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08-30-2014, 10:44 AM
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Top Shelf Prospects Presents Organizational Rankings (and top 55 prospects)

We have done a team by-team look around at the top prospects in the NHL and today release our top 30.

Installment 1, #30-11
http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/08/...nhl-prospects/

Installment 2, the top 10
http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/08/...nhl-prospects/

We planned 30, but people wanted more so heres 31-55
http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/09/...ospects-31-50/

Part One of the Organizational Rankings
http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/09/...ankings-30-21/

Part Two of the Organizational Rankings
http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/09/...ankings-20-11/

Top Ten of the Organizational Rankings
http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/09/...nkings-top-10/


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08-30-2014, 11:14 AM
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good write up.
Hertl has played LW not RW...and should probably be in the top 10 :p

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Why is Hertl included in the top-30 prospects. Didn't he already make his bones last season?

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Dumba is too high and De La Rose ahead of Zadorov is very odd to me. Same with Risto at 11. I can't think of 10 better prospects tbh.

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Why is Hertl included in the top-30 prospects. Didn't he already make his bones last season?
Our cutoff 50 NHL games or 25th birthday... He hasn't hit either.

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Im a little surprised at how low Griffin Reinhart is.

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I think Ritchie is a good bit too high.

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not a fan of these rankings at all tbh

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not a fan of these rankings at all tbh
What part are you not a fan of?

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Dumba is too high and De La Rose ahead of Zadorov is very odd to me. Same with Risto at 11. I can't think of 10 better prospects tbh.
Agree with all of this. Especially Dumba and I also cant wait to see who they think is better than Risto.

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What part are you not a fan of?
Nylander is rated lower than Dumba and Horvat

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Agree with all of this. Especially Dumba and I also cant wait to see who they think is better than Risto.
Its not that hard to figure out.

The top 4 picks of the 2014 Draft.
2 Goalies.
2 Euro Centres who made their NHL debuts late last season.
A recent third overall pick who put up over 2 PPG last season.
A highly drafted centre who scored 18 points in 37 games in his NHL debut at 20 years old.

Now figure out the order.

Those ten guys are pretty damn good prospects.

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Its not that hard to figure out.

The top 4 picks of the 2014 Draft.
2 Goalies.
2 Euro Centres who made their NHL debuts late last season.
A recent third overall pick who put up over 2 PPG last season.
A highly drafted centre who scored 18 points in 37 games in his NHL debut at 20 years old.

Now figure out the order.

Those ten guys are pretty damn good prospects.
Strome!


Drouin
Ekblad
Kuznetsov
S.Reinhart
Strome
Gibson
Teravainen
Bennett
Vaselevski
Draisaitl

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Im a little surprised at how low Griffin Reinhart is.
He is an Islanders player. He can't be any good until he is on another teams roster. He is the best defenseman coming into the league.

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He is an Islanders player. He can't be any good until he is on another teams roster. He is the best defenseman coming into the league.
I didn't say that, but I def think he gets underrated...

I always try my best to remain objective but with Reinhart its hard because Im extremely high on him.

I have seen so much of him, more than any other isles prospect so maybe that makes me bias because I have seen him dominate in the whl.

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Its not that hard to figure out.

The top 4 picks of the 2014 Draft.
2 Goalies.
2 Euro Centres who made their NHL debuts late last season.
A recent third overall pick who put up over 2 PPG last season.
A highly drafted centre who scored 18 points in 37 games in his NHL debut at 20 years old.

Now figure out the order.

Those ten guys are pretty damn good prospects.
Yeah, if you're making a top 10 list, I think the majority of them are going to have some combination of those guys. The only real question is the order.

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From what I've personally see from Dumbia, I wouldn't bank on top 2D ability... His reads both defensively and offensively are so bad... I mean he has a rocket of a shot, decent puck rushing ability, and open ice hitting ability, however his hockey sense to know how to utilize those tools is always lacking, and it just seems the other team gets way more scoring chances than his team when he's on the ice.

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Yeah, if you're making a top 10 list, I think the majority of them are going to have some combination of those guys. The only real question is the order.
The order in my opinion is as follows:

Drouin
Vasilevski
Ekblad
S.Reinhart
Draisaitl
Kuznetsov
Bennett
Strome
Gibson
Teravainen

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I didn't say that, but I def think he gets underrated...

I always try my best to remain objective but with Reinhart its hard because Im extremely high on him.

I have seen so much of him, more than any other isles prospect so maybe that makes me bias because I have seen him dominate in the whl.
From what I have seen of him, he is a dominant shut down defenseman. He can add the pop on offense too, especially in meaningful games. He is very underrated. And i am saying he will be the best defenseman (most important to their respective teams) of the rookie class. If he were in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver he would be very highly touted!

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Ranking goalies and skating together is a crap shoot. Tenders development curve is completely ****ed and borderline impossible to predict. I don't agree with any of them in the top 2 unless they are literally great's like Lundqvist or Hasek or something.

i don't think Vasilevski or Gibson are on that level. Nor do I agree with Draisaitl above Risto.

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Ranking goalies and skating together is a crap shoot. Tenders development curve is completely ****ed and borderline impossible to predict. I don't agree with any of them in the top 2 unless they are literally great's like Lundqvist or Hasek or something.

i don't think Vasilevski or Gibson are on that level. Nor do I agree with Draisaitl above Risto.
Anytime you make a list, others will disagree. You can't get everyone to agree on player value. We all have differing opinions. The fastest way to get internet hate is to make a numbered list.

That said, I really don't think its outrageous to have either Vasilevski or Gibson in the top 10, nor do I think Draisatl above Ristolainen is outrageous either as some posters above (not you) seem to be suggesting.

Its not like we've published something crazy like naming, I don't know, name out of a hat here.... Connor Crisp as a top 10 prospect.

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Anytime you make a list, others will disagree. You can't get everyone to agree on player value. We all have differing opinions. The fastest way to get internet hate is to make a numbered list.

That said, I really don't think its outrageous to have either Vasilevski or Gibson in the top 10, nor do I think Draisatl above Ristolainen is outrageous either as some posters above (not you) seem to be suggesting.

Its not like we've published something crazy like naming, I don't know, name out of a hat here.... Connor Crisp as a top 10 prospect.
I'm not trying to be condescending or anything. Apologies if I come across as so.

About Gibson and Vasi, I don't mind having them above of Risto, I just don't agree with actually having them in a ranking. 4 years ago you would've had Lehner and Markstrom in this list, guaranteed. Look where they are know. One will likely get waived and the other is a 1B on a bubble team. It's still early for them but it goes to show how hard it is to project goalies. It's why if I ever do a prospect ranking I'd have skaters and goalies separated because it's virtually impossible to combine both in my eyes. Too many questions.

Once again apologies if I sound like an ass or something, not my intention.

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I don't agree with Dumba, Ritchie or Wennberg being ahead of Nylander personally.

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I'm not trying to be condescending or anything. Apologies if I come across as so.

About Gibson and Vasi, I don't mind having them above of Risto, I just don't agree with actually having them in a ranking. 4 years ago you would've had Lehner and Markstrom in this list, guaranteed. Look where they are know. One will likely get waived and the other is a 1B on a bubble team. It's still early for them but it goes to show how hard it is to project goalies. It's why if I ever do a prospect ranking I'd have skaters and goalies separated because it's virtually impossible to combine both in my eyes. Too many questions.

Once again apologies if I sound like an ass or something, not my intention.
No need to apologize.... I said " (not you) " in my post for a reason.

I thought your posts were examples of more reasonable discussions, with reasoning for why you disagreed, and a respectful way of saying it.

Some others are either saying something like:

"I disagree with this guy over this guy." My response: "Thats great and all but you haven't told me anything. Why do you disagree? What have you seen out of these two players that it makes you feel this way? Anytime you have a list like this, people will disagree, its natural."

Or others who have been saying things like its crazy to have ten guys ahead of Ristolainen. (or someone who said in comments on another board that Not having Mantha in the top 10 is a crime). Why are those opinions crazy? What makes them outrageous?

I have no problem with people disagreeing. If we want to disagree, lets discuss why.

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Fair enough.

I'd like to know why you feel De La Rose is ahead of Zadorov? That was the one placement that jumped out at me.

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