.
The Stars and Blues play against the other southern teams.
Breaking up Detroit and Chicago would be tough but **** it.
Breaking up the three NYC teams is tough too but **** it.

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I've heard about Phoenix but I didn't think Atlanta moving was any more then typical people doing the "Rabble Rabble Rabble Southern Team Rabble Rabble Rabble". Are they actually possibly moving? News to me.

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The league will not move the Red Wings out of the West. They pull in a lot of fans around the conference.

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Putting Tampa and Florida in the same conference as Vancouver and Edmonton is a complete and utter fail. Do you understand the purpose of having these groupings?

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The bolts being in the west....um.....wtf

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Chicago. In the Southeast. Are all the maps I'm looking at of the US wrong?

It is not time for anything more than the most minor of realignments.

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Stars, Lightning, Blues, ATL/FL, Preds
Nucks, Sharks, Ducks, Kings, Avs
Flames, Oilers, Jets, Wild, Hawks
Wings, Pens, BJs, Sabres, Leafs
Habs, B's, Quebec, Sens, Devils
Flyers, Caps, Canes, Rags, Isles

Completely different. Nucks go with the Cali teams for the sake of the time zone issue but still get Colorado for their rival.
The Stars and Blues play against the other southern teams.
Breaking up Detroit and Chicago would be tough but **** it.
Breaking up the three NYC teams is tough too but **** it.
Ok, for something a bit different, and no relocations, how about just having one far western Division and one far eastern Division, and all the other Divisions contain two Time Zones (two isn't too much to ask, I don't think,... not with two current Divisions having 3 TZs).

Far west: Vancouver, San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Phoenix
Far east: Montreal, Boston, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, New Jersey
North west: Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Colorado, St. Louis
South east: Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Dallas
North central: Ottawa, Toronto, Buffalo, Detroit, Chicago
East central: Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Nashville

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I know pot is legal in Canada and 4/20 was just 2 days ago, but seriously?

Let's say ATL moves (which FL should move first but what ever) and PHX moves

Stars, Lightning, Blues, ATL/FL, Preds
Nucks, Sharks, Ducks, Kings, Avs
Flames, Oilers, Jets, Wild, Hawks
Wings, Pens, BJs, Sabres, Leafs
Habs, B's, Quebec, Sens, Devils
Flyers, Caps, Canes, Rags, Isles

Completely different. Nucks go with the Cali teams for the sake of the time zone issue but still get Colorado for their rival.
The Stars and Blues play against the other southern teams.
Breaking up Detroit and Chicago would be tough but **** it.
Breaking up the three NYC teams is tough too but **** it.
These aren't bad... but damn, that Pacific is downright wicked... 3 of the the top four western seeds... ouch. I know that wouldn't always be the case, just saying

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If Phoenix moves to Winnipeg, the only change needed is you put Colorado in the Pacific and Winnipeg in the Northwest.

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[QUOTE=MoreOrr;32579574]Let's say ATL moves (which FL should move first but what ever) and PHX moves

Stars, Lightning, Blues, ATL/FL, Preds
Nucks, Sharks, Ducks, Kings, Avs
Flames, Oilers, Jets, Wild, Hawks
Wings, Pens, BJs, Sabres, Leafs
Habs, B's, Quebec, Sens, Devils
Flyers, Caps, Canes, Rags, Isles
/QUOTE]

Not bad, but I would switch NJ for TOR. As a Sens fan I would like to see the sens play the leafs more often.

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So a pre-warning before reading this: This is completely far fetched and I don't ever see it happening, but this would be my ideal NHL.

My idea is based off of relocating 6 teams, and adding 2 expansion teams. The league would still then be split into an Eastern and Western conference, but instead of 3 divisions of 5 in each conference there would be 4 divisions of 4. You would play each team in your division 6 times a year for a total of 18 games, every other team in the conference 4 times, for a total of 48 games, and every team in the opposite conference 1 time for a total of 16 games. If you were a western conference team, you would be home against teams from two eastern conference divisions, and visit two eastern divisions each year, and alternate home and away each season. The 4 Division champs would all make the playoffs in each conference as well as 4 wild card teams

The teams to be moved:
Phoenix to Winnipeg
Florida to Toronto (I believe that if the New York Area can support 3 teams, the Southern Ontario region can as well)
Tampa to Kitchener
Atlanta to Quebec City
Dallas to Milwaukee
Nashville to Kansas City

Expansion teams: Las Vegas and Hartford

The Conferences would then look like this:
NEW EAST

Atlantic:
Boston
Hartford
Montreal
Quebec City

Canada East:
Toronto
Toronto
Ottawa
Kitchener

North East:
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey
Buffalo

South East:
Philly
Pittsburgh
Washington
Carolina

NEW WEST:

Pacific:
LA
San Jose
Anaheim
Las Vegas

Canada West:
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg

Central:
St. Louis
Kansas City
Colorado
Minnesota

Great Lakes:
Detroit
Chicago
Milwaukee
Columbus

Flame Away

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I love how the west conference has a south east division

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Realignment: Is it time for an overhaul?

No. If the NHL moves the Coyotes to Winnipeg, it will swap places with Colorado.

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I'm beginning to think HF has never seen a map before. Every time one of these pops up, it looks like people just pick random divisions.

According to the OP, Washington is closer to Boston and New York than Philly or Pittsburgh...

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I'm beginning to think HF has never seen a map before. Every time one of these pops up, it looks like people just pick random divisions.

According to the OP, Washington is closer to Boston and New York than Philly or Pittsburgh...
DC is actually about equidistant from New York and Pittsburgh.

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Ok, for something a bit different, and no relocations, how about just having one far western Division and one far eastern Division, and all the other Divisions contain two Time Zones (two isn't too much to ask, I don't think,... not with two current Divisions having 3 TZs).

Far west: Vancouver, San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Phoenix
Far east: Montreal, Boston, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, New Jersey
North west: Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Colorado, St. Louis
South east: Carolina, Florida, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Dallas
North central: Ottawa, Toronto, Buffalo, Detroit, Chicago
East central: Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Nashville

I really like this division from a Leaf fan's perspective. Still get to be with Ottawa and Buffalo + Detroit. Awesome.

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With the rampant speculation of Atlanta and Phoenix almost certainly moving, along with other franchises in financial difficulties, the NHL will have to consider some realignment in the next few years. I think they should take this time to consider a REAL overhaul, and right a few wrongs that were made in the past. So, here's my thoughts on how the divisions should look by, let's day, 2015:

WEST

ATLANTIC

Boston
NYI
NYR
NJ
Washington

*Really sets up a NY/Boston rivalry, and who wouldn't love that?*

NORTHEAST

Toronto
Montreal
Quebec (from Atlanta)
Buffalo
Ottawa

*No big changes here, except adding Quebec and subtracting Boston*

CENTRAL
Detroit
Nashville
Columbus
Pitt
Philly

*Big Change. Gets Detroit out the west, continues to give NASH and CBJ the rivalry with the Wings they want, and gives TOR and the other orignal six teams more games with Detroit. This Eastern realignment also cuts down most teams travel costs by a huge margin.

WEST

SOUTHEAST

Tampa
Florida
Carolina
St. Louis
Chicago

*If Atlanta doesn't move, they go here, Chicago goes to the Central, and Detroit moves to Northeast.

PACIFIC

SJ
Anaheim
LA
Dallas
Colorado

*Only change is Colorado replaces Phoenix.

NORTHWEST

Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Minnesota

*Restores the 4 Western Canadian teams old rivary, and sets up a good cross border battle between Winnipeg and Minnesota, ala Toronto/Buffalo* .

All of this, of course, is predicated on current franchise relocation predictions. But I still think that even if nothing happens, Detroit shouldn't remain in the west. It just doesn't seem right, even after all these years.
So much fail in this post.

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So a pre-warning before reading this: This is completely far fetched and I don't ever see it happening, but this would be my ideal NHL.

My idea is based off of relocating 6 teams, and adding 2 expansion teams. The league would still then be split into an Eastern and Western conference, but instead of 3 divisions of 5 in each conference there would be 4 divisions of 4. You would play each team in your division 6 times a year for a total of 18 games, every other team in the conference 4 times, for a total of 48 games, and every team in the opposite conference 1 time for a total of 16 games. If you were a western conference team, you would be home against teams from two eastern conference divisions, and visit two eastern divisions each year, and alternate home and away each season. The 4 Division champs would all make the playoffs in each conference as well as 4 wild card teams

The teams to be moved:
Phoenix to Winnipeg
Florida to Toronto (I believe that if the New York Area can support 3 teams, the Southern Ontario region can as well)
Tampa to Kitchener
Atlanta to Quebec City
Dallas to Milwaukee
Nashville to Kansas City

Expansion teams: Las Vegas and Hartford

The Conferences would then look like this:
NEW EAST

Atlantic:
Boston
Hartford
Montreal
Quebec City

Canada East:
Toronto
Toronto
Ottawa
Kitchener

North East:
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey
Buffalo

South East:
Philly
Pittsburgh
Washington
Carolina

NEW WEST:

Pacific:
LA
San Jose
Anaheim
Las Vegas

Canada West:
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg

Central:
St. Louis
Kansas City
Colorado
Minnesota

Great Lakes:
Detroit
Chicago
Milwaukee
Columbus

Flame Away
Well ****. Didn't think we'd see another post in here compete with the OPs but we did. Go figure.

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So a pre-warning before reading this: This is completely far fetched and I don't ever see it happening, but this would be my ideal NHL.

My idea is based off of relocating 6 teams, and adding 2 expansion teams. The league would still then be split into an Eastern and Western conference, but instead of 3 divisions of 5 in each conference there would be 4 divisions of 4. You would play each team in your division 6 times a year for a total of 18 games, every other team in the conference 4 times, for a total of 48 games, and every team in the opposite conference 1 time for a total of 16 games. If you were a western conference team, you would be home against teams from two eastern conference divisions, and visit two eastern divisions each year, and alternate home and away each season. The 4 Division champs would all make the playoffs in each conference as well as 4 wild card teams

The teams to be moved:
Phoenix to Winnipeg
Florida to Toronto (I believe that if the New York Area can support 3 teams, the Southern Ontario region can as well)
Tampa to Kitchener
Atlanta to Quebec City
Dallas to Milwaukee
Nashville to Kansas City

Expansion teams: Las Vegas and Hartford

The Conferences would then look like this:
NEW EAST

Atlantic:
Boston
Hartford
Montreal
Quebec City

Canada East:
Toronto
Toronto
Ottawa
Kitchener

North East:
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey
Buffalo

South East:
Philly
Pittsburgh
Washington
Carolina

NEW WEST:

Pacific:
LA
San Jose
Anaheim
Las Vegas

Canada West:
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg

Central:
St. Louis
Kansas City
Colorado
Minnesota

Great Lakes:
Detroit
Chicago
Milwaukee
Columbus

Flame Away
Your ideal league is pretty screwed up.

You move 2 of the most succesful southern teams (Dallas and Tampa Bay) and one that is becoming succesful (Nashville)

Then you add Las Vegas which guarenteed would be less profitable than those 3 teams.

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