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04-22-2011, 03:37 PM
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I'm beginning to think HF has never seen a map before. Every time one of these pops up, it looks like people just pick random divisions.

According to the OP, Washington is closer to Boston and New York than Philly or Pittsburgh...
I think his objective was to keep the Pennsylvania teams together. I don't see anything wrong with putting Boston and Washington in a Division with the NY area teams. Certainly a viable option.

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With the rampant speculation of Atlanta and Phoenix almost certainly moving, along with other franchises in financial difficulties, the NHL will have to consider some realignment in the next few years. I think they should take this time to consider a REAL overhaul, and right a few wrongs that were made in the past. So, here's my thoughts on how the divisions should look by, let's day, 2015:

WEST

ATLANTIC

Boston
NYI
NYR
NJ
Washington

*Really sets up a NY/Boston rivalry, and who wouldn't love that?*

NORTHEAST

Toronto
Montreal
Quebec (from Atlanta)
Buffalo
Ottawa

*No big changes here, except adding Quebec and subtracting Boston*

CENTRAL
Detroit
Nashville
Columbus
Pitt
Philly

*Big Change. Gets Detroit out the west, continues to give NASH and CBJ the rivalry with the Wings they want, and gives TOR and the other orignal six teams more games with Detroit. This Eastern realignment also cuts down most teams travel costs by a huge margin.

WEST

SOUTHEAST

Tampa
Florida
Carolina
St. Louis
Chicago

*If Atlanta doesn't move, they go here, Chicago goes to the Central, and Detroit moves to Northeast.

PACIFIC

SJ
Anaheim
LA
Dallas
Colorado

*Only change is Colorado replaces Phoenix.

NORTHWEST

Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Minnesota

*Restores the 4 Western Canadian teams old rivary, and sets up a good cross border battle between Winnipeg and Minnesota, ala Toronto/Buffalo* .

All of this, of course, is predicated on current franchise relocation predictions. But I still think that even if nothing happens, Detroit shouldn't remain in the west. It just doesn't seem right, even after all these years.
I do not like the way you aligned the eastern confrence

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04-22-2011, 04:29 PM
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EAST:

NE
Quebec- from atlanta
MTL
TOR
OTT
Bufalo

Atl
NYR
NYI
NJ
Bos
Philly

SE
Wash
Car
TB
Nashville
STL

WEST

NW
Van
Cal
Edm
Winnipeg- from Phoenix
Minnesota

PAC
LA
SJ
Ana
Dal
Col

CEN
Det
Chi
Pitt
Columbus
Hamilton- from florida

I think this would work nicely, more Canadian teams, eliminates the three weakest franchises (no offense to fans of Florida, Atlanta, or Phoenix), and actually makes travel better for alot of teams

a few notes:
-Hamilton could be any eastern canadian city, I dont know that much about canadian cities, Im just going on population stats
-I tried to make Detroit fit in the east because I believe they have some sort of stake in the eastern conference in case of realignment, but they just dont really fit anywhere but the central, and with the southeast in existence you cant justify the central being in the east
-teams in the NE, ATL, CEN, can be swapped around, because they are so close together, but I think this is the best way.

of course all of this is speculation, because we dont really know what the league will do about this whole thing

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04-22-2011, 04:35 PM
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I find it hilarious how half of these suggestions completely **** the Jackets over...

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04-22-2011, 04:38 PM
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Why do people constantly screw St. Louis over in these threads?

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04-22-2011, 04:45 PM
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I find it hilarious how half of these suggestions completely **** the Jackets over...
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Why do people constantly screw St. Louis over in these threads?
Shouldn't every team get its turn at being screwed over?

Let's put it this way, if you're in the center of anything then it's likely you could be put in a variety of different groups. The same goes for Philadelphia and Washington on the east coast.


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Why do people constantly screw St. Louis over in these threads?

Because St. Louis is rare in that you can somewhat justify them being in almost any division, so most people use the Blues as a wild card to round out whichever division still has a hole left in it. Basically St. Louis is an afterthought of convenience.

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04-22-2011, 05:04 PM
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Northeast - Buffalo swapped with Florida who move to Quebec

Toronto -
Ottawa
Montreal
Quebec
Boston

Atlantic - Remains the same

Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
NY Rangers
NY Islander
NJ Jersey

East - Florida swapped with Buffalo

Washington
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta

Central - Stays same

Detroit
Chicago
Nashville
St Louis
Columbus

North-West - Colorado swapped with Phoenix who move to Winnipeg

Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Minnesota
Winnipeg

Pacific - Colorado swapped with Phoenix

San Jose
Anaheim
LA Kings
Dallas
Colorado

Thoughts?

Tried to keep most rivalries in tact and not move to much about as it's current structure is good enough. Just needs new teams


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04-22-2011, 05:16 PM
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Just drop the whole pointless division nonsense, just use two conferences. And design the schedule and alignment to minimise travel within certain parameters (such as a maximum and a minimum number of times any two teams can play each other). That's just math, it's a monster calculation but nothing a relatively straightforward piece of software can't handle.

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Stop ****ing putting Quebec as an option for realignment. It's not happening this year so why even bother discussing it? Atlanta, Florida, ro w/e team you think is easiest to swipe isn't going anywhere next season.

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04-22-2011, 05:21 PM
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Northeast - Buffalo swapped with Florida who move to Quebec

Toronto -
Ottawa
Montreal
Quebec
Boston

Atlantic - Remains the same

Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
NY Rangers
NY Islander
NJ Jersey

South-East - Florida swapped with Buffalo

Washington
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta

Central - Stays same

Detroit
Chicago
Nashville
St Louis
Columbus

North-West - Colorado swapped with Phoenix who move to Winnipeg

Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Minnesota
Winnipeg

Pacific - Colorado swapped with Phoenix

San Jose
Anaheim
LA Kings
Dallas
Colorado

Thoughts?

Tried to keep most rivalries in tact and not move to much about as it's current structure is good enough. Just needs new teams
Now I know you are joking, or geographic locations mean nothing to you, or you've escaped from a psyche-ward somewhere.... Buffalo on the border with Canada but still somehow in a South-East Division.

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Northeast - Buffalo swapped with Florida who move to Quebec

Toronto -
Ottawa
Montreal
Quebec
Boston

Atlantic - Remains the same

Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
NY Rangers
NY Islander
NJ Jersey

South-East - Florida swapped with Buffalo

Washington
Buffalo
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta

Central - Stays same

Detroit
Chicago
Nashville
St Louis
Columbus

North-West - Colorado swapped with Phoenix who move to Winnipeg

Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Minnesota
Winnipeg

Pacific - Colorado swapped with Phoenix

San Jose
Anaheim
LA Kings
Dallas
Colorado

Thoughts?

Tried to keep most rivalries in tact and not move to much about as it's current structure is good enough. Just needs new teams
In the Southeast?

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Name changes need work but it's the only place I could fit them without giving too long a time travel.

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*Really sets up a NY/Boston rivalry, and who wouldn't love that?*
We don't care about the Rags and they don't care about us. You don't separate Boston and Montreal, and you don't separate Montreal and Quebec. Either put Buffalo in a division with the NY teams, or break off Toronto/Ottawa/Buffalo into a separate division from Boston/Montreal/Quebec.

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There are too many entrenched power brokers in the NHL for most of these to happen.

The Flyers are never going to allow a realignment that takes away NYR and NJD to get CLB and CAR, for example.

You will see minor shuffling if Phx relocates, and more minor shuffling if QUE joins, but other than that, nothing will happen.

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please refer to this when making decisions

http://billsportsmaps.com/wp-content...ap2008-09_.gif

the only thing that would make sense to me would be if Winnipeg is in then move Colorado to the Pacific

if you want to do a real shake up then separate conferences by North/South with Chicago or Pittsburgh being the cut off point, might equal out travel time.. but it would increase expenses

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The bolts being in the west....um.....wtf
I hope that he meant for Tampa to be in a Southeastern division. I had to take a double take on that as well

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Stop ****ing putting Quebec as an option for realignment. It's not happening this year so why even bother discussing it? Atlanta, Florida, ro w/e team you think is easiest to swipe isn't going anywhere next season.
People are....ignorant, for lack of a better word. Plus, most of these suggestions are freaking ridiculous and make almost NO sense.

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Name changes need work but it's the only place I could fit them without giving too long a time travel.
Have you looked at a map of the US lately? Buffalo is further north than every single team in the Atlantic. One of them would get bumped to the Southeast before Buffalo.

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Have you looked at a map of the US lately? Buffalo is further north than every single team in the Atlantic. One of them would get bumped to the Southeast before Buffalo.
Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal can't be separated
Montreal/Boston can't be separated
Quebec/Montreal wouldn't be separated

Carolina/Tampa/Atlanta would be fine as a division but it needs two others for full status. Washington are already there so Buffalo are only ones left.

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Stop ****ing putting Quebec as an option for realignment. It's not happening this year so why even bother discussing it? Atlanta, Florida, ro w/e team you think is easiest to swipe isn't going anywhere next season.
The entire premise of the discussion is that relocation will result in realignment. If nobody's moving, there's no debate.

In the West its obvious, if Phoenix goes to Winnipeg they'd swap places with Colorado. What makes this an interesting discussion is that a team in Quebec would presumably displace a Northeast division team, and there's no logical candidate to push out. The entire East could potentially change.

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Because St. Louis is rare in that you can somewhat justify them being in almost any division, so most people use the Blues as a wild card to round out whichever division still has a hole left in it. Basically St. Louis is an afterthought of convenience.
Even still splitting up St. Louis and Chicago makes no sense at all.

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Sorry guys, if there's going to be realignment, Minnesota will be out of the NW, and join the likes of Chicago and Detroit.

Cut it to two divisions per conference, it would work out better IMO.

Wales Conference

Adams Division

NYRangers
NYIslanders
Boston
Philadelphia
New Jersey
Montreal
Ottawa

Patrick Division
Nashville
Buffalo
Washington
Pittsburgh
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta - Put them in the Adams if they move to Quebec
Florida

Campbell Conference

Norris Division

Toronto
Detroit
Chicago
Columbus
Minnesota
St.Louis
Dallas

Smythe Division
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg - could possibly be in the Norris instead
Colorado
San Jose
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Los Angeles

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Not sure if its been pointed out, but how is the southEAST in the west? Thats logic at its finest.

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Sorry guys, if there's going to be realignment, Minnesota will be out of the NW, and join the likes of Chicago and Detroit.

Cut it to two divisions per conference, it would work out better IMO.

Wales Conference

Adams Division

NYRangers
NYIslanders
Boston
Philadelphia
New Jersey
Montreal
Ottawa

Patrick Division
Nashville
Buffalo
Washington
Pittsburgh
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta - Put them in the Adams if they move to Quebec
Florida

Campbell Conference

Norris Division

Toronto
Detroit
Chicago
Columbus
Minnesota
St.Louis
Dallas

Smythe Division
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg - could possibly be in the Norris instead
Colorado
San Jose
Anaheim
Los Angeles
I'd say swap Dallas and Winnipeg and yours is the best so far. Toronto probably wouldnt like losing Buffalo and Ottawa from their division, but that depends on how you schedule games I suppose.

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