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04-21-2011, 02:14 PM
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Rank the Rookie Forwards

1 Bobby Butler OTT R 36 10 11 21 -16
2 Colin Greening OTT C 24 6 7 13 2
3 Erik Condra OTT R 26 6 5 11 -1
4 Zack Smith OTT C 55 4 5 9 -11
5 Roman Wick OTT R 7 0 0 0 -4
6 Jim O'Brien OTT C 6 0 0 0 -3
7 Stephane Da Costa OTT C 4 0 0 0

How would you rank these 7 young forwards, state their future position on the club and why.

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04-21-2011, 02:17 PM
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1. Bobby Butler - Showed real pomise as a young sniper, including potting the odd highlight reel goal. Potential top 6 sniper.
2. Erik Condra - He's got a solid offensive skillset and proved he could score in a bottom 6 role. Potential 2nd line forward, probably ends up a solid 3rd liner.
3. Stephane Da Costa - In the 4 games he played here he showed a passing ability not possessed by anyone on the roster but Spezza. He's a takeaway machine and can dangle. Top 6 skill.
4. Colin Greening - Big, fast, smart. He can do it all. Playing with Spezza made him look better than he is, but still looked impressive nonetheless. Potential 2nd/3rd liner.
5. Zack Smith - Well on his way to becoming a solid 3rd/4th line grinder. He finishes his checks and fights but he needs to stop taking dump penalties, and lacks offensive talent.
6. Roman Wick - Hit a few posts when he played with Spezza. Unlike other rookies he's willing to take a chance to score, has a good chance of making the roster next year.
7. Jim O'Brien - Looked like he didn't know what was going on in his stint in Ottawa. He looked to me like he lacked hockey sense and scoring ability. Potential bottom 6 forward.

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04-21-2011, 02:44 PM
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I'd prefer to put up my own ranking as I don't think some of the guys you have will ever make it to Ottawa.

1. Bobby Butler - from the first day I saw him at the development camp, he has a rocket of a shot, I think he will be a sniper in the NHL too.

2. Colin Greening - this guy does all the little things well including making space for Butler & Spezza. He has speed, good size & will chip in some goals. What we haven't seen yet is that he is pretty tough too, a powerforward in the making IMO.

3. Jacob Silfverberg - I don't know if he will be coming over or not this yr but IMO this guy can do everything well including score. He is excellent defensively & will compliment any line he is put on, I think he is a star in the making.

4. Zack Smith - switching with Winchester to fight Horton I thought was the ultimate team player move. He is excellent defensively, great at faceoffs & as we saw will drop them to protect his teammates. Great 3rd/4th line player who can also contribute some points.

5. Jim O'Brien - typical late bloomer, seems to take a while to catch on wherever he is. If he ever gets to play in Ottawa, it will probably take him a yr or two to get into the groove but I think each yr he takes another step forward. Don't know if the organization has the patience to wait though.

6. Derek Grant - is another guy who I think has lots of potential. He has the size & the skill, is a decent skater & good two way player. Once he gets comfortable in his role I think you are going to see him start to produce some numbers offensively.

7. Mark Stone - showed us that he has a lot of offense in him, not a gifted skater but I think will improve that weakness in his game. He has NHL size but needs to play with more energy & I would like to see him drop the gloves a little more. Likely a 3rd liner in Ottawa some day.

8. Eric Condra - solid 3rd liner, good defensively, hockey smarts, all of the things that Kelly had. There could be too many 3rd liners already in Ottawa & there might not be room for him but is a usefull callup.

9. Stephane Da Costa - seems to possess good skill & passing abilities as well as good vision. He also seems a tad small & soft, not sure if he has a future with this club or not but is an excellent call up.

10. Roman Wick - has the size, the speed & seems to get somewhat involved in the play. But he also seems to lack energy at times & determination to go for it. He needs to score & put up points regularly, if he is ever going to stick with Ottawa IMO.

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04-21-2011, 02:50 PM
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1. Bobby Butler
2. Colin Greening
3. Erik Condra
4. Stephane Da Costa
5. Zack Smith
6. Roman Wick
7. Jim O'brien

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04-21-2011, 02:53 PM
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My ranking:

1. Bobby Butler - 2nd line potential, needs to show he can bring it over an 82 game season. But clearly more upside than the others.

2. Colin Greening - Size, speed and good hockey sense pretty much ensures that he'll play in the NHL. Not sure whether he'll be a 4th liner who kills penalties, or 3rd liner who chips in a little offense.

3. Jim O'Brien - Better production in the AHL at a younger age than anyone else on this list. Don't believe his hands are good enough to be a top-6 NHL player, but should be able to make it as an energy line guy.

4. Erik Condra - Good hands, okay wheels, good vision, very good hockey sense. Wish he was bigger and/or faster. Should be able to stick with a lower echelon team like Ottawa for a few years.

5. Stephane Da Costa - Not really convinced yet, but he shows up here mostly because I'm down on the guys below him.

6. Zack Smith - I'm a little down on ZS because I think he lacks the foot speed to be a real good bottom six player. Also needs to cut down on the penalties. I'm willing to bet his stay in Ottawa is pretty short.

7. Roman Wick - Has never really done anything to catch my eye, even though I'll admit I only saw a handful of his games here in Ottawa. I'm guessing he'll be back in Europe next year.


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04-21-2011, 05:53 PM
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1 Bobby Butler OTT R 36 10 11 21 -16
2 Colin Greening OTT C 24 6 7 13 2
3 Erik Condra OTT R 26 6 5 11 -1
4 Zack Smith OTT C 55 4 5 9 -11
5 Roman Wick OTT R 7 0 0 0 -4
6 Jim O'Brien OTT C 6 0 0 0 -3
7 Stephane Da Costa OTT C 4 0 0 0

How would you rank these 7 young forwards, state their future position on the club and why.
Butler (he can finish...potential 2nd line winger)
Greening (big,can shoot, and can skate...just has to put it all together)
Da costa (great passer...needs to improve skating to be 2nd liner)
Condra (needs to work on skating...can be a third liner)
smith (perfect 3rd/4th liner...rated lower because of lower ceiling)
obrien (has wheels and decent size so can play 4th line energy role)
wick (no future in nhl...not bad, but not determined/good enough)

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04-21-2011, 09:26 PM
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Here's my not so professional scouting report

Butler
good finisher...good offensive presence on the ice.....simple game with no glaring holes....Dany Heatley lite....not too much else...2nd line winger

Condra
great vision...always involved in the play...good 2-way play....potential to be a strong 3rd line centre

Da Costa
"sneaky" player...uncanny ability to strip the puck from opposing players and make it look effortless...never gives up on a play....excellent puck control...small but strong along the boards...3rd line offensive player on a good team, 2nd liner on a below average team

Greening
good size...great all-round game...near elite level speed for a big player...valuable type of player...3rd/4th line guy that does a bit of everything...or a marginal top 6 player to complement more skilled guys

Smith
physical game with a hint of skillz...good puck control...drops the gloves...good in the circle...equally at home on a weaker offensive 3rd line or a 4th line.

O'Brien
Excellent hair...2-way first player...decent speed...a bit of skill, but not enough...falls in between a top 6 and bottom 6 role...probably an AHLer...if he can fill out his game he could be a bottom 6er....right now too many question marks

Wick
Also excellent hair...plays guitar...no idea about his play...probably will never be a regular NHL player...imo.


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1 Bobby Butler - 7.0 D - Potential top-6er. If he reaches it, it's because he plays with grit and fights to get into goal-scoring areas.
2 Erik Condra - 6.5 C - Likely #3C. He's got all the tools to be a good, 2-way player. However, none of them are great enough to make him a top-6er.
3 Stephane Da Costa - 7.0 D - See Butler
4 Jim O'Brien - 6.5 C - He's got as much potential as Condra IMO
5 Colin Greening - 6.5 C - I think he's a prototypical third liner, got size, has physicality, a slight scoring touch
6 Roman Wick - 6.0 C - Doubt he has a lasting impact with Ottawa. IMO he'll get traded or go back to Europe.
7 Zach Smith - 6.0 B - I see him as a 4th line C at best.

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Smith's a 4th line C right now at 23. He's also key on draws and kills penalties very well. Guys just gotta stay out of the box and keep working. I wouldn't limit his upside to the 4th line.

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1 Bobby Butler
2 Colin Greening
3 Erik Condra
4 Zack Smith
5 Roman Wick
6 Stephane Da Costa
7 Jim O'Brien

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1 Colin Greening: I'll go against the grain here and rank Colin Greening first. It's not that I think he necessarily has more skill than Bobby Butler, but I just think he isa more complete package for the NHL game. Spezza singling him out for praise at the end of the season just reinforces my view that he has the makings of a top six power forward.

2 Bobby Butler: He will be either a top six scoring winger, or a bust. I don't see any other option. We'll see next season when the games actually count whether he can continue to get into scoring positions.

3 Erik Condra: Seems to be a pretty smart, two-way player. I think he could be our Chris Kelly replacement, which the team absolutely needs.

4 Zack Smith: I like him, but I think we have pretty well seen what he will bring to the team. Lots of energy and speed, and a solid bottom-six player. He needs to become a real faceoff and penalty killing specialist to solidify his position on the team going forward.

5 Roman Wick: There is skill here, but he is not ready for the NHL yet. Another year in Bingo will determine if he is a going to progress, or end up back in Europe.

6 Jim O'Brien: He is clearly not comfortable in an NHL role yet, but has certainly come a long way. If he continues to improve in Bingo, he could be a bottom-six player in another year or so.

7 Stephane Da Costa: I haven't really seen enough to rate him, so he goes last. Give him a year in Bingo and we'll see if he can translate his obvious offensive skills into a professional game.

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Zach Smith = Chris Kelly 2.0, but with more penalties, but also being more of a pain in the ass...

It would be cool to see how Zach Smith would do on the wing, and run with a 3rd line of..

Z. Smith - O'Brien - ???

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Butler
Smith
Condra
Greening
Wick
Da Costa
O'brien

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De Costa
Condra
Greening
Butler
O'Brien (I still think he'll be a poor Rob Neidermeyere clone)
Z. Smith (still to many brain cramps to be more then a good 4th liner)
Wick

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De Costa
Condra
Greening
Butler
O'Brien (I still think he'll be a poor Rob Neidermeyere clone)
Z. Smith (still to many brain cramps to be more then a good 4th liner)
Wick
Interesting. Could you tell us why you see De Costa as the number one. I'm intrigued by him, but as I said in my post, I don't know enough about his potential yet. I hope he is good, as we have a desperate need for a second line center.

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Why De Costa in 1st? What did you see?

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Immediately the fact that for a player his size and playing in his first NHL games he was not afraid of the boards or corners, and he battled well, he's great at digging at pucks and pushing the play towards his teammates.

His vision and ability to make those little Mike Comrie shuffle moves with the puck and then shoot, changing the angles of the shots and shooting while goalies are in motion I thought was good.

And his hunger for the puck, he forechecked well and wanted the puck, and he's not afraid to make plays with it or give the puck away, someitmes young players either don't want the puck or once they have it they don't want to give it away without making a play, De Costa plays like he loves being everywhere on the ice, not just in the O zone.

And in interviews he seems to be arrogant and understand he belongs, i Liked that.

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Da Costa
Wick
Butler
Greening
Condra
Smith
O'Brien

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Immediately the fact that for a player his size and playing in his first NHL games he was not afraid of the boards or corners, and he battled well, he's great at digging at pucks and pushing the play towards his teammates.

His vision and ability to make those little Mike Comrie shuffle moves with the puck and then shoot, changing the angles of the shots and shooting while goalies are in motion I thought was good.

And his hunger for the puck, he forechecked well and wanted the puck, and he's not afraid to make plays with it or give the puck away, someitmes young players either don't want the puck or once they have it they don't want to give it away without making a play, De Costa plays like he loves being everywhere on the ice, not just in the O zone.

And in interviews he seems to be arrogant and understand he belongs, i Liked that.
Come on we must be thinking of two different players I think you are reporting on Sidney Crosby or maybe Taylor Hall.All the different shots he has at his disposal he only had nine shots while playing in the NHL,dont get me wrong nine shots in four games is respectable,consider the ice time in some games.I think you are a relative or just very high on this player for the little we have seen,and the little he showed.Good news is you never can tell who will surprize the critics.He is very week on his skates for the show and must increase strength,which 80 % of young players need to,we will see how his summer goes,good I hope.

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I'd say Smith probably has nailed down a job on the 4th, maybe 3rd line

Butler probably tentatively has the job on line 1 or 2, but could lose it with the competition.

Everybody else will be fighting for the remaining jobs, and I think the Sens will bring in a vet or two.

It should prove to be a very interesting and competitive training camp.

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1. Bobby Butler - will get a shot on the top two lines next year. Great release on his shot.

2. Colin Greening - always liked his speed/power combination.

3. Stephane Da Costa - he seems to have very good puck skills and is pretty savvy.

4. Zack Smith - good gritty 4th line player who needs to take fewer dumb penalties.

5. Erik Condra - not sure what too think about him..smallish, not fast, but intelligent and cerebral player.

6. Jim O'Brien - still has the potential to be a 3rd liner IMO..we'll see next year where he's at.

7. Roman Wick - meh..back to Switzerland me thinks.

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