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04-22-2011, 10:34 PM
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I think expectations for him were high. He was "meh." Didn't hurt the team at all, I'll take, especially with the big lead early.

He created a few good chances.

All I've heard was "he was terrible." Would someone care to explain how?
What stands out in my mind was early in the third period, he took a shift wherein by the end I was literally screaming for Ruff to bench him for the rest of the game. Absolutely lazy defensive play.

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04-22-2011, 10:36 PM
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I think the Sabres need to replace Pominville with a forward who's better defensively than Mancari. I'd recall Ellis.

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04-22-2011, 10:37 PM
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I think the Sabres need to replace Pominville with a forward who's better defensively than Mancari. I'd recall Ellis.
I like this. Grier/Ellis/Cody could be very effective.

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I hope Ruff moves Vanek off that line as well. But for Goose and Kaleta's sake.
That was my thought as well. They looked like they were trying to force everything to Vanek -- Kaleta repeatedly threw things cross ice when hard behind the net is the better play to sustain the forecheck. With Gerbe, there was more low game, less fancy.

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Ennis-Connolly-Stafford
Vanek-Niedermeyer-Boyes
Gerbe-Gaustad-Mancari
Kaleta-McCormick-Grier

Reunite the Gerbe-Gaustad-Mancari line that seemed to have some chemistry at the end of the regular season, and give Boyes another shot on an offensive line.

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04-22-2011, 10:47 PM
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I'd love to see Ellis up, but I think Pominville out hurts more offensively than defensively. We have a plethora of defensive players who can step up in his spot (Goose, Grier, Nieds, McCormick, Connolly & Stafford to a degree). Unfortunately, none of our offensive players have shown the ability to produce with each other, and they way he's playing, I don't consider Connolly and offensive forward anymore.

Guys who I trust to create offense: Vanek, Ennis, Stafford & sometimes Boyes. Gerbe and Kaleta are nice pieces but don't really excel either way.

I know that in the playoffs you can rely on the defensive guys for goals a bit more, but I'd like to see someone who brings a little more offense in the lineup.

Plus, Mancari has shown, if nothing else, that he's not going to take **** after the whistle in his stint up here. Pair that with his big night in Portland yesterday and I think he's earned the call.

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04-22-2011, 10:47 PM
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Ennis - Connolly - Stafford
Gerbe - Niedermayer - Vanek
Kaleta - Gaustad - Boyes
Ellis - McCormick - Grier

How about Vanek on the off-wing? I thought he was pretty dangerous there at one point this season. Playing him with Gerbe and Neidermayer positions him very well for success.

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04-22-2011, 10:52 PM
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Ennis - Connolly - Stafford
Gerbe - Niedermayer - Vanek
Kaleta - Gaustad - Boyes
Ellis - McCormick - Grier

How about Vanek on the off-wing? I thought he was pretty dangerous there at one point this season. Playing him with Gerbe and Neidermayer positions him very well for success.
I'd rather they stick with Gerbe-Gaustad-Kaleta. Together, they've been good defensively, pesky and working the cycle. Moving other guys in and out of that line hasn't been as successful.

The big hit is that they lose one of the few guys who has shown the ability to finish in the playoffs with Pominville out. They need to manufacture some goals from someone else.

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04-22-2011, 11:22 PM
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Sabres postgame radio just said Poms went out to the bus with a plastic boot and crutches.
It looks like he got cut on the outside of the ankle where the lateral malleolus ligament runs. If that got nicked he's out for a long time.

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04-23-2011, 01:30 AM
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It may be that I'm expecting too much offensively from him. Nieds and Boyes did a nice job on the walls I thought, but it never amounted to anything.
Didn't it lead to the OT winner?

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04-23-2011, 02:29 AM
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Didn't it lead to the OT winner?
Yes it did. But let's not cloud the issue with a fact!

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Ennis - Connolly - Stafford
Gerbe - Niedermayer - Vanek
Kaleta - Gaustad - Boyes
Ellis - McCormick - Grier

How about Vanek on the off-wing? I thought he was pretty dangerous there at one point this season. Playing him with Gerbe and Neidermayer positions him very well for success.
I like the idea of Vanek on the right side.

I'd do something like this:

Ennis - Niedermayer - Vanek
Gerbe - Gaustad - Kaleta
Stafford - McCormick - Boyes
Ellis - Connolly - Grier

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04-23-2011, 06:00 AM
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Vanek-Connolly-Kaleta
Ennis-Niedermayer-Stafford
Gerbe-Gaustad-Mancari
Boyes-McCormick-Grier

I liked how the Gerbe-Gaustad-Mancari line was going for a while and I'd roll the dice on putting them back together.

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04-23-2011, 06:26 AM
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Gerbe - Connolly - Stafford
Ennis - Nieds - Vanek
Boyes - Goose - Kaleta
Ellis - McCormick - Grier

With Pommers out I would put vanek on the right wing. It has worked once.
Ellis in just because of the record with him in the lineup

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04-23-2011, 02:11 PM
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Yeah, that's excellent news. It makes me wonder why Ruff seemed so pessimistic though. I remember Goose got cut a couple years back and was out for a bit.
they maybe playing a wait and see, high risk of infection with that sort of injury and its location

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04-23-2011, 02:36 PM
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Vanek-Connolly-Kaleta
Ennis-Niedermayer-Stafford
Gerbe-Gaustad-Mancari
Boyes-McCormick-Grier

I liked how the Gerbe-Gaustad-Mancari line was going for a while and I'd roll the dice on putting them back together.

Why?

That line was going because of Gerbe and Goose. Mancari was essentially a placeholder on that line. He didn't hurt the line but really wasn't a factor in its success.

Gerbe/Goose/Kaleta have easily been our best line in this series. I get putting Vanek on that line to try and get him going. But there is no reason to put Mancari on that line when a FAR better option is available (Kaleta).

Adding Mancari's lack of speed, lack of physical play and lack of offense to that line (or even the lineup) is not exactly the type of move I want to see.

I'm glad Ellis got the call.

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04-23-2011, 03:26 PM
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Gerbe-Connolly-Stafford
Ennis-Nieds-Boyes
Vanek-Gaustad-Kaleta
Ellis-McCormick-Grier

I'd leave them as they've been, promote Boyes to Pominville's line & put Ellis on the 4th line with McCormick & Grier.

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04-23-2011, 04:37 PM
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Why?

That line was going because of Gerbe and Goose. Mancari was essentially a placeholder on that line. He didn't hurt the line but really wasn't a factor in its success.

Gerbe/Goose/Kaleta have easily been our best line in this series. I get putting Vanek on that line to try and get him going. But there is no reason to put Mancari on that line when a FAR better option is available (Kaleta).

Adding Mancari's lack of speed, lack of physical play and lack of offense to that line (or even the lineup) is not exactly the type of move I want to see.

I'm glad Ellis got the call.
Mancari: 20 gp 1g 7a -1 16 hits 8 blks
Ellis: 14 gp 0 g 0a -4 8 hits 7 blks

That's why I'd prefer Mancari to Ellis.

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Mancari: 20 gp 1g 7a -1 16 hits 8 blks
Ellis: 14 gp 0 g 0a -4 8 hits 7 blks

That's why I'd prefer Mancari to Ellis.
Put Ellis on a line with super hot Gerbe and he'd have a bunch of assists too.

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Put Ellis on a line with super hot Gerbe and he'd have a bunch of assists too.
Mancari assisted on goals by:

Luke Adam
Paul Gaustad
Nathan Gerbe (3)
Brad Boyes
Chris Butler

It wasn't all Gerbe. And, most of those assists were primary ones, FWIW.

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I think the Sabres need to replace Pominville with a forward who's better defensively than Mancari. I'd recall Ellis.
I agree with this sentiment. I've never been a big fan of Ellis but if we're going to close out this series, it's good to have guys who can buy into the defensive system we've been playing. I don't care if he can't score, as long as he's backchecking, blocking shots, and killing time with the puck along the wall than he's doing fine.

Vanek-Goose-Ennis
Gerbe-Niedermayer-Stafford
Kaleta-Connolly-Boyes
Ellis-McCormick-Grier

Gerbe-Nieds-Staff is a line where all three of the guys go right to the net and don't play around, I think they can produce.

Vanek-Goose-Ennis could be hit or miss. Ennis is a lot like Roy in that he's more of a stickhandler than a passer but Vanek doesen't need a guy to pass him the puck at this point, if he's in front of the net he's going to get every rebound.

Kaleta-Connolly-Boyes could give two former juniors teammates a chance to re-ignite their talent by going against the Flyers weakest D-pairings.

The fourth line is perfectly capable of playing shutdown on the Flyers.

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Put Ennis back with Vanek. I want to see that like last year again. Maybe

VCE line reunited.

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I hope Ruff moves Vanek off that line as well. But for Goose and Kaleta's sake.
Yeah, it was worth a shot to get Vanek going, but it doesn't seem to be working.


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Put Ennis back with Vanek. I want to see that like last year again. Maybe

VCE line reunited.
Worth as shot.

Gerbe-Gaustad-Kaleta
Vanek-Connolly-Ennis
Ellis-Niedermayer-Stafford
Boyes-McCormick-Grier

Or maybe swap Connoly / Niedermayer.

If we can score early and get a lead, Ellis is going to be a huge help in maintaining puck possession, spending quality time in the Flyers zone, and running out the clock. Might even want to put him on a line with Grier, since if I remember right they were 2 of 3 parts on a very successful puck possession line for a good chunk of last season.

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I guess the question is, what to do with Boyes? He was brutal. Can we trust Mancari to jump into a scoring role. I really want to keep Gerbe/Goose/Kaleta together this time.
I think TBN's blog pretty much summed up the most logical move after Ellis was recalled:

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The Sabres, in need of a forward after losing right wing Jason Pominville to a leg laceration Friday night, have recalled center Matt Ellis from Portland. The move will allow Brad Boyes to shift from the middle to his natural right wing position for Sunday's potential series-clinching game against the Flyers.
http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...ery-close.html

Boyes could shift to the wing if Ellis assumes a center spot - and one would think that by losing one of his key penalty killers (Pominville) in a penalty-filled series, Ruff would rather insert Ellis in than Mancari.

Right now, with Boyes in the biggest funk, I'd put him with the two hardest working players at the moment:

Vanek-Connolly-Stafford
Gerbe-Gaustad-Boyes
Ennis-Niedermayer-Kaleta
McCormick-Ellis-Grier

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