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Major Junior Flops

Who are some players that may have been highly recruited prior to joining the CHL that never panned out?

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Alex Forsberg.

First overall in WHL bantam draft. Wont even have a pro career in hockey. Not even ECHL or AHL.

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Maybe not the best example, but Luke Kirwan? Everything just seemed to go wrong for him after he joined the CHL.

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Sean Day has been a solid OHLer, but has been pretty disappointing for a kid granted exceptional player status.

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Luke Kirwin is a good example


Patrick McNeill
Oskar Dansk
Mattia Marcantuoni

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John McFarland. Tried getting exceptional status but was denied. Was 1st overall in OHL draft. Now a bust.

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Luke Kirwin is a good example


Patrick McNeill
Oskar Dansk
Mattia Marcantuoni
Kirwan and Marcantuoni fit the description but McNeill was a over a point per game dman in his draft+1 and draft+2 years and Dansk was top 10 in save percentage in his second year with Erie and had the displeasure of playing on a really bad Erie team the year before. Those are good junior careers even if they haven't panned out at the next level.

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Blake Clarke:
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=121997

Came into the OHL with a lot of hype & lived up to his rookie year then dropped like a rock his NHL draft year was traded then ultimately not selected in the NHL draft. He was pretty much a below average junior player the rest of his junior career. He retired from hockey this summer instead of playing his overage year.

2012-2013: 73GP 22G 35A 57P 0.78PPG
2013-2016: 155GP 17G 28A 45P 0.29PPG

He scored more in his 15-16 year old rookie season than he did in his 17-20 year old seasons (three seasons during that time period) altogether.


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After Crosby, Brandon Street and Ben Duffy had major Bantam hype out of Dartmouth. From the WHL, I remember the Dale Hunt talk. Ryan Kerr was a pretty terrible 1st overall Bantam draft pick as well.

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I thought Brent Benson was gonna be a player. Drafted 6th in the WHL I believe in 2008. Had a tryout with Carolina when he didn't get drafted. Don't know what happened to him.

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Kabanov was viewed as a top 5 player NHL draft player when he was drafted in the import draft.

Most of the notables have been mentioned. Alex Forsberg, Clarke, and McFarland. Ho-Sang was a massive disappointment for Windsor considering the hype but wasn't a bust.

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Angelo Esposito and Rob Schremp not mentioned? Wow...

Also the way the OP is worded is confusing... do you mean flopped in the CHL, or flopped after the CHL?

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After Crosby, Brandon Street and Ben Duffy had major Bantam hype out of Dartmouth. From the WHL, I remember the Dale Hunt talk. Ryan Kerr was a pretty terrible 1st overall Bantam draft pick as well.
I played against Duffy growing up and saw his rise as being the 3rd or 4th best kid in Sackville to being the best out of the province but his junior career was pretty fantastic. 3 80+ point years including a 110 point year is really impressive even though he didn't get to the next level. His NHL draft year was definitely one that hurt him though.

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Angelo Esposito and Rob Schremp not mentioned? Wow...

Also the way the OP is worded is confusing... do you mean flopped in the CHL, or flopped after the CHL?
In the CHL. Which is exactly not whay happened to Esposito and Schremp

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Nathan Noel
Nope, he has been near a point a game player for 3 years in the QMJHL now.

However, another 3rd overall pick from the Rock, Colin Escott, was a huge flop.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89472

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Nathan Noel

4th round NHL...lol...thats a hell of a bust chummy

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Nathan Noel
I mean, he got drafted in the 4th round at like 5'10, could be a key piece to a championship team in Saint John this season too. Sure he didn't meet expectations but he certainly was not a flop in Major Junior, he's been just below point per game the past 3 years.

Forsberg is a good example recently, as is Brandon Shea. He came into the Q with very high expectations, and was seen as one of the top 95 Americans, only to have 19 total Q points over parts of 3 seasons in the league. I can remember people thinking he and Erne would have similar impacts.

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John McFarland. Tried getting exceptional status but was denied. Was 1st overall in OHL draft. Now a bust.

Yeah he's probably the poster-boy for CHL Bust ..Although.. just checked and I'll be damned if he didn't play 3 games in the NHL last year!!!?.lol...and That's more than 99.99% of all hockey players can say so good on him

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I played against Duffy growing up and saw his rise as being the 3rd or 4th best kid in Sackville to being the best out of the province but his junior career was pretty fantastic. 3 80+ point years including a 110 point year is really impressive even though he didn't get to the next level. His NHL draft year was definitely one that hurt him though.
Along with Dart and Orr that age group was something. I can remember even after Duffy got the exception some people still thought Dart was the better player. Clarke was a very physically mature player too and had speed and strength in abundance. I assume those are the 3 you're talking about.

Never got the chance to play against Duffy but I played against the others and they were definitely the top competition I faced, I took about 6-7 draws against Dart and lost them all, Dart had 6 goals in a 7-0 win and Orr had 6 assists. Clarke injured one of our best players on a massive hit. Wasn't our best game.

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Steven Anthony.

I swear, this guy was presumably 1st overall talent (in the Q draft) and the next Joe Thornton. He never reached a PPG in a season.

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Nope, he has been near a point a game player for 3 years in the QMJHL now.

However, another 3rd overall pick from the Rock, Colin Escott, was a huge flop.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89472
Gatineau, despite being quite successful on the ice, made some major reaches at the draft around that time. Pier-Alexandre Poulin (5th overall, 9 career QMJHL goals) and Travis Stacey (13th overall, 9 career points) are big, tough guys who went nowhere.

A couple other guys who went very high in their junior draft and flopped:

- Mitch Gaulton: fourth overall after Stamkos, Del Zotto and Pietrangelo, and in a first round OHL draft that also featured Hodgson, Kadri and Bogosian. Injuries a factor in a middling OHL career.

- Steven Shipley: went third overall in the McFarland draft, ahead of Gudbranson, Spooner, Toffoli, DSP, Seguin and Saad. Solid OHL career and got drafted, but seemed to peak at 17 and ended up in CIS.

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In the CHL. Which is exactly not whay happened to Esposito and Schremp
Ah ok, makes a lot more sense now.

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Along with Dart and Orr that age group was something. I can remember even after Duffy got the exception some people still thought Dart was the better player. Clarke was a very physically mature player too and had speed and strength in abundance. I assume those are the 3 you're talking about.

Never got the chance to play against Duffy but I played against the others and they were definitely the top competition I faced, I took about 6-7 draws against Dart and lost them all, Dart had 6 goals in a 7-0 win and Orr had 6 assists. Clarke injured one of our best players on a massive hit. Wasn't our best game.
Yup those are the ones. Dart was the almost always seen as the best with Orr basically being the number 2 guy. Dart was a monster in minor hockey. Just never took it seriously and got involved in less productive stuff. Then once bantam hit Duffy took off and really committed himself to off-ice training too. I remember playing in a 3-on-3 summer league that year with Orr and Duffy on my team, I don't think we lost that summer. Good times.

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