HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Buffalo Sabres
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Defense Inconsistency....

View Poll Results: Why is the defense so inconsistent
Lack of Skill 10 28.57%
Youth 24 68.57%
Poor Coaching 1 2.86%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-25-2011, 09:18 AM
  #1
TehDoak
General Zad
 
TehDoak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 19,032
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to TehDoak
Defense Inconsistency....

I think this series has been a picture of how inconsistent our D has been this year. Some games (like game 1), everyone has stepped up and been able to shut down the flyers.

It seems period to period, I don't know how that defense is going to play. Now, some of this is to Philly's credit. They have done a good job at applying pressure. However, I have to think that some of it is on our side as well

TehDoak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 09:29 AM
  #2
Clock
Moderator
 
Clock's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Buffalo
Country: United States
Posts: 20,760
vCash: 500
At some point the offense has to share responsibility for their (in)ability to keep it out of our side of the ice as well...

Clock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 09:38 AM
  #3
jlr
\m/o.o\m/
 
jlr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,095
vCash: 500
Our vets lack skill - Montador, ShaMo and Leopold have all looked like **** at times this series. A guy like Lydman would be a godsend on the backend right now.

The kids are.. kids. Grags has played admirably, Myers has been decent and at least mean and physical. Weber, Butler... inconsistent. A healthy Sekera would be great, but sounds like he won't be back this series.

We're still paying for the sins of the previous owners - on D, and at forward. Lack of depth at center is still hurting us, and even worse, the Ghost of Danny Briere continues to haunt us.

With the injuries we have, and the opponent we're up against, I have a hard time faulting Lindy for much of anything right now, as we head into a game 7 against one of the deepest teams in the East with a roster full of AHL players and NHL journeyman.

jlr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 09:44 AM
  #4
Myllz
ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF
 
Myllz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Seattle
Country: United States
Posts: 13,866
vCash: 500
Youth. Every defense pairing this team has includes a player under 25. Our top pair are both under 25. They have skill, they just don't have the pose you would like out of a rock solid defense. Personally I think they'll gain it if they continue playing together. You have three definite young guys going into next season that now have some real playoff experience (Myers, Butler and Weber) and a possible fourth in Grags. Their experience this season and another full regular season next year should put them in a pretty decent spot for the playoffs next season.

That said, this team absolutely needs a veteran or two. Leopold's been good, but they need a veteran defensive defenseman in free agency, ideally two.

Myllz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 10:38 AM
  #5
aceface33
Registered User
 
aceface33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Herkimer, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 8,039
vCash: 500
When you are relying on Butler to eat minutes you're going to run into some problems. He's played admirably but this was a guy who was stuck in the pressbox for 30 games this year. I think in a year or two these young guys are going to be the strength of the team but at this point they just can't hold up in the face of sustained Philly pressure.

aceface33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 10:50 AM
  #6
Play4Miracles*
1 nation under Oil
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 5,241
vCash: 500
If it wasn't for the play of this "young, inexperienced" defense, there would not be playoff hockey let alone a Game 7 with the #2 seed. Myers, Weber, and Gragnani have played huge and with more grit and poise than ANYBODY on the Flyers blue line. ANY ONE OF THEM. Butler had a bad game, and he's had his pocket picked in this series a few times. It's been tough sledding out there for him but expect a more determined and focused effort from Butler in Game 7. We need him at his best and he just has to put this game behind him and refocus his energy into a positive outcome for himself and his team. Anybody can struggle, young or old, experienced or inexperienced.

And I'll tell you this, I wouldn't trade that Sabres blue line group for that Flyers group EVER. Not ever.

Play4Miracles* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 11:28 AM
  #7
Play4Miracles*
1 nation under Oil
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 5,241
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clock View Post
At some point the offense has to share responsibility for their (in)ability to keep it out of our side of the ice as well...
Agreed, only Gaustad's line had any kind of sustained zone time in game 6. Boyes has 0 points in 6 games, and that is beyond unacceptable for a player of his talents. Vanek and Stafford could have buried the Flyers and this series but missed their chances.

Everybody has to play their best game of the year for the Flyers to win Game 7, even Miller.

Play4Miracles* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 11:32 AM
  #8
fightclubber25
Registered User
 
fightclubber25's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 932
vCash: 500
chris butler is playing at another level right now.. but playoff games/series are a grind and his lack of awareness/composure is going to show its ugly head every once in a while..

overall, i think out D plays a great system and if you watch close theyre always making the right, smart, perfect decisions for the first 10 minutes of the game then some of them (montador, butler, occasionally myers) take mental vacations for a few shifts and leave their team mates out to dry.

i like our system but for a few guys i think its about maturity and a few others i think its just about skill not being there.

imo locks going forward: gragnani, myers, leopold, sekera, maybe weber. if we can pick up two stud stay at home guys i think this team will be dominant defensively next year.

fightclubber25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 11:45 AM
  #9
joshjull
Moderator
 
joshjull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Hamburg,NY
Country: United States
Posts: 35,311
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fightclubber25 View Post
chris butler is playing at another level right now.. but playoff games/series are a grind and his lack of awareness/composure is going to show its ugly head every once in a while..

overall, i think out D plays a great system and if you watch close theyre always making the right, smart, perfect decisions for the first 10 minutes of the game then some of them (montador, butler, occasionally myers) take mental vacations for a few shifts and leave their team mates out to dry.

i like our system but for a few guys i think its about maturity and a few others i think its just about skill not being there.

imo locks going forward: gragnani, myers, leopold, sekera, maybe weber. if we can pick up two stud stay at home guys i think this team will be dominant defensively next year.
Thats my take as well.


I would love to see at least 1 (preferably 2) top 4, vet, mobile, defensive dman acquired in the offseason.

joshjull is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 12:00 PM
  #10
mechaphil
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BFLO
Country: United States
Posts: 1,133
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to mechaphil
4 of the 6 in the line-up (Myers, MAG, Weber, Butler) and 5 of the 7 d-men used this playoffs (the aforementioned + Sekera) are all 24 or younger. Mistakes are going to happen.

mechaphil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 12:07 PM
  #11
HockeyTerror
Registered User
 
HockeyTerror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Rochester, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 879
vCash: 500
Mostly youth and some skill. The kids are getting invaluable experience in this little run and Kudos to them for what they have contributed. There have difinately been some miscues along the way, but that is to be expected against the forwards they are being subjected to. I don't have much hope for game 7 without 3 of our best defensive forwards unless our "skilled" forwards find a renewed sense of defense to help the youth out. At this point, if they're gonna win, it's going to be another 1-0 win.

HockeyTerror is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 12:49 PM
  #12
Corto
Faceless Man
 
Corto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Braavos
Country: Croatia
Posts: 13,100
vCash: 500
They're young and they're inconsistant.

Sekera, Butler and Weber are coming off 1.5 half mediocre-to-bad seasons.

Sekera found it early, then hit a bump in the road, then found his game again and got injured.

Butler looked weak in the early part of the season, but has been a rock down the stretch, and even though he had some rough moments in games 5 & 6, still easily the best Buffalo defenseman in this series.

Weber came back from a real bad season with a strong one and, yeah, he had some bad games, but overall, he's been very good.

Gragnani showed up, and I honestly thought he was gonna be so bad defensively that he won't be a regular NHLer... Yet, he's held his own, played decent defensive hockey and contributed offensively.

Monty and Leo started out strong, then fizzled out as the season went on... Injuries, inconsistency, etc.
Leo wasn't all that good defensively even when he was racking up points.

ShaMo... Is just a bad signing IMO, I said it at the time, and he's not shown anything to defer me from that opinion.

They miss a Lydman, badly. Still can't believe Golisano/Quinn would rather have Leo than Loods at that price. /shrug

...

Anyway, point is...
They're young, they've had injury issues, playing in new roles, and even if they don't beat the Flyers in game 7, I think with a good veteran defensive D-man addition, they'll be real solid in the future.

Corto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 12:59 PM
  #13
Ron Barr
Doing it to Death
 
Ron Barr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: bdddddddet
Posts: 5,820
vCash: 500
I think our poor defensive play has as much to do with the forwards as it does the D. Our forwards don't support the D when breaking out, so the D don't know what to do with the puck and can't react with three Flyers forwards swarming them. And all of the Flyers being wide open in our zone shows that our D is panicking too much. They're trying to just get the puck and get it out, instead of being smart and making sure they at least have a guy covered. Philly is too skilled of a team to just collapse on in your own zone, that strategy works against Boston but not against this team.

Ron Barr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 01:34 PM
  #14
Timbo Slice
Tank Nation
 
Timbo Slice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Rochester
Country: United States
Posts: 15,714
vCash: 500
Some guys are just really young. And for others, it really is just a lack of skill. We need some high end talent on the backend. Myers, Butler, Grags, Sekera, and Weber are all very exciting, and probably part of the future, but we need one more top 2 defenseman in there before we're a Cup contender.

Timbo Slice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 02:17 PM
  #15
ct2111
Registered User
 
ct2111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,901
vCash: 500
The vets that are supposed to stabilize the defense are either playing hurt (Leopold) or simply playing crappy (Montador, Morrisonn).

The young guys have to play all way beyond their capabilities because of that. Butler shouldn't be playing 25+ top-pairing minutes, Gragnani shouldn't be playing 22+ minutes on any night, Myers would be served better with an experienced shutdown guy ont the top-pairing and Weber is getting dragged down by Montador.

Frankly I don't think the young players are the issue, they are simply asked to do way more than they should because the vets have been disappointments in the playoffs and if you ask a guy like Butler to play nearly half a game, he will have his brainfarts at some point.

Imagine the line-up with a solidified Leopold-Montador like in the first half of the season that can eat 20+ minutes without being a liability, then you only need to split 80- minutes between Myers, Butler, Gragnani and Weber. Big difference there.

This defense could look at lot better with an unspectactalur minute-eating d-man *cough* Lydman *cough* .

ct2111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 02:46 PM
  #16
Moskau
Registered User
 
Moskau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Western New York
Posts: 11,311
vCash: 500
Our defense in the series thus far has hinged on Chris Butler and that's a very scary thing. When he's been on we've looked alright and when he's been off we've looked terrible.

Moskau is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 05:56 PM
  #17
JOHNBOY
BUFFALO SABRES
 
JOHNBOY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Denver NC
Country: United States
Posts: 10,155
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to JOHNBOY
I voted "youth".

I will be very happy if we keep this core together or years to come, I would like to see one more Rightie added to the mix. I wish Montador didn't have so much hiccups otherwise it could be him.

I could see Darcy trying to acquire Cory Sarich, would be fitting considering his love-affair for former Calgary defenders ..

Butler-Myers
Leopold-Sarich
Sekera-Weber
Gragnani

I bet Montador ends up in Toronto, Not so sure about Morrisonn though..

JOHNBOY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-25-2011, 06:07 PM
  #18
Weird Fish
Registered User
 
Weird Fish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: follow where u lead
Country: United States
Posts: 1,774
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Weird Fish
There's no consistent, veteran defensive d-man on this team who's capable handling 20+ minutes a night against top competition. Not one.

The vets are just flat out not good enough to handle those kinds of minutes. The youth are too green. Even if they were in their prime, I don't think players like Weber or Gragnani will ever be capable of that anyway.

I think we got away with it for a lot of the season due to being well coached, but in the playoffs you've simply gotta have the horses in place, and we don't.

Weird Fish is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:18 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.