I don't want to trade Quick, and I'm not saying he should be moved before Bernier.
It just depends on what team you're trying to make a deal with. If it's Philly, they'd probably have more interest in Quick, if it's New Jersey they probably have more interest Bernier. You don't trade either goalie unless you can get a hefty return, AND get an adequate replacement goalie. Vokoun/Bryz would be an adequate replacement for Quick, if you can't sign one of those two, you don't trade Quick.
If we trade Quick, why would we sign Vokoun/Bryz if we have Bernier waiting? Sorry if it sounds like I'm flaming you every post
A trade with Philly would make sense assets wise as they are flush with offense and we have a strong goaltending pipeline, but the battle between Quick and Bernier isn't over, and Lombardi made developing that position the #1 priority when he first came here. I think he would rather drive the assets into the ground and go down with the ship than get rid of a goaltender right now just because.
Bernier started off shaky as a backup and then toward the end of the year he really turned it on and started looking like the Bernier from the AHL last year. Quick played terrific for us, sometimes lights out, and sometimes not so great, but that, of course, happens to all goaltenders especially ones playing most of the time. The battle just isn't over. Quick has a strong grip on the spot, but it is still anyone's ballgame. It only takes one bad month by Quick and one lights-out month by Bernier and suddenly the tables have turned. This is a decision he can't afford to be wrong on, we must take the better of the two. Honestly, did Lombardi make the right decision in San Jose? Kipper is still playing extremely well with Calgary, and where is Nabokov? ... Let's wait and see.
Can't tell you how strongly I agree with this sentiment. I think if nothing else Dean learns from prior experience. I don't think either goaltender will be moving on until there is a clear cut winner, or Dean receives a deal for one of them that just is impossible to turn down (not likely).
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I agree with the sentiment of Telos's post as well, and in fact when DL initially came to LA, one of the first things he talked about was developing a #1 goaltender from with in. Thus, I think it's highly unlikely he would move one of JB/JQ anytime soon.
But that said, if an opportunity to land a young, up and coming 1st line/franchise forward presents itself, and the team you're dealing with wants one of JB/JQ, AND you could adequately replace the traded goaltender via free agency, you do the deal.
Opportunity doesn't always arise when it's convenient, but that doesn't mean you don't take advantage of it.
What do you guys think will happen to Voynov? There's NO way Martinez will be sent back down, and Mitchell has a year left on his contract. Once that contract expires, he obviously won't be re-signed and Voynov will step in. But for this year, will he be the seventh defensemen, spend another year in Manchester (even though he's 100% nhl ready and doesn't need it), or will he bolt to the KHL? Personally, I think he'll make the roster and be the Kings seventh defensemen and occasionally step in for A-Mart from time to time. What do you guys think? He's an exceptional talent after all...
If he is smart he will be in the gym right now. Pushing himself harder than ever. Then he will battle, Muzzin and Hickey (who both should also be at the gym) for that available 7th Dman position. Who ever is more ready claims their prize. The rest go back east. Then a trade will be made including one of the manchester D before their stock drops further.
What do you guys think will happen to Voynov? There's NO way Martinez will be sent back down, and Mitchell has a year left on his contract. Once that contract expires, he obviously won't be re-signed and Voynov will step in. But for this year, will he be the seventh defensemen, spend another year in Manchester (even though he's 100% nhl ready and doesn't need it), or will he bolt to the KHL? Personally, I think he'll make the roster and be the Kings seventh defensemen and occasionally step in for A-Mart from time to time. What do you guys think? He's an exceptional talent after all...
Didn't he say something about going to Russia if he doesn't make the team next year.
I think richards is a pipedream that isnt realistic If I was dean id be talking to New jersy about pairse and when they say hes not being traded. I would turn my attension to Jussi Jokinen. He has speed had chemistry with kopi in a all star game ( ok it was like 5 or more years ago but still some chemistry) He would also give the kings another option in a shootouts. I would love to see what a year with him would do . Should they not get him i would goto Curtis glenncross he seems like a good option for a realitively cheep replacement for poni with pontential to score 20-25 goals.With the way tm juggles the lines he ll get a chance to play on the pp and frist line with kopitar. Also would be interested in Dury should he be bought out by the rangers but at a greatly reduced price. Should Shane Doan want out of the coyatoes i would offer up simmons and moller for him and move Brown down to the 3rd line.
$14 million invested between Smyth, Penner and Stoll is just really really bad cap management. It hurts my eyes just looking at it.
Thank god these three contracts are off the books after next season. But again, don't expect much from the Kings July 1st.
The only possibility is if they sign Richards then Schenn for sure starts in Manchester and Stoll is gone for a prospect..
They could also move Greene's rather large contract, but replacing Greene with Voynov goes against Lombardi's theory that you need three puck movers and three stay at home guys.
Smyth has to go.... no if's or when's
Parse will fill this gap for cheap.
If Smyth isn't willing to go back to Edmonton, there is always a free spot on the press bench.
That would look awsome at the end of your carreer.
I think richards is a pipedream that isnt realistic If I was dean id be talking to New jersy about pairse and when they say hes not being traded. I would turn my attension to Jussi Jokinen. He has speed had chemistry with kopi in a all star game ( ok it was like 5 or more years ago but still some chemistry) He would also give the kings another option in a shootouts. I would love to see what a year with him would do . Should they not get him i would goto Curtis glenncross he seems like a good option for a realitively cheep replacement for poni with pontential to score 20-25 goals.With the way tm juggles the lines he ll get a chance to play on the pp and frist line with kopitar. Also would be interested in Dury should he be bought out by the rangers but at a greatly reduced price. Should Shane Doan want out of the coyatoes i would offer up simmons and moller for him and move Brown down to the 3rd line.
Moving a 30 goal scorer down to the 3rd line and replace him with a 20 goal scorer sounds like the usual Kings game plan
Also, I don't see the Kings moving Smyth. Why would he waive his NTC from an playoff team to go to the last place team? He will finish his contract out in LA.
Also, I don't see the Kings moving Smyth. Why would he waive his NTC from an playoff team to go to the last place team? He will finish his contract out in LA.
Because we can threaten to buy him out. Pro Sports is a business, often a cruel one. Ryan Smyth has been a great player, a warrior and has a lot of intangibles that may be difficult to replace. But, the fact of the matter is, as long as we carry his cap hit, we do not have the room to bring in elite game changing talent.
Because we can threaten to buy him out. Pro Sports is a business, often a cruel one. Ryan Smyth has been a great player, a warrior and has a lot of intangibles that may be difficult to replace. But, the fact of the matter is, as long as we carry his cap hit, we do not have the room to bring in elite game changing talent.
They can still sign elite level talent and exceed the cap by a certain percentage, so long as they are below the cap by the start of the season. With or without Smyth, the Kings won't be adding any elite talent this summer.
They can still sign elite level talent and exceed the cap by a certain percentage, so long as they are below the cap by the start of the season. With or without Smyth, the Kings won't be adding any elite talent this summer.
I don´t think there will be any changes. Defense and goaltending were very good so no need to change. Fowards were the problem but the 1st line was working well until Kopi got injured. Smyth played himself to the last year of the contract during the playoffs and he could be better with Schenn or Loki cetering the 2nd line. the 3rd line is great and could be even better with Stoll on it.
2011-2012
Penner - Kopi - Williams
Smyth/Parse - Schenn/Loki/Stoll - Brown
Clifford - Schenn/Loki/Stoll/Richardson/Lewis - Simmonds
Smyth/Parse - Schenn/Loki/Richardson/Lewis - Richardson/Lewis/Westgarth
I like all the options we have there. A lot of people will complain about having a 6.5m 4th line LW (playing in the PP), but it´s compesated with a 900k 2nd line LW. We give this team on more chance and if they don´t suceed we will have a number of roster spots to fill with a lot of cap space to work on it.
2012-2013
OS - Kopi - Williams
OS - Schenn/Loki - Brown
Clifford - Rich - Simmonds
OS - Lewis - OS
By then most of those guys would have two or three years fo PO experience and it would be easier to fill the roles. Parise could be a UFA in 2012 (if he signs a one year deal this offseason). Our goalie situation would be the same. Mitchell would be the only D UFA (it would be easy to resign him).
Are you not familiar with teams that were in excess of the upper limit in the past? They ended up complying with some maneuvering, as we saw with Chicago last summer.
And what are you willing to wager on? That the Kings will move Smyth or bring in some elite talent, because neither one will happen this summer.
They can still sign elite level talent and exceed the cap by a certain percentage, so long as they are below the cap by the start of the season. With or without Smyth, the Kings won't be adding any elite talent this summer.
Agreed. Why should they?
Take away Handzus and Poni and add Parse and one of Loktionov or Schenn and you just filled the two holes.
Are you not familiar with teams that were in excess of the upper limit in the past? They ended up complying with some maneuvering, as we saw with Chicago last summer.
And what are you willing to wager on? That the Kings will move Smyth or bring in some elite talent, because neither one will happen this summer.
They can still sign elite level talent and exceed the cap by a certain percentage, so long as they are below the cap by the start of the season. With or without Smyth, the Kings won't be adding any elite talent this summer.
I'm sure he's known about it for months. He's not going to get into a bidding contest against the Rangers and Leafs over the only elite player in this year's class of UFAs. Neither do I think Parise is available as much as we all would love to think he may be.
I'm sure he's known about it for months. He's not going to get into a bidding contest against the Rangers and Leafs over the only elite player in this year's class of UFAs. Neither do I think Parise is available as much as we all would love to think he may be.
Why do you think that?
If anything, I think DL learned from last year's Kovy situation and he just may outbid to land that elusive 1a or 1b center in Richards.
DL was fairly aggressive last year and I think the trend would be to get more aggressive. And if we don't land a Richards, I think trades are an option. I just wouldn't rule anything out. Especially, this early.
Last year, there were only two teams bidding for Kovalchuk. This year, there will be more than just two teams who will be trying to court Brad Richards.
As for trade options, I just don't see what realistic options are out there. Maybe Hemsky, but as we witnessed with the Oilers demands, it isn't going to be easy to land elite talent. If it was, Lombardi still wouldn't be in the market for one.
It baffles me how all of you nerfherders are assuming we can ditch Smyth and his brutal salary cap.
Losing Stoll for that one game in the playoffs exposed just how important Stoll is. Not per say as a 2nd line center, but as a 3rd line center. A player like Stoll is what Stanley Cup team's have in common (minus the irony of being able to pick the corner in the shootout but unable to hit the net on the PP...)
With regards to Penner, what team is gonna want him after the post season that he had?
Trade Greener? Ya, he took a few too many dumb penalties in the playoffs but that guy is a tough as nails 5/6 defenseman, leader in the locker room, and leaves everything on the ice every night.
Ya'll are crazy. DL will make a move or two, but we ain't moving our so-called vets for some younger kids when we're one of the youngest teams in the NHL. And if we don't resign Zus and Schenn makes it harder for DL to keep him off the roster, we're gettin' younger folks!
