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06-02-2011, 10:08 PM
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Who Dallas should go after:
Wisniewski - Right-handed shot, plays physical and would complement Goligoski on the point. However, his demands might be a tad bit too high.
Babchuck - Kind of like Wiz, except not as physical. I think he'll be a lot cheaper than Wiz.
Vandermeer - Someone mentioned this. I think he would make a great depth D-man (way better than Woywitka). Plays with an edge, can fight and is a solid defensive D-man.

Grossman-Robidas
Goligoski-*Wisniewski/*Babchuck
Fistric-Daley
Vandermeer

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06-02-2011, 11:39 PM
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Possible forward targets for various roles throughout the lineup, in no particular order:

Tim Connolly
Michael Ryder
Boyd Gordon
Radim Vrbata
Tomas Fleischmann
Vinny Prospal
Jussi Jokinen
Mike Grier
Tomas Kopecky
Vern Fiddler
Raffi Torres
Ville Leino
Jamie Lundmark
Zenon Konopka
Chuck Kobasew
Mark Mancari (possible "Quadruple A" player...could be worth a look)



*The above list was compiled using CapGeek's list of UFA players so if I included somebody already extended or signed overseas, I blame them. Depending on if we're looking at a top 6 player or a bottom 6 guy the requirements are obviously somewhat different. However, in either case the ability to win faceoffs is a plus; for the bottom 6 guys it may be a necessity. I'm really interested in seeing what Boyd Gordon would cost for 2-3 years as a bottom 6 guy who is badass at faceoffs and can kill penalties. Jussi would be nice to have up front but maybe a guy like Leino would be a cheaper substitute? I'm not sure. Thoughts?

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06-03-2011, 12:53 AM
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I hate to bring it up but we should really consider someone who is above average at the shootout, we are ****ing horrible at it.

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06-03-2011, 01:03 AM
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I think Tim Connolly would be a good fit with you guys .

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06-03-2011, 01:19 AM
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Just what we need, another collapse because we have a bunch of injury prone players. I want to stay far far away from Connolly, even though I think he's a great and talented player.

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06-03-2011, 03:19 AM
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Who Dallas should go after:
Wisniewski - Right-handed shot, plays physical and would complement Goligoski on the point. However, his demands might be a tad bit too high.
Babchuck - Kind of like Wiz, except not as physical. I think he'll be a lot cheaper than Wiz.
Vandermeer - Someone mentioned this. I think he would make a great depth D-man (way better than Woywitka). Plays with an edge, can fight and is a solid defensive D-man.

Grossman-Robidas
Goligoski-*Wisniewski/*Babchuck
Fistric-Daley
Vandermeer
As someone who watched both come up thru Hawks system Babchuk and Wisniewski are not at all that similiar

Wisniewski is a hard nosed physical offensive dmen who is good skater and good defensively but prone to errors going for big hit

Babchuk is a PP specilist who is average defensively and an above average skater. Also doesn't use his size often

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06-03-2011, 11:01 AM
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Mark Mancari, after talking to some Buffalo fans, seems like Brandon Segal to me. I'd rather just re-sign the guy your familiar with. Segal wasn't anything special, but I'd take him over the risk/reward of Mancari I think.

Still, the better option might just be to promote from within in that role. If Gulutzan (sp?) is the head coach, I imagine Colton Sceviour will be in the NHL next season. Based on the recent HF article and listening to the games, he does seem to be his go to guy in Austin in many key situations. It'd be nice to have another right shot faceoff guy as well. Plus, that'd open up even more key situations for Glennie (Vincour maybe) to play in down in Austin.

Morrow-Ribeiro-FA
Eriksson at LW or RW with Benn and a FA
Ott-Wandell-Burish
Petersen/Wathier/Barch-FA/Gagnon/Petersen/Sceviour-Sceviour/FA/Sawada

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06-03-2011, 05:23 PM
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Just what we need, another collapse because we have a bunch of injury prone players. I want to stay far far away from Connolly, even though I think he's a great and talented player.
I agree with the sentiment to an extent. The caveat being that he is injury prone and that may mean he could be cheaper. In that case it could be a pretty decent reward for the risk. I actually expect this to happen, maybe not with Connolly but with a player with question marks.

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06-03-2011, 05:37 PM
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I agree with the sentiment to an extent. The caveat being that he is injury prone and that may mean he could be cheaper. In that case it could be a pretty decent reward for the risk. I actually expect this to happen, maybe not with Connolly but with a player with question marks.
Mike Danton anyone?

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06-05-2011, 11:36 AM
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Wiz please. We need Bieksa, Joe has to throw him money and beat everybody out. With Dillon coming up we have to have somebody who can teach him how to be nasty. We haven't had anything like that since Hatcher.

Also Ryder would be awesome to have. He'd make ribs a morrow a great number 1 line. Have physicality, amazing passing, and a great shot from the right.

With 2 great signings the look of the team changes tremendously and for well under the cap.

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06-05-2011, 12:55 PM
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Wiz please. We need Bieksa, Joe has to throw him money and beat everybody out. With Dillon coming up we have to have somebody who can teach him how to be nasty. We haven't had anything like that since Hatcher.
I don't like Bieksa for the same reasons that fans of other teams dislike Ott. Bieksa also has a tendency to take dumb and ill-timed penalties. However, he's the type of defenseman that this team needs. He's a right shot defenseman who can play more than 20 minutes per game and plays with an edge. I can see him being paired with Goligoski. If the Canucks win the Cup I think he'll go into FA looking for a payday and the Stars will be spending money to reach the cap floor.

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Also Ryder would be awesome to have. He'd make ribs a morrow a great number 1 line. Have physicality, amazing passing, and a great shot from the right.

With 2 great signings the look of the team changes tremendously and for well under the cap.
Ryder or Jokinen would be a good signing. Hopefully they'll also go after someone like Hall or Konopka for face-offs and depth.

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06-05-2011, 01:05 PM
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I think Ryder is a better option than Jokinen, unless Jokinen plays the right side as well. Getting two players from two teams that went to the cup finals definitely couldn't hurt. I think even with his flaws Bieksa would be good for this team.

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06-05-2011, 01:12 PM
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Bieksa is as good of a fit for this team as there is out there in free agency.

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06-05-2011, 01:18 PM
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Don't see why it has to be an either/or thing with Ryder and Jussi. We need 2 top-6 talent forwards. Between them they play all 3 forward positions.

Add in Shane O'Brien and that's a great haul that will never happen in a million years because we're the Stars.

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06-05-2011, 03:02 PM
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Depending on what either player will cost if a choice must be made between Jussi and Ryder I go Jussi, easily. Ryder seems to bring some things we could use but listening to Bruins fans who don't sound like they'll miss him too much at least makes me cautious about him. In all likelihood Jussi would play with Benn and Eriksson so him being a lefty doesn't hurt anything at all. Like piqued says though, it needn't necessarily be an either/or thing with those two guys.

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Where everybody at for salary cutoff on Bieksa? 5mil?

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06-05-2011, 04:03 PM
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Where everybody at for salary cutoff on Bieksa? 5mil?
4.5-4.75 would probably be fair but probably going to have to pay him near 5 after the playoffs hes had, I think he would be worth it though for us our D would look something like
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06-05-2011, 04:32 PM
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Based on past seasons i think he'll be looking at 5 mil as well. He's a proven playoff defenseman now, add that with his grit and he's a solid pick up for us.

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I'd be hesitant to pay Bieksa 5 mil./yr considering he hasn't played an 82 game season for the last 4 years. It's clear his physical play is messing up his ability to stay healthy. But with his emergence in the playoffs I can see someone overpaying for him.

For depth, I'd like to the Stars to sign Boyd Gordon (faceoff and PK specialist) and Jim Vandermeer (physical depth D-man).

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06-05-2011, 08:19 PM
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For depth, I'd like to the Stars to sign Boyd Gordon (faceoff and PK specialist) and Jim Vandermeer (physical depth D-man).
Glad to see I'm not the only one. We've needed a guy like him for a while now.

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I'd be hesitant to pay Bieksa 5 mil./yr considering he hasn't played an 82 game season for the last 4 years. It's clear his physical play is messing up his ability to stay healthy. But with his emergence in the playoffs I can see someone overpaying for him.

For depth, I'd like to the Stars to sign Boyd Gordon (faceoff and PK specialist) and Jim Vandermeer (physical depth D-man).
Bieska was the whipping boy of the canucks not that long ago. We could definitely use a player like he has been this year, but im very skeptical about whether or not we'd get the current Bieska or the one canucks fans wanted run out of town.

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You have to remember that very, very few of Bieksa's injuries are something you'd worry about.

2 times, he's suffered a freak, leg laceration caused by a skate. That accounts for 27 games and 47 games missed in 2 different seasons. You don't look at that injury and think it's something you need to worry about.

He's missed games twice by breaking his foot blocking a shot. Once he missed 7 games and the other 15 games. That's a necessary risk for a guy like Bieksa. The same goes for Adam Burish. You love that they throw their body in front of a slap shot, but this is going to happen sometimes.

1 game was the flu ... guys get sick, and another game for personal reasons (I don't recall what that was about).

He missed three playoff games in his first full season, but the official reason why was never mentioned.

The only true red flag injury was a knee that only kept him out 3 games.

When you consider the nature of the games missed, you don't ... or at least I don't ... see a guy who is injury prone. He's had 2 really unlucky run ins with a skate. Beyond that .... his injury history is not significant.

I think there are some legitimate reasons you could say Dallas should avoid Kevin Bieksa, but injuries doesn't seem like one.

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Some more new stuff from heika and Joe about the Offseason

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``I think we need a top six forward,'' Nieuwendyk said. ``Maybe we get there through trade, too. I think the opportunity through trade is probably a more likely scenario than overpaying through free agency.''
What would we trade to accomplish this? Goose for Neal?

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``This year is skinny, but there are some areas that we can look at that can be very helpful for us as far as our depth. One of the things last year, I felt our depth was not good.
Sounds good though we had a good top six last year but our depth was really struggling production wise

Stepneski also said he was likely going to look for defense through trades as well instead of free agency

I find it somewhat confusing because how are we going to trade for a high end defenseman/top 6 forward without sacrificing the future and/or the present

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What would we trade to accomplish this? Goose for Neal?



Sounds good though we had a good top six last year but our depth was really struggling production wise

Stepneski also said he was likely going to look for defense through trades as well instead of free agency

I find it somewhat confusing because how are we going to trade for a high end defenseman/top 6 forward without sacrificing the future and/or the present
i really hope we old onto our promising prospects. Im willing to sit through a couple more crappy seasons if it means not mortgaging the future

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